Honestly, I'd be just fine if we passed on Andreychuk...I know the totals came out with all the shimmer of an aluminum foil roll's bachelor party, but the substance is a little bit thin really...also, not microwave safe...
I seriously don't get the Andreychuk love. I guess scoring 1 playoff goal as captain of a cup winner, being Gilmour's lackey and not scoring over 40 points in your last 7 seasons in the NHL is a good thing now
I seriously don't get the Andreychuk love. I guess scoring 1 playoff goal as captain of a cup winner, being Gilmour's lackey and not scoring over 40 points in your last 7 seasons in the NHL is a good thing now
It's just stat-tation without representation...no context, no understanding really. The only thing I'll say is that at least Andreychuk's one moment that we remember him for (raising the Cup in 2004) is better than, say, another compiler they just let in...
Pat Burns absolutely should get in, but I doubt he does.
...So I don't expect Burns to get in any time soon, which is a travesty.
With full respect to the emotions of Burns' final years and the push for him to be inducted, he just isn't a "builder" of the sport. Some other coaches (Shero) you could make a case they pioneered new horizons in coaching and training; Burns was "just" a very good coach.
If there was a coaches' wing he'd be in already, but there's not... and I'm not saying this to diminish him, but I can't see it as a "travesty" that he didn't get into a category where he doesn't belong.
With full respect to the emotions of Burns' final years and the push for him to be inducted, he just isn't a "builder" of the sport. Some other coaches (Shero) you could make a case they pioneered new horizons in coaching and training; Burns was "just" a very good coach.
If there was a coaches' wing he'd be in already, but there's not... and I'm not saying this to diminish him, but I can't see it as a "travesty" that he didn't get into a category where he doesn't belong.
What I feel is a travesty is that one of the most decorated coaches of the modern era won't get HHoF recognition because he passed away before he could get administrative credentials. But that's just my opinion.
Praying Brind'amour gets in. Highly doubt it, though.
When you look back at his career, he really looks like one of the better two way forwards to ever play in the NHL. I'd love to see him make it, but I don't think he makes the cut this year with all the other names on that list vying for the 4th spot (Presuming Shanahan, Neidermayer, and Chelios for the first three).
If I had to pick more I'd say Fluery and Carbonneau. Carb was amazing at what he did. Got the Selkes and the cups to prove it.
Fluery was the heart and soul of the Calgary flames and is one if their best forwards if not THE best forward in team history. Granted, he was one of my favorite players growing up....so that's why I'd like to see him in. Definite favouritism here. I'd be satisfied if Calgary retired his jersey, the fact that they haven't is shameful.
I don't know about Lindros. I guess if Cam Neely made it in with his short career, then Lindros should as well.
Are you telling me that Gary Roberts or Guerin or Brind'Amour or Andrechyuk were "average" or even decent? No, they were all pretty great players...okay maybe Andrechyuk/Roberts are debatable since they was never really elite all-stars unlike the others who all were at some point for multiple seasons. Are you saying that Lindros and Fleury weren't unique players in terms of what they did (with their size and style of play)?
But at the same time, the longetivity and career production longetivity of Andrechyuk or Guerin or Brind'Amour is damn impressive and that alone should get them in. You also can't use the 4 per year argument because the amount of stars that retire per year fluctuates of course. I think it's ridiculous that there's a set number. There should be a 4 minimum and 6 or 7 maximum because in some years you have more than that worthy of getting in but they never do get in because they keep getting pushed back or forgotten (Makarov being a good case of that).
Let's not forget that it's the hall of fame, all those players above were "famous" for long periods of time and are notable marks in NHL history.
Are you telling me that Gary Roberts or Guerin or Brind'Amour or Andrechyuk were "average" or even decent? No, they were all pretty great players...okay maybe Andrechyuk/Roberts are debatable since they was never really elite all-stars unlike the others who all were at some point for multiple seasons. Are you saying that Lindros and Fleury weren't unique players in terms of what they did (with their size and style of play)?
But at the same time, the longetivity and career production longetivity of Andrechyuk or Guerin or Brind'Amour is damn impressive and that alone should get them in. You also can't use the 4 per year argument because the amount of stars that retire per year fluctuates of course. I think it's ridiculous that there's a set number. There should be a 4 minimum and 6 or 7 maximum because in some years you have more than that worthy of getting in but they never do get in because they keep getting pushed back or forgotten (Makarov being a good case of that).
Let's not forget that it's the hall of fame, all those players above were "famous" for long periods of time and are notable marks in NHL history.
It all depends on your standards of what the Hall of Fame are. I personally think that you have to be pretty incredible to make it in. I don't think that every Tom, Dick and Harry that gets a thousand points should be inducted.
