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11-09-2012, 07:37 AM
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No one can get him the puck. I honestly can't remember one time where someone made a successful pass to him at the blue line or when he was in stride. The only time he gets it is when HE has to start the breakout, which can only be frustrating.
Excuses.
Yakupov has been pretty awful and that's mostly on him.
He can't handle the puck, is making bad reads on passes, is trying too hard to skate through defenders and has done nothing defensively but cherry pick looking for a break the other way. It doesn't really mean much long term but lets call a spade a spade, he's having a subpar tournament.

Zharkov was actually more impressive yesterday. He was pretty relentless on the puck and showed off some nice skills.


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Excuses.
Yakupov has been pretty awful and that's mostly on him.
He can't handle the puck, is making bad reads on passes, is trying too hard to skate through defenders and has done nothing defensively but cherry pick looking for a break the other way. It doesn't really mean much long term but lets call a spade a spade, he's having a subpar tournament.
I haven't been impressed with this Russian team at all so far.... I was expecting much more since this is more or less their national team give or take a handful of players going against league all star teams with absolutely 0 prep time (game day morning skate) now with a few days to rest up, if they can't decidedly handle things the rest of the way, then I'm clearly marking Canada as the favorite for Ufa... I don't think they'll come close to handling Canada's lockout team if and that's a BIG IF the Lockout is still raging. (I doubt it will.)

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11-09-2012, 07:47 AM
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Excuses.
Yakupov has been pretty awful and that's mostly on him.
He can't handle the puck, is making bad reads on passes, is trying too hard to skate through defenders and has done nothing defensively but cherry pick looking for a break the other way. It doesn't really mean much long term but lets call a spade a spade, he's having a subpar tournament.

Zharkov was actually more impressive yesterday. He was pretty relentless on the puck and showed off some nice skills.
And yet he leads the team in scoring along with Shalunov. The guy had two or three players draped all over him playing the third game in four nights after a cross continental flight.

Zharkov did nothing. Did he even have a scoring chance? I know Yakupov did.

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11-09-2012, 08:09 AM
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And yet he leads the team in scoring along with Shalunov. The guy had two or three players draped all over him playing the third game in four nights after a cross continental flight.

Zharkov did nothing. Did he even have a scoring chance? I know Yakupov did.
I think you're basing too much on his stats and not enough on his actual play.
He was pretty good in the first game but can you honestly say that he has been good the last 2 games?
I'm sure that the schedule and travel had something to do with it, his lack of chemistry of teammates, him being targeted by the opposition or even the coaching but the bottom line is that he has been a mess the last 2 games. It means nothing in regards to his NHL future but if you look at it through unbiased eyes, you can see that he's struggling out there.
In fairness to Yakupov, it seems that most players on both sides have been struggling outside of the MacKinnon-Huberdeau-Drouin combo in game 2.

I feel that Zharkov was more involved than Yakupov. He was engaging physically, showed excellent hustle and showed off some nice stickhandling skills. Nothing spectacular, just a nice, solid performance against the best of his peers.

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11-09-2012, 08:25 AM
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I think you're basing too much on his stats and not enough on his actual play.
He was pretty good in the first game but can you honestly say that he has been good the last 2 games?
I'm sure that the schedule and travel had something to do with it, his lack of chemistry of teammates, him being targeted by the opposition or even the coaching but the bottom line is that he has been a mess the last 2 games. It means nothing in regards to his NHL future but if you look at it through unbiased eyes, you can see that he's struggling out there.
In fairness to Yakupov, it seems that most players on both sides have been struggling outside of the MacKinnon-Huberdeau-Drouin combo in game 2.

I feel that Zharkov was more involved than Yakupov. He was engaging physically, showed excellent hustle and showed off some nice stickhandling skills. Nothing spectacular, just a nice, solid performance against the best of his peers.
I didnt see Zharkov have one scoring chance. Yakupov on the other hand had several. They both finished -1, but Yak's - came on the horrible short handed goal caused by Mironov's awful giveaway.

