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Quite the contrary. Huberdeau, Strome are better on offence, and the stats support that. Couturier, Scheifele are better all-around players, as well. Landeskog is a proven NHL star player now. Yakupov drops down in 2011 draft no doubt.
Huberdeau and Strome barely outscoring a player who is a year behind in development does not mean they are better offensively. I'm pretty sure Yakupov scored at a higher pace than all but Strome when you look at draft seasons. If you want to just look at junior scoring stats, are you saying Strome > Yakupov > Huberdeau > RNH >>> Landeskog? Landeskog is a proven star? I'm not sure I'd go that far, but even if he is it doesn't really mean anything because Yakupov hasn't played an NHL game yet. He is however, playing like a superstar in the best active hockey league in the World right now. Which is considerably more impressive than what Hamilton did in juniors after he was drafted. I don't know if Yakupov ran over your dog or something, but you're really undervaluing him here, he is absolutely a better prospect than Hamilton. If the two were in the same draft, I don't think there's a GM in the World that would draft Hamilton over Yakupov.
Cazy outlandish proposal that neither team considers.
Boston does not trade the best defensive prospect in the world along with a franchise player in Seguin who could have easily been selected #1 ahead of Hall
Edmonton does not trade two potential/consistent 40- 50 goal scorers. The strength Oilers have on their wings will more then make up for their center weaknesses. (minus hopkins)
It's somewhat even but when dealing with stars/potential stars, small differences can become large ones quite easily.
Hall and Seguin are essentially a wash (if you look at the raw stats/rate stats/advanced stats it's actually eerily close)
Yakupov is worth more than Hamilton
Maybe, Maybe not? A Hamilton for Yakupov trade right now for the Oilers looks pretty good, depite Yak's skill and potential. IMO-we need to spread the wealth around to other positions. A defence core of: Schultz, Smid, Petry, Klefbom, Hamilton, Marincin along with vets: Whitney, and Schultz looks great!
Speaking from a purely NHL 13 Fantasy perspective...
Edmonton should probably do this, I think Seguin/Hall and Yakupov/Hamilton are close enough value wise where it makes it an even swap. I might say Seguin/Yakupov are worth more, but it evens out IMO.
Doing this trade would give the Oilers Seguin/RNH down the middle and have two stud prospects on the backend in Hamilton/Schultz. Would give the Bruins two top six wingers immediately, and having Krejci/Bergeron (who are already the centers now) is obviously the reasoning for being able to trade Seguin.
Speaking from a real life perspective.....
Neither team would do this, ever, ever.
unfortunately the left wing depth would be ryan jones, ben eager and ryan smyth
Lets assume Hall and Seguin are a wash. Is there anyone out there that would take Hamilton ahead of Yakupov at this point?
This.
I hear Boston fans argument about him being a Chara replacement and it makes sense to me.
But in a vacumn without team needs Yakupov > Hamilton imo
I assume if the Oilers put Yakupov on the bloack they would want a more established dman and since Hall wont be traded the only part to discuss is Yak vs Hamilton
This is so silly Hamilton and Yak are washes IMO, and Hamilton has greater value to Boston so ya....Seguin vs Hall us also equal so this trade IMO is pretty pointless and both teams come out even,or maybe even a little worse for were...there is no need for either team to trade it's young core players yet so I don't see the point of this trade just saying
Since at the moment Hamilton is more developed...imo Yak will become a solid 1st liner,and Hamilton a solid top pairingD, so ya it's a wash, you must need a reminder that prospects develop
Since when do we start calling Hamilton and first overall picks a "wash" in trade proposals?
Scouts said there was not much differnce between Hamilton and Larrson going in a few said he was higher, and then the next year his 72point 50 game season, he would have gone top 3 easily.
If Hamilton's birthday is a little earlier he is in 2012 draft and a top three either 1 or 2 but top three at worst.
Hf even has him at 3 in the world right now so the hf ranked 1 (Yak) and three, there is more value for Yak, but if you believe Hamilton will live up to the projections your getting a potential norris winner from the back end over a potential Hert winner on the front end. Its really if you value Defence or Offence more.
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Hey now. Dougie is the best defensive prospect in the world, OK?
Who is better? Do you think there is someone better than him, because ther is not.
Right now Seguin can not really be compared to Hall.
