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11-08-2012, 09:42 AM
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To Boston
Taylor Hall
Nail Yakupov



To Edmonton
Dougie Hamilton
Tyler Seguin
Boston would have to add.



...this is why I rarely come to the main trade board.
who would be asking for this trade anyway? would Peter Chiarelli be calling Edmonton?, I don't think Tambellini would be on the horn to Boston about this...
why?,just why would this get proposed?
Hall>Seguin, and Yakupov would get you more than Hamilton.

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11-08-2012, 09:42 AM
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wow.... can we just start hockey..
pointless proposal that has 0% chance of actually happening.

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11-08-2012, 09:44 AM
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Pretty fair trade. It's nice to see someone understand you have to give talent in order to get talent. I still think for reasons stated above both teams say no.

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11-08-2012, 09:49 AM
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Boston would have to add.
...this is why I rarely come to the main trade board.
who would be asking for this trade anyway? would Peter Chiarelli be calling Edmonton?, I don't think Tambellini would be on the horn to Boston about this...
why?,just why would this get proposed?
Hall>Seguin, and Yakupov would get you more than Hamilton.
See, this is where the dots don't always get connected in the correct manner. Seguin>Hall, and Hamilton< > Yakupov tradeoff. Chiarelli would not be accepting the collect call on this one.

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11-08-2012, 09:57 AM
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See, this is where the dots don't always get connected in the correct manner. Seguin>Hall, and Hamilton< > Yakupov tradeoff. Chiarelli would not be accepting the collect call on this one.
I don't think this is a black and white thing tho. Hamilton is worth far more to us than Yakupov would be, we already have Seguin, and no top four D prospects after Hamilton.
Hall/Yakupov would be fantastic, but not a chance I trade Seguin for Hall, and I most likely wouldnt trade Hamilton for Yakupov.

Compared to the rest of the league I think Seguin > Hall and Yakupov > Hamilton value wise, but I think its close in both instances. Boston doesnt touch this deal tho, makes no sense with our organizational depth as it is.

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11-08-2012, 10:04 AM
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I don't think this is a black and white thing tho. Hamilton is worth far more to us than Yakupov would be, we already have Seguin, and no top four D prospects after Hamilton.
Hall/Yakupov would be fantastic, but not a chance I trade Seguin for Hall, and I most likely wouldnt trade Hamilton for Yakupov.

Compared to the rest of the league I think Seguin > Hall and Yakupov > Hamilton value wise, but I think its close in both instances. Boston doesnt touch this deal tho, makes no sense with our organizational depth as it is.
You know...deep down inside, you would do that in a heartbeat.

Thread is getting ridiculous!!!

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11-08-2012, 10:10 AM
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You know...deep down inside, you would do that in a heartbeat.

Thread is getting ridiculous!!!
Everyone knows Yakupov has more value, but it is debatable if Boston takes that swap. We have no other highend D prospects. Dougie is much more needed than Yakupov.

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11-08-2012, 10:10 AM
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Excuse me?!?!?!?

Edmonton gives up their backbone and the best sniper they've had since before half of them members on these boards were ever born?!?!

OK, show me a proven #1 d-man, Hanzal and Luongo and I won't laugh.

No, really. I AM drunk right now... so I really can't see the humor or sarcasm in this post.

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11-08-2012, 10:17 AM
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Everyone knows Yakupov has more value, but it is debatable if Boston takes that swap. We have no other highend D prospects. Dougie is much more needed than Yakupov.
That would be the case only if you believe that offence presents more value than defense. In this case, both Hamilton & Yakupov are franchise-level prospects.

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11-08-2012, 10:41 AM
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Hmm I think Boston would say no and Edmonton would say yes...

Centres/D are worth more than wingers. Edmonton also happens to need another top 6 C and a top pairing D, so it would give them exactly what they need.
If that were true then why were Hall and Yakupov taken number 1 overall while the other guys weren't?

You know what the most valuable thing in terms of prospects is? Goal scoring. You can't teach that. You can teach guys to play defense though, but you just can't teach that natural goal scoring ability. That's why the goalscorers generally go first on draft day, and defensemen can come from just about anywhere in the draft.

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11-08-2012, 10:45 AM
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You know...deep down inside, you would do that in a heartbeat.

Thread is getting ridiculous!!!
Absolutely would not. I value Seguin more than Hall, and am very high on Hamilton.

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11-08-2012, 10:47 AM
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If that were true then why were Hall and Yakupov taken number 1 overall while the other guys weren't?

You know what the most valuable thing in terms of prospects is? Goal scoring. You can't teach that. You can teach guys to play defense though, but you just can't teach that natural goal scoring ability. That's why the goalscorers generally go first on draft day, and defensemen can come from just about anywhere in the draft.
So Erik Johnson is more valuable than Jonathan Toews?

Comes down to who is more valuable to the Bruins right now, and Hamilton is worth more than Yakupov would be.

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11-08-2012, 11:05 AM
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Hmm I think Boston would say no and Edmonton would say yes...

Centres/D are worth more than wingers. Edmonton also happens to need another top 6 C and a top pairing D, so it would give them exactly what they need.

I also don't think there are any huge discrepencies potential wise in this trade. If Hall becomes something like Nash/Iginla and Hamilton becomes something like Weber/Chara... I'll take the Weber/Chara. Same goes for Ovechkin-lite vs PPG well rounded centreman.