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11-09-2012, 08:32 AM
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I think you're basing too much on his stats and not enough on his actual play.
He was pretty good in the first game but can you honestly say that he has been good the last 2 games?
I'm sure that the schedule and travel had something to do with it, his lack of chemistry of teammates, him being targeted by the opposition or even the coaching but the bottom line is that he has been a mess the last 2 games. It means nothing in regards to his NHL future but if you look at it through unbiased eyes, you can see that he's struggling out there.
In fairness to Yakupov, it seems that most players on both sides have been struggling outside of the MacKinnon-Huberdeau-Drouin combo in game 2.

I feel that Zharkov was more involved than Yakupov. He was engaging physically, showed excellent hustle and showed off some nice stickhandling skills. Nothing spectacular, just a nice, solid performance against the best of his peers.
I don't know what you expect from the kid. Ever since the first game in the series he's basically been shadowed.

He's done a pretty good job of quickly dishing the puck off to his teammates but they have shown a general inability to handle a quick hard pass. That's not on him, it's on them. Last night it looked like he got frustrated with his teammates and decided to carry the puck through the entire OHL team himself. Of course that didn't work.

What I've seen in the series so far are CHL coaches game planning around not allowing Nail any room out there. The only reason they are able to get away with that is no one else on Nail's line has been able to take advantage of the open ice created for them. It doesn't help that Nail has become accustomed to a higher level of play from his teammates in the KHL.

I'm sure he doesn't like his game at the moment either but there are a lot of reasons for his struggles, it will be really impressive if he can power through them.


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I don't know what you expect from the kid. Ever since the first game in the series he's basically been shadowed.

He's done a pretty good job of quickly dishing the puck off to his teammates but they have shown a general inability to handle a quick hard pass. That's not on him, it's on them. Last night it looked like he got frustrated with his teammates and decided to carry the puck through the entire OHL team himself. Of course that didn't work.

What I've seen in the series so far are CHL coaches game planning around not allowing Nail any room out there. The only reason they are able to get away with that is no one else on Nail's line has been able to take advantage of the open ice created for them. It doesn't help that Nail has become accustomed to a higher level of play from his teammates in the KHL.
I agree with some of that but Yakupov isn't exactly making it easy on his linemates either.
I just feel that Oiler fans are blaming others because Yakupov is an Oilers prospect.
When Yakupov struggled in the summer tournament, it was Grigorenko's fault. It's the coaches fault for not giving Yakupov enough ice time in the KHL etc.
Look, i love him as a player and feel that he will be a stud in the NHL but the amount of excuses for his subpar play in these tournaments is a little much IMO (I've been guilty of it as well at times).
I would say that it's a little bit of everything, his teammates, the team system, other teams keying on him and his own struggles but my point is that he should be called out when he's not playing well.
In any event, it's not really a big deal. I'm sure that he'll come out flying in the next game after some much needed rest.

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11-09-2012, 09:18 AM
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I agree with some of that but Yakupov isn't exactly making it easy on his linemates either.
I just feel that Oiler fans are blaming others because Yakupov is an Oilers prospect.
When Yakupov struggled in the summer tournament, it was Grigorenko's fault. It's the coaches fault for not giving Yakupov enough ice time in the KHL etc.
Look, i love him as a player and feel that he will be a stud in the NHL but the amount of excuses for his subpar play in these tournaments is a little much IMO (I've been guilty of it as well at times).
I would say that it's a little bit of everything, his teammates, the team system, other teams keying on him and his own struggles but my point is that he should be called out when he's not playing well.
In any event, it's not really a big deal. I'm sure that he'll come out flying in the next game after some much needed rest.
There is definitely room for improvement in his performance, he acknowledged that last night, but the kind of pressure being exerted on him by Canadian coaches in these tournaments is extraordinary. No one else born after Sidney Crosby has had to deal with this kind of attention in high profile international games. You rarely see so much defensive attention paid to a single player at any level.

It's hard to be disappointed with his performance given the degree of difficulty he's facing.

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11-09-2012, 09:28 AM
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When you have a team like Russia that doesn't play with a lot of structure and relies a lot on long passes and individual play, then combine it with an opposition that it making a concerted team effort to shut down one particular player, it isn't surprising at all that the guy isn't having much success.