Rookie years Seguin put on third line scratched a few nights very limited PP, more points per min than Hall linemates Ryder,Peverly
................Hall, came on slow, ended great, lots of PP time #1 forward line
Second years Seguin leads Bruins in scoring PO's and Regular season, much improoved defence 10-15 games at Center
.................. Hall good second year, ended with Injury again
Who is better? Do you think there is someone better than him, because ther is not.
Right now Seguin can not really be compared to Hall.
Rookie years Seguin put on third line scratched a few nights very limited PP, more points per min than Hall linemates Ryder,Peverly
................Hall, came on slow, ended great, lots of PP time #1 forward line
Second years Seguin leads Bruins in scoring PO's and Regular season, much improoved defence 10-15 games at Center
.................. Hall good second year, ended with Injury again
We've been through this before regarding Seguin. Sheltered minutes, playing alongside a Selke winner on a stacked veteran cup winning team. He was also benched for the cup winning playoffs.
Compared to Hall, who has taken on a much more advanced role for the Oilers, leading the offense, being a catalyst for that offense, and more than likely going to become the next captain of the Oilers. Hall brings characteristics that Seguin can only wish he had. Not only that, but he scores at and above the PPG of Seguin. So you're right, they really aren't comparable. If they are, it would be by draft position which accurately describes the two to a tee at this point in time with all things considered.
Points will never tell the whole story for Hall, but if you insist that it does then you must also uphold the same criteria for Hamilton, who during his "Breakout" OHL season managed to end up 4th overall in scoring amongst defenseman. To me, that says there were 3 other players who were better than him.
We've been through this before regarding Seguin. Sheltered minutes, playing alongside a Selke winner on a stacked veteran cup winning team. He was also benched for the cup winning playoffs.
Compared to Hall, who has taken on a much more advanced role for the Oilers, leading the offense, being a catalyst for that offense, and more than likely going to become the next captain of the Oilers. Hall brings characteristics that Seguin can only wish he had. Not only that, but he scores at and above the PPG of Seguin. So you're right, they really aren't comparable. If they are, it would be by draft position which accurately describes the two to a tee at this point in time with all things considered.
Points will never tell the whole story for Hall, but if you insist that it does then you must also uphold the same criteria for Hamilton, who during his "Breakout" OHL season managed to end up 4th overall in scoring amongst defenseman. To me, that says there were 3 other players who were better than him.
You really want to get this going again? Both players are essentially interchangeable with how they are used on their respective teams, if roles and teams were reversed. Hall would have the sheltered bottom 6 minutes his rookie year while Seguin is spoon-fed PP time galore.
Dougie is worth two times more Nail is worth from a Bruins' perspective. After Chara we have Seidenberg, and then... them. We have loads of wing prospects and all of our top-6 wingers are younger than 24 with the exception of Horton, who's 27.
None of our wing prospects are nearly as good as Nail, of course, but a stud defenseman is worth so much more than a stud winger to us, and period in my opinion.
Again, with Hall and Seguin they're so close. Neither team would trade either of them straight up for eachother. The value, surprisingly, isn't bad at all, but it's so insanely improbable.
Points will never tell the whole story for Hall, but if you insist that it does then you must also uphold the same criteria for Hamilton, who during his "Breakout" OHL season managed to end up 4th overall in scoring amongst defenseman. To me, that says there were 3 other players who were better than him.
If you also insist on using points measurement, then Nail Yakupov, in his 'breakout' 2010-11 OHL season, managed to end up 4th in scoring amongst forwards. That scoring list says there were three other OHL forwards who were better than Yakupov. And Jonathan Huberdeau scored 105 points in QMJHL in 2010-11, so make that four forwards.
OHL regular season 2010-11
1 Tyler Toffoli Ottawa 67's GP68/Pts. 108
2 Jason Akeson Kitchener Rangers GP67/Pts. 108
3 Ryan Strome Niagara IceDogs GP65/Pts. 106
4 Nail Yakupov Sarnia Sting GP65/Pts. 101
If you also insist on using points measurement, then Nail Yakupov, in his 'breakout' 2010-11 OHL season, managed to end up 4th in scoring amongst forwards. That scoring list says there were three other OHL forwards who were better than Yakupov. And Jonathan Huberdeau scored 105 points in QMJHL in 2010-11, so make that four forwards.
OHL regular season 2010-11
1 Tyler Toffoli Ottawa 67