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11-08-2012, 07:49 PM
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Question Glendale/AZ folks, how easy or hard is it to fire the City Manager? Some government jobs you serve at the pleasure of someone and can be fired at any point and others there is a process. It varies depending on if its federal, state, and local and it depends on which state or municipality it is.

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11-08-2012, 07:51 PM
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How do you foresee this playing out, Killion?
... well, if its true that Jamisons' playing to the pro Arena Management Fee Councillors, a vote possible on November 27th and it does manage to pass, theres going to be Hell to pay. The voters approved the tax increase sure enough, afraid they'd lose basic services, major cutbacks in Fire & Police etc, but that vote shouldnt be misinterpreted as also approving $320M+ in payments to GJ.

The timing is also curious, as I believe thats American Thanksgiving is it not? A time when people have a lot of other things on their minds, a short break, time spent with family, travel. So lets say they put it on the Agenda on Friday the 23rd, or leave it late & release it on Monday the 26th, no warning, no time for people to rally, then hammer it through on the Tuesday night. I dont know what recourse the citizens nor the incoming Mayor & Council members might have.

I believe the Coyotes can succeed in Glendale, however, I dont believe the City of Glendale can survive under the terms of the Jamison agreement even with the approved tax increase.

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Just the fact that Jamison is meeting privately and separately with "pro-deal" council members makes this almost a certain debacle. What is he thinking?
agreed. if clark is being honest, that's a pretty strong indictment of GJ's character and the insanity of all of this.

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11-08-2012, 08:09 PM
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agreed. if clark is being honest, that's a pretty strong indictment of GJ's character and the insanity of all of this.
... it really is a new low. Duplicitous, sleazy. The voters have spoken. To have outbound Council members hijacking the democratic process in forcing through a $320M contract on their way out the door is beyond despicable.

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... well, if its true that Jamisons' playing to the pro Arena Management Fee Councillors, a vote possible on November 27th and it does manage to pass, theres going to be Hell to pay. The voters approved the tax increase sure enough, afraid they'd lose basic services, major cutbacks in Fire & Police etc, but that vote shouldnt be misinterpreted as also approving $320M+ in payments to GJ.

The timing is also curious, as I believe thats American Thanksgiving is it not? A time when people have a lot of other things on their minds, a short break, time spent with family, travel. So lets say they put it on the Agenda on Friday the 23rd, or leave it late & release it on Monday the 26th, no warning, no time for people to rally, then hammer it through on the Tuesday night. I dont know what recourse the citizens nor the incoming Mayor & Council members might have.

I believe the Coyotes can succeed in Glendale, however, I dont believe the City of Glendale can survive under the terms of the Jamison agreement even with the approved tax increase.
I agree with what you've written.

I can't help wondering; however, exactly what would prevent the cynical signing off on a $320 AMF by a city council in transit?

Unethical and outrageous it would be, but what would be in place to override the passing of the AMF prior to a the newly elected city council taking over in January?

Would Elaine Scruggs, as the outgoing mayor, be able to sandbag any such vote until the new mayor rides into town?

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This truly is disturbing.

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And another thing to note. They're doing this in full acknowledgement that Lieberman's seat lies vacant. Not that it matters, as it still would be a 4-3 vote if it were to go thru and if the Cactus Dist winner was able to be seated (something that also takes majority if I understand the City Charter correctly ) but it just adds to the layer of pond scum political tactics being displayed here.

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I can't help wondering; however, exactly what would prevent the cynical signing off on a $320 AMF by a city council in transit?.... Unethical and outrageous it would be, but what would be in place to override the passing of the AMF prior to the newly elected city council taking over in January?... Would Elaine Scruggs, as the outgoing mayor, be able to sandbag any such vote until the new mayor rides into town?
.... dont believe Scruggs could manage to pull that one off and Im guessing here, just shooting in the dark, but you'd have to figure the group behind the petition to have the tax increase included on the ballot earlier this week would act quickly & militantly in attempting to first stop the vote from even taking place. Perhaps try to seek an immediate injunction from the courts. I really dont know. But if a vote is held & it passes, that group and or the Goldwater Institute would Im quite certain be seeking to over-turn the agreement, filing suit on like the 28th of November.

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This truly is disturbing.
... it really is. Like I said earlier, just Gobsmacked at the beyond brazen temerity to even contemplate ramming this agreement through while the city is in a precarious & weakened state. Doubly so now as its in transition. Absolutely reeks!. The woman has absolutely no shame whatsoever. Acting like a Mortician "farming organs" from the dearly departed & selling them on the Black Market. Despicable.

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11-08-2012, 08:42 PM
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Council only has 3 more scheduled meetings. 11/13, 11/27, and 12/18. It shouldn't be too hard for someone to run out the clock on the next 40 days. If the new mayor tells Skeete "you want the job you kill this thing" he can simply not come to terms with Jamison.