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11-09-2012, 09:57 AM
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I must say that I am happy with what I'm seeing out of Yakupov. I agree that yesterday's game was his weakest of the series thus far. However, it's evident that he is the quickest and most dangerous player on the ice. Here's what I saw:

1. It seems like he is being shadowed all of the time.
2. He is clearly the quickest player on the ice. He reminds me of Bure. So fast, and ready to explode.
3. He clearly has more skill than his linemates. It was mentioned previously, and I noticed yesterday that many of his hard, crisp passes are giving his linemates difficulty. I just think he plays at a much higher level. I say several cross ice passes that simply weren't received well.
4. He seems to be frustrated at times. A good example of this is when he actually tried to deke the whole OHL team in the 3rd period yesterday, and actually almost created a scoring opportunity.

IMO he looks alot better than he did at the Canada-Russia challenge. Overall, I am very happy with what I've seen.

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First time seeing Zharkov play and I was quite impressed. He's got pretty good skill and was one of the more effective players on the Russian side. He's pretty tenacious on the puck and uses his body well too.

Yakupov looked kinda frustrated but I would be too if I played with Kasputin. Man that guy sucks ass. Its hard for Yaks to do anything also when all the attention from the other team is on him.

If Yakupov was defensively responsible he wouldn't need Kapustin on his line.

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If Yakupov was defensively responsible he wouldn't need Kapustin on his line.
Right, because Yakupov is there for defense.

Good call.

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Right, because Yakupov is there for defense.

Good call.

I didn't say he was. But if Yakupov didn't hang out waiting for breakout passes all day, he wouldn't need a defensive specialist on the other wing. Just a *little* 2-way diversity in his game could go a long way.

This WILL BE a big issue if/when he plays for the senior national team under Bilyaletdinov.

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I didn't say he was. But if Yakupov didn't hang out waiting for breakout passes all day, he wouldn't need a defensive specialist on the other wing. Just a *little* 2-way diversity in his game could go a long way.

This WILL BE a big issue if/when he plays for the senior national team under Bilyaletdinov.
He covers the point in his own end for the most part, which is exactly what he should be doing. Its not like he is hanging out at the redline, and even if he was, that is a big part of how the Russian's play. They are likely told to do just that by the coach.

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After hearing all the comments about his flamboyant personality worries during the summer, is anyone pleased with the fact that he can acknowledge when he is not playing well and not blame it on anyone but himself?

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let's draft Barkov next to get friendly with the Finns as well!
Kid is tearing up the SM-Liiga as a 17 year old. 20pts in 20gms.

I'm all in for that.

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Excuses.
Yakupov has been pretty awful and that's mostly on him.
He can't handle the puck, is making bad reads on passes, is trying too hard to skate through defenders and has done nothing defensively but cherry pick looking for a break the other way. It doesn't really mean much long term but lets call a spade a spade, he's having a subpar tournament.

Zharkov was actually more impressive yesterday. He was pretty relentless on the puck and showed off some nice skills.
He has played fine, as others have mentioned with 2 players covering him at all time. The thign you are right about is that he has bumbled the puck a lot. Quite a few times he just lost the puck. Not sure if he is trying to hard or what. He needs to slow down a bit I think.

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Excuses.
Yakupov has been pretty awful and that's mostly on him.
He can't handle the puck, is making bad reads on passes, is trying too hard to skate through defenders and has done nothing defensively but cherry pick looking for a break the other way. It doesn't really mean much long term but lets call a spade a spade, he's having a subpar tournament.

Zharkov was actually more impressive yesterday. He was pretty relentless on the puck and showed off some nice skills.
The entire Russian team has not been very impressive, with the exception of the first Q game. Yak gets completely smothered by opposing teams' players as soon as he gets the puck but, when he's open, his teammates can never get him the puck. The Russian PP is also an example of that. It's mostly just guys trying to do something themselves and sometimes it works but most of the time it doesn't. They don't play a very team-oriented game compared to Canada. Shame because they have so much talent.

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When you have a team like Russia that doesn't play with a lot of structure and relies a lot on long passes and individual play, then combine it with an opposition that it making a concerted team effort to shut down one particular player, it isn't surprising at all that the guy isn't having much success.
Agree with this.

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Was at the game last night. 3rd row behind Russian bench (you can see me as the guy with the white Oilers jersey there).

I don't go to many live games in general at any level, so I'm no great scout . But some comments.