I seriously don't get the Andreychuk love. I guess scoring 1 playoff goal as captain of a cup winner, being Gilmour's lackey and not scoring over 40 points in your last 7 seasons in the NHL is a good thing now
I see you have conveniently left out the first 9 years of his career. You know, the best ones. I don`t see how adjusting from being a scorer in one`s prime to being a role player as a veteran is a negative. The dude played for over 20 years. Over 600 career goals, almost 700 career assists. Those numbers alone scream HOF.
I don't know about that. He's not the first hockey player to have problems with substance abuse...and he won't be the last.
But today`s day in age that sort of stuff is a lot more of a taboo. Plus, his issues were bad enough that he was literally tossed from the league for a while. His career has more than enough black marks to keep him out of the HOF. Not that he wasn`t a great player.
Andrechyuk, Blake, Brind'Amour, Chelios, Fleury, Guerin, Housley, Kariya, LeClair, Lindros, Naslund, Niedermayer, Roberts, Roenick, Shanahan, and Tkachuk should be inducted. **** the 4 player max rule, Cooney Weiland is in the HOF, he had one good season so you can't say that those guys above don't deserve it, all had great seasons and were game's stars in the 90s and early 00s.
Over the course of his career, Cooney Weiland was sixth in league scoring. By comparison, Guy Lafleur was 4th during his career.
During his career, Weiland scored in the same range as guys like Howie Morenz, Marty Barry, Hooley Smith, Herbie Lewis, and Aurele Joliat. He was legitimately one of the best of his era.
A lot of the guys you mentioned above... shouldn't be mentioned. Brind'Amour, Roberts, and Guerin are automatic nos. They were first-line players for part of their career. They were never star players. Andreychuk probably belongs with that group a well, despite his goal total. He only posted those numbers due to career length. Kariya just missed the 1000 point mark due to injuries, but Bure proved last year that it's not necessary if you were truly a great player in the 90s. Which Kariya was. Lindros also should follow for that reason. Shanahan, Tkachuk, and Leclair all dominated the LW during their careers (with much better overall game than Andreychuk's) and should get in. Chelios is a no-brainer inductee. Blake and Niedermayer have both won the Norris, and IIRC no defenseman has ever been named the best at his position and not been named to the Hall. Housley is a more borderline case, because while he had a couple of very good years, he wasn't among the league' elite defensemen during a period which we will see/have seen the following HHOFers: Bourque, Coffey, Stevens, MacInnis, Leetch, Chelios, Howe, Lidstrom, Blake, Niedermayer, Pronger. But it's hard to make the argument that you belong in the Hall if there are at least 11 guys above you in the pecking order from your era. Fleury and Roenick were absolutely elite forwards in their prime, as was Naslund in his.
Finally, induct Sergei Makarov already. Konstantinov, with his unfortunately short NHL career but tacking on his international resume, also may qualify.
Finally, induct Sergei Makarov already. Konstantinov, with his unfortunately short NHL career but tacking on his international resume, also may qualify.
As a Flyers fan, there's no way LeClair is IN before Brind'amour. No way.
I see you have conveniently left out the first 9 years of his career. You know, the best ones. I don`t see how adjusting from being a scorer in one`s prime to being a role player as a veteran is a negative. The dude played for over 20 years. Over 600 career goals, almost 700 career assists. Those numbers alone scream HOF.
Scoring 600 goals, while finishing in the top ten in goals only twice (and only once for GPG), and only one top-ten point finish; that is the mark of a compiler. Andreychuk was never an elite player and does not belong in the HHOF. Ciccarelli only had two top-ten goals seasons, but he also had two 100-point years - both top-ten in the NHL. Not to mention that Ciccarelli scored about 1 PPG while Andreychuk was well below. Mike Gartner had five top-ten finishes in goals, as well as scoring 30+ in his first 15 seasons and in 17 of his 19 total. Even if he cores the minimum - 30 - in those seasons, he still hits 510 in those 17 seasons. Andreychuk only managed 30 goals nine times.
Is my guess. I think Lindros should be in there, but I'll guess he will have to wait. I hope my all time favourite Paul Kariya will make it eventually, too. Five all star selections isn't bad, LW or not.
I'd say Chelios and Shanahan are pretty much given. (If there is not some other reason for Shanahan to not get in) Niedermayer should get in and he might, but there is a chance that Fedorov goes before him. Or am i the only one thinking this?
Kariya, as much as i would like him to get in, i am not sure he will. Maybe throw him in at the same year Selanne gets his nomination?'
Edit: Nevermind, total brainfart. Fedorov was playing last season.
As a Flyers fan, there's no way LeClair is IN before Brind'amour. No way.
LeClair was the best LW in the NHL for a period of a few years. Brind'Amour was a pretty good player at C and LW. He was never anywhere near the best at either.