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... it really is a new low. Duplicitous, sleazy. The voters have spoken. To have outbound Council members hijacking the democratic process in forcing through a $320M contract on their way out the door is beyond despicable.
I still believe GJ was in Glendale meeting with the TO but he must have had some contact with the pro Coyotes COG council members. All speculation.

This really does speak volumes of how the NHL is willing to do business as GJ is hand picked by L'ill Gary.

It should be interesting when the citizens of Glendale realize most of the tax hike is being earmarked for an AMF to keep the Coyotes in Arizona and pushed through by an exiting council.

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Council only has 3 more scheduled meetings. 11/13, 11/27, and 12/18. It shouldn't be too hard for someone to run out the clock on the next 40 days. If the new mayor tells Skeete "you want the job you kill this thing" he can simply not come to terms with Jamison.
I could be wrong but that sounds illegal. The new mayor is not sworn in until January 2013.

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If the new mayor tells Skeete "you want the job you kill this thing" he can simply not come to terms with Jamison.
Can't jerk with the City Manager though, as it too also takes a majority vote.

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11-08-2012, 09:22 PM
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I could be wrong but that sounds illegal. The new mayor is not sworn in until January 2013.
Well on this forum we are more blunt. He would have to say "Hey Haratio I haven't made any decisions on the City Manager job, I'm going to review everything after I take office. I am going to look at the candidates and see who is best suited to handle the challenges we have in front of us, for example if I have a $15 million fee that I have to pay the Coyotes thats another challenge I have to deal with and I will have to factor that in"

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I still believe GJ was in Glendale meeting with the TO but he must have had some contact with the pro Coyotes COG council members.
... confirmed by Clark that he did meet with pro AMF factions at City Hall. As for the Tohono's, Man, Im surely hoping our speculation on that ones correct. Make for a more than interesting reveal if it ever gets that far.

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I could be wrong but that sounds illegal. The new mayor is not sworn in until January 2013.
... I dont really know what to make of that suggestion, that the incoming Mayor somehow inserts himself into the still sitting Council's process in attempting to sandbag/subvert a vote through the offices of the interim City Manager. The intimation given that in doing so, "might go well for you in terms of your future here with the city Son". Strikes me as more an offer to participate in an "indictable" offence as opposed to "incentive" for the likes of Horatio Skeete nes pas?

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Is there a way this (possible) plan can be exposed more publicly and to all the new councillors be informed of the meetings/vote in advance?

Lets start an internet campaign and let the people of Glendale know - I hope the AZ Republic picks up on this in an expose.

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... confirmed by Clark that he did meet with pro AMF factions at City Hall. As for the Tohono's, Man, Im surely hoping our speculation on that ones correct. Make for a more than interesting reveal if it ever gets that far.


Martinez and Knaack must have felt like 3rd and 4th wheels during Joyce's lunch date with Greg.

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I still believe GJ was in Glendale meeting with the TO but he must have had some contact with the pro Coyotes COG council members. All speculation.
I'll give you that he could've possibly met with the Tribe. I'm beginning to believe that they do have some stake in the matter, small to large. Remains to be seen (or revealed) though. However, I'm more convinced that the crux of this meeting was with the 4 Horsemen of the Apocalypse to shore up the next steps. Even meeting with Tindall (with Clark and Frate in tow) to see what challenges in the City's Charter could be brought forth to stall the deal.

They must of liked what they heard as they are proceeding most riki-tik to blitzkrieg this vote. Perhaps (defer to CF here) the possible challenges from within are too weak or of little substance and that the main threats of challenge lie outside City Coucil. Or the ultimate nuke... the Alvarez/Scruggs envoked Fraud and Collusion card. Are they willing to resort to scorched-earth tactics? Burn the entire house down with everyone in it, including themselves? Beasley the scapegoat? All entirely speculation on my part.

A microscopic puff of smoke to your TO Tribe thing. You have to take these things with larger grains of salt (as with a vast majority of polls) but I found this today:

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New poll results indicate most Glendale voters support casino

A poll taken between Sept. 21 and 30 of 600 registered voters in Glendale shows 68 percent support or strongly support the proposed Tohono O’odham West Valley Resort/casino and believe it would be beneficial for Glendale.

The poll was conducted by Behavior Research Center, and spokesperson Jim Haynes said roughly 100 registered voters in each of the six council districts participated.

A similar number of voters, 66 percent, said they want the City of Glendale to quickly work out a deal with the Tohono O’odham Nation so the project can move forward.

In addition, respondents were asked if Glendale was headed in the right or wrong direction. They were asked if it was really on the wrong track.

In response, 47 percent said the city was seriously off track.

