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11-07-2012, 03:47 PM
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Because Hall is better.
Maybe right now but really this is based on "potential".


To generalize I will always take the guy who can be a first line center over the guy who can be a first line winger.

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11-07-2012, 03:52 PM
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This proposal is just useless. All of this hypothetical BS... Leaf fans need to wait until we have something of substance to trade.

Its already understood that leaf fans and Oiler fans dont get along on the trade forum so why propose this junk. Sorry Oilers fans..

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11-07-2012, 04:16 PM
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If TO has the 2nd over all why not just draft Barkov and you have the big number 1 centreman that the team has needed for so long. A 1st round pick and Hall for the 2nd over all pick. Are you crazy, that is a deal only Burkie would do. That is pretty much what Burkie gave up for Kessell, we are not making the same dumb mistake.

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11-07-2012, 04:59 PM
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Why on earth would Edmonton want to trade Hall?

Oh my god I think i just had an aneurism... I think this post just placed a black hole in the middle of my head...save me... nooooo I'm melting... blablabla...

Seriously. I wouldn't trade Hall for first overall.

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11-07-2012, 09:15 PM
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Would you be willing to trade down in the draft to select between 10-15 and acquire Taylor Hall in return for that second overall pick +?

Trade Proposal:
Toronto Maple Leafs trade:
2nd overall pick +

Edmonton Oilers trade:
10-15th overall pick
Taylor Hall
How did the Oilers 1st rounder drop to the 10-15 range?


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11-07-2012, 09:19 PM
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I'm sure this has been covered throughout all the pages... but really? What kind of offer is this?

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11-07-2012, 10:11 PM
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How do you figure the Leafs will have the 2nd pick overall.

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11-07-2012, 10:21 PM
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Value is bad for oilers, but why would the leafs trade for a winger? Wouldn't you guys go after/draft a centre?

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11-07-2012, 10:27 PM
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11-07-2012, 10:30 PM
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To be fair, the OP did say it was contingent on a lot of "if's" and assumptions, ha.

That being said, Hall is the emotional leader on this team, and is the spark plug o the entire offense, so he is obviously going nowhere.

I would think if the Leafs had that pick they would be ecstatic taking Jones or moving down to find a centre in Barkov or Monahan.

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11-07-2012, 10:31 PM
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you add JVR.

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11-07-2012, 10:46 PM
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This doesn't make sense from a Leafs perspective. As you said, our greatest need is at the center position and there will be plenty to choose from at 2nd overall. Considering our needs, the 2013 2nd overall is more valuable to the Leafs than Hall...imho of course. This would be like getting Kessel all over again, when we could have gotten Sequin who better fills a need.
but wait! you broke the rule of HF...as Oiler fans have found out with every thread regarding Yakupov or another young Oiler player being traded for Yandle or Ekman-Larsson or what have you, and the subsequent arguments that follow, you can NEVER say that an "unproven" pick is more valuable than a "proven" NHLer like Hall. yes, he's had injuries, but 27 goals in just 61 games would say that Hall is definitely more valuable.

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11-07-2012, 10:49 PM
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This doesn't make sense from a Leafs perspective. As you said, our greatest need is at the center position and there will be plenty to choose from at 2nd overall. Considering our needs, the 2012 2nd overall is more valuable to the Leafs than Hall...imho of course. This would be like getting Kessel all over again, when we could have gotten Sequin who better fills a need.
This is the kind of post that make Leafs proposals amazing

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11-07-2012, 10:57 PM
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Value is terrible for Oilers, but I'd rather move down 1-2 spots to get Monahan+Assets. Drafting Sean would shut Cherry up.. '

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11-07-2012, 11:19 PM
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Would you be willing to trade down in the draft to select between 10-15 and acquire Taylor Hall in return for that second overall pick +?