Yakupov looked fast. And dangerous. But it unfortunately did not amount to much yesterday.
It seems like he feels his teammates can't help so much, so breakouts that he led, he felt he'd have to take the puck by himself all the way, then get frustrated when the 2nd (or so) Canadian he tried to go through would stop him.
Other times he'd wind up in his own end getting ready for a more structured breakout, only to find his deference make a long pass to another stationary forward at the Canada blue line who was covered, before Yak even hit the defensive blueline in stride. Frustrating.
Was unfortunate he missed that first PP (though at least I could see him on the bench he looked fine so I figured he wasn't injured).

Zharkov seemed to play half the 2nd period. Pretty sure they were double shifting him in the 2nd, and he seemed to play a lot in the 3rd too, but not as much as 2nd. Seemed big and strong and aggressive. Looked always to be wanting to lay the body, but then to hold back at the last second to not get out of position.

Overall, the game was quite meh. Felt like Russia had probably 3-4 good scoring chances overall? Canada not many more.

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Was watching Yak during defensive zone time. He did not cheat and stay out at the blue line or centre ice or anything. He was always there kinda in between hash marks and his defenceman. Didn't move much in the D-zone, but just kinda stayed close enough to his D-man.

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i think it's hilarious that some people are somehow worried about yakupov, even though he is leading his team in scoring while being shadowed every game - all in a series that doesn't mean anything.... lol, wow

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He needs a playmaker. I think someone like a Gagner who likes to generate a rush and passes first would benefit from his playing style and likewise. Or Hopkins of course. Watch the game on replay if you have PVR and are concerned about him. The guys elite. He should be playing in OKC currently.


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i think it's hilarious that some people are somehow worried about yakupov, even though he is leading his team in scoring while being shadowed every game - all in a series that doesn't mean anything.... lol, wow
I don't think anybody is "worried" about Yakupov. Some of us are just merely pointing out that he hasn't been playing well in the last 2 games. For example, I remember when there was 10 seconds left in the 3rd period and instead of playing it smart, he tried to make a stretch pass and iced the puck, giving OHL the opportunity to tie to game.

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I didn't say he was. But if Yakupov didn't hang out waiting for breakout passes all day, he wouldn't need a defensive specialist on the other wing. Just a *little* 2-way diversity in his game could go a long way.

This WILL BE a big issue if/when he plays for the senior national team under Bilyaletdinov.
How about he plays with a player that can either see him or even solidly attempt to reach him on a stretch or breakout pass so he didn't have to go back and retrieve it then dump it off to one of his teammates during or while initiating the breakout. Kapustin is awful.

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How about he plays with a player that can either see him or even solidly attempt to reach him on a stretch or breakout pass so he didn't have to go back and retrieve it then dump it off to one of his teammates during or while initiating the breakout. Kapustin is awful.
To be fair, Yakupov was centered by Grigorenko at Junior Summit Series and now by Khokhlachev. Both these guys are really good players; yet guys Yakupov couldn't mesh with. At some point the responsibility should be on Yakupov.
Despite being shadowed, and regardless of linemates, I'd like to see him (at least once) put on a Tarasenko or Kuznetsov performance at this level. He certainly has the talent to do so. But for some reason he hasn't been able to carry a team on his back while being the 'go to guy' yet.

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How about he plays with a player that can either see him or even solidly attempt to reach him on a stretch or breakout pass so he didn't have to go back and retrieve it then dump it off to one of his teammates during or while initiating the breakout. Kapustin is awful.
I watched game 1 against the Q in its entirety and about an hour's worth of game 2. Didn't watch the game against the OHL. Yakupov may not be so great in his own end but he is deadly offensively. Give him a halfway responsible two way centre who can make a tape to tape pass and has decent offensive instincts and it's domination time. I also saw Nail wheel back on numerous occasions (in and around his own blueline) and rather than play the puck to the NZ or look for the standard safe play i.e. dump or what have you, would bring the play back into his own zone and try to reset things, or at least attempt to reset things for his team and get the puck to his D-man or centre. Given his skillset and his position, I don't know how people can fault him, virtually at all, for the way he plays or his lack of defensive prowess. The guy is a short, insanely skilled goal scorer who is a flat out gamebreaker if there ever was one. Give him an inch and he's going to score, that's the bottom line. He should stick to dominating offensively rather than trying to be something he's not. Let the other guys on his unit worry about that. As long as he's even half decent in his own zone I wouldn't be concern. He looks like Pavel Bure for Christ's sake.

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