Just 27 percent thought the city was going in the right direction.
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This really does speak volumes of how the NHL is willing to do business as GJ is hand picked by L'ill Gary.
I'm going to go another route with this. I'll buy into the theory that GJ was there at the behest of the League as well. Notsomuch in a snake-oil salesman way to overwhelming kick ethics and morals to the curb. No, I believe he was there also as the messenger. To report back to the League the likelihood of this being cascaded thru as it directly impacts not only the current CBA negotiations (Likelihood of subsidy translating to value of revenue sharing +/-), but the finalization of it all. Either way it turns out.

Contingencies reaffirmed.


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I forgot to add... one person I don't envy right now is Tindall. To be caught up in this tug of war I mean. Clark et al hovering over him for details on what the minority can and cannot do and the minority bombarding him with the same.

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I forgot to add... one person I don't envy right now is Tindall. To be caught up in this tug of war I mean. Clark et al hovering over him for details on what the minority can and cannot do and the minority bombarding him with the same.
Tindall can't afford to be distracted he has a big day in court tomorrow.

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... well, if its true that Jamisons' playing to the pro Arena Management Fee Councillors, a vote possible on November 27th and it does manage to pass, theres going to be Hell to pay. The voters approved the tax increase sure enough, afraid they'd lose basic services, major cutbacks in Fire & Police etc, but that vote shouldnt be misinterpreted as also approving $320M+ in payments to GJ.

The timing is also curious, as I believe thats American Thanksgiving is it not? A time when people have a lot of other things on their minds, a short break, time spent with family, travel. So lets say they put it on the Agenda on Friday the 23rd, or leave it late & release it on Monday the 26th, no warning, no time for people to rally, then hammer it through on the Tuesday night. I dont know what recourse the citizens nor the incoming Mayor & Council members might have.

I believe the Coyotes can succeed in Glendale, however, I dont believe the City of Glendale can survive under the terms of the Jamison agreement even with the approved tax increase.
Im not sure how they can survive in Arizona KIllion. About 15 years in the hole doesnt work, even with major changes from new CBA and/or ownership. Unless someone is willing to loose money every year, its not going to happen I dont think.

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That's exactly what I wrote, TL. Scruggs had been a major supporter. The question is, what turned her against Beasley and the Jamison deal? Reading between the lines, her major public complaints have been Beasley's secretive work, his refusal to provide information on the real costs of managing the arena, and Jamison's refusal to communicate with her. In addition to that, she seems to have become particularly sensitive to cutting jobs and services as the financial crisis settled in and forced Glendale to choose budget priorities. Maybe there were other issues as well, but something turned her from "pro" to "anti-". In any case, it is one of the more interesting sub-plots to the saga. Why did Scruggs turn?
It's extremely puzzling when Scruggs was on TV not a year ago claiming the initial Jamison deal was the best one of the three she'd seen to date.

Clark was on the radio again today and was asked what she thought about it. You can listen to it at the link below (they put the segment at the top of the home page for now) and draw your own conclusions. Note that Clark openly states she and the mayor aren't the best of friends so people should take her opinions the proper context.

http://www.azsportstalk.com/

Clark also added that she along with some other CMs met with Jamison on Wednesday. And Jamison also met with "top city staff members" the same day. A vote tentatively could be scheduled for Nov. 27th. Provided they get all the particulars of the revised AMF deal posted by the 20th (to meet the 7 day window).

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My wonder now is, what will Fallar do now?

I don't want to be OT, they were 2 persons doing a lot in Glendale FOR the deal with GJ, what ever could be the cost for the citizens...
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It's extremely puzzling when Scruggs was on TV not a year ago claiming the initial Jamison deal was the best one of the three she'd seen to date.

Clark was on the radio again today and was asked what she thought about it. You can listen to it at the link below (they put the segment at the top of the home page for now) and draw your own conclusions. Note that Clark openly states she and the mayor aren't the best of friends so people should take her opinions the proper context.

http://www.azsportstalk.com/

Clark also added that she along with some other CMs met with Jamison on Wednesday. And Jamison also met with "top city staff members" the same day. A vote tentatively could be scheduled for Nov. 27th. Provided they get all the particulars of the revised AMF deal posted by the 20th (to meet the 7 day window).

Little late to the game there TL

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Can't jerk with the City Manager though, as it too also takes a majority vote.
A majority thats now anti-Coyotes...

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Wow... Listened to the "interview" she's a very cocky person considering she lost her seat. The guy interviewing her sounds like a complete ******, the whole interview is nothing but bashing Scruggs and how Clarke WILL make the vote happen come hell or high water.

Clark doesn't "think" the mayor can stall the vote. Just you wait, it will hit the fan Joyce then you'll be left with egg on your face. She infuriates me! Makes me want to go down there an give her a good slap.

Further she said "Mr Jamison guarentees 79 events a year including hockey" How can he or she guarentee that if there is another lockout? They can't.

Ohh and http://nebulousverbosity.com/?p=2336 Fallar's at it again, ohh what will he do when his beloved Joyce is booted from her seat in the council chambers for good and his hockey team leaves town? Maybe he'll do something constructive and crawl back under his rock, what a turd.


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