Trade Proposal:
Toronto Maple Leafs trade:
2nd overall pick +

Edmonton Oilers trade:
10-15th overall pick
Taylor Hall
How did the Oilers 1st rounder drop to the 10-15 range?
Well, IF we lose the entire season, its likely that the Oilers pick much lower than that, should the league do the draft the way they did last time. They started every team with 5 (I think) lottery balls, and took one away (up to 4) for every playoff appearance or first overall pick. So the Oilers would only have 2 of 5 balls in, where the Leafs, Columbus, the Islanders and other annual playoff misses will have 5 of 5. So, the Leafs COULD end up with 2nd overall quite realistically, and the Oilers COULD end up low. But why we are speculating at these picks right now is ridiculous


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11-07-2012, 11:20 PM
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but wait! you broke the rule of HF...as Oiler fans have found out with every thread regarding Yakupov or another young Oiler player being traded for Yandle or Ekman-Larsson or what have you, and the subsequent arguments that follow, you can NEVER say that an "unproven" pick is more valuable than a "proven" NHLer like Hall. yes, he's had injuries, but 27 goals in just 61 games would say that Hall is definitely more valuable.
Exactly, so lets let Tambellini do Burke a favor and offer up the proven Horcoff for the unproven first overall pick from the Leafs.

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11-07-2012, 11:51 PM
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Lol Oilers are getting hosed in this...a developed 1st overall pick (Hall) + 15th overall for the 2nd oa? Pretty sure they'll pass on this

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11-08-2012, 07:33 AM
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Bear with me here, but my proposal is contingent on a lot of 'ifs'

If the complete season is lost to a lockout and the Leafs are awarded with the second overall pick, would you target the Edmonton Oilers as a trade partner?

Some would jump at the opportunity to draft a defender like Seth Jones. He along with Rielly would make our defensive core among the leagues best. However, we have a glaring need at the forward position, specifically center.

Would you be willing to trade down in the draft to select between 10-15 and acquire Taylor Hall in return for that second overall pick +?

Trade Proposal:
Toronto Maple Leafs trade:
2nd overall pick +

Edmonton Oilers trade:
10-15th overall pick
Taylor Hall

I chose Taylor Hall in particular as I feel Edmonton would be willing to give him up before RNH, Yakupov and Eberle. I find it difficult for the Oilers to sign all these top young forwards with a limited defensive core aside from Schultz. As for Taylor Hall, he could easily move to center Phil Kessel and perhaps Lupul. This would make our top 6 look like:
LUPUL-HALL-KESSEL
JVR-GRABO-KULEMIN

Now tell me that doesn't look sexy. Get er' done Burkie


As Oiler fans, what would the Leafs need to include in the deal in order for this deal to happen? Would you personally make this deal?

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11-08-2012, 07:43 AM
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In terms of value Gardiner actually sounds about right as the missing link to this deal.

If you break it down, Hall is worth slightly more than Jones, and Gardiner is likely worth slightly more than the Oilers pick if it's 10-15 range...doesn't make much sense from either side in terms of needs imho but the value seems about right, huh?

Hall > 2nd overall
10-15 overall < Gardiner

Edm would potentially have an elite top 4 defense core, while still having Yakupov, Eberle, RNH up front...
But if they got Gardiner , They would or should add a second line center with size and a good two way game

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11-08-2012, 08:10 AM
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Exactly, so lets let Tambellini do Burke a favor and offer up the proven Horcoff for the unproven first overall pick from the Leafs.
wait! now the Leafs get 1st overall?? but...but how??

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11-08-2012, 09:18 AM
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This is the kind of post that make Leafs proposals amazing
Mackinnon, Barkov, Monahan hold more value to the Leafs than Hall.

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11-08-2012, 09:44 AM
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We can keep all four happily, so we pass and laugh at you silly leaf fans hoping for something valuable for all your terrible play.
Kettle, meet pot.

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wait! now the Leafs get 1st overall?? but...but how??
Typo, but if we lose the entire season and the draft lottery is done the same as last time, the Leafs do have the best chance at winning the thing.

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Mackinnon, Barkov, Monahan hold more value to the Leafs than Hall.
Don't be silly. Saying outlandish things just to try to make a point makes you look dumb. Like if I were to say "the Oilers would rather have Curtis Lazar than Jake Gardiner", you'd think I was a moron.

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So somehow the difference between the #2 overall and a #10-15 overall is a former #1 overall? We desperately need logic classes in our school system.

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