Not to mention Edm would STILL have Eberle has an arguable franchise winger to go along with RNH/Seguin up front. Gives them a much more balanced line-up with high potential pieces in really important positions.

It's funny because seguin has never played center in the NHL. Also hall is a better player and was taken ahead of seguin 2 years ago and I doubt Edmonton regrets it, just wait until hall plays a full season. Yakupov for Hamilton is laughable, yakupov is the best prospect in the world, and Hamilton is great but not quite on yakupovs level.

Your second last paragraph was just purely dumb.

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11-08-2012, 11:38 AM
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See, this is where the dots don't always get connected in the correct manner. Seguin>Hall, and Hamilton< > Yakupov tradeoff. Chiarelli would not be accepting the collect call on this one.
Chiarelli would be making the call to make this deal...not the other way around
take a step back and think about it....why would Tambellini make a call when he already chose Hall ahead of Seguin?, and throw in Yak to get a D-man, even if it may be Hamilton, ..Yak would get more back then that.
you may not agree, but sorry it's true. connect the dots , as you say, and it will come clear for you.
i'm here to help.

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11-08-2012, 11:48 AM
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Edmonton says no quite easily.

Hall = Seguin (look at the career stats, overall OR rate before you come to premature conclusions)
Yakupov > Hamilton

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I don't see either team doing this. Hall is already a huge part of this team, and we already passed on Seguin, both players are going to be good. One's an Oiler, one's a Bruin, move on. So really the question is...

Yakupov

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Hamilton

It's a forward for a dman... I like Hamilton a lot, I see him as a lot like Alex Pietrangelo, but not proven yet. Just like Yakupov is unproven, he also fits a need in Edmonton, a sniper. This team hasn't had a 40 goal scorer in over 20 years. Yak may be that guy. Both players are going to be real good, but I like Edmonton's D core going forward...

Top 4

J. Schultz
O. Klefbom
L. Smid
J. Petry

I like that D, it has a little of everything, it's obviously a little to tell, but I think Edmonton is going to be fine when it comes to their D.

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11-08-2012, 11:59 AM
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You guys are silly. Yakupov is the top prospect in hockey.

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11-08-2012, 12:02 PM
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Lets assume Hall and Seguin are a wash. Is there anyone out there that would take Hamilton ahead of Yakupov at this point?

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Hamilton would instantly become the rock on Edmonton's blueline for the next decade +

Seguin would challenge Nugent-Hopkins for top line center. Seguin has been spoon fed icetime gradually, still hasnt seen regular time on the 1st unit PP (didnt see any time on PP rookie year), & Julien rolls his lines fairly evenly, while preaching 'back-check' to his forwards in an ultra-defensive system. Seguin has yet to be unleashed offensively as the young Oiler forwards have in Edm.

Hall is a dynamic player, he also represents a new beginning for the Oilers, drafted #1 overall, it's sill to even put his name in a trade proposal. Same for Seguin, same for Yak, same for Dougie,, all these kids represent too much to their respective teams.

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Lets assume Hall and Seguin are a wash. Is there anyone out there that would take Hamilton ahead of Yakupov at this point?
That depends on your teams needs. Boston for example, who has Lucic Horton Seguin & Marchand on its wings, perhaps would prefer Hamilton to Yak because they have no top-end defensive depth in their system. Therefore Hamilton fills a huge Organizational need..whereas despite Yakupovs talent, Boston is ok at wing.

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That depends on your teams needs. Boston for example, who has Lucic Horton Seguin & Marchand on its wings, perhaps would prefer Hamilton to Yak because they have no top-end defensive depth in their system. Therefore Hamilton fills a huge Organizational need..whereas despite Yakupovs talent, Boston is ok at wing.
Forget team needs. People often preach drafting BPA, let's use that approach.

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Big no from boston. Injury prone & unproven wingers aren't what boston needs. Their current poster boy & the top d prospect in the world are what they need. And yes, i will wait until hall plays a fulk season. Others might be waiting a while too.
Roll your eyes elsewhere. Boston doesn't accept this deal at all.

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Forget team needs. People often preach drafting BPA, let's use that approach.
Umm this is a trade proposal thread, not a draft thread. Teams 'trade' for needs, not BPA

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See, this is where the dots don't always get connected in the correct manner. Seguin>Hall, and Hamilton< > Yakupov tradeoff. Chiarelli would not be accepting the collect call on this one.
more like Hall <> Seguin. i don't think one has developed beyond the other so far in their careers, Hall has just been injured....no injury last year, Hall gets many more goals and perhaps a few more points than Seguin.

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EDM is not going to trade any of the following players Hall, Eberle, RNH, Yak, Schultz, and Klefbom.

The player that would interest me in BOS would be Krejci as he would be the perfect 2C for out team. Does EDM have the assets to get Krejci. I am thinking of a package of the following players:
Hemsky- Yes he has an injury history but did get the surgery done and is playing over seas healthy and producing at a high rate. He would be a very nice addition in BOS as BOS does not have a winger of his caliber.

Gagner- He would make a very nice 2C behind Bergeron and allow Seguin to continue to develop on the wing and give your team more depth.

Prospects and picks - EDM is very deep in prospects that might interest BOS; Marincin, Gernat, Lander, Pitlick, PRV to mention a few.

I would be willing to over pay for Krejci as it would fill a big need for our team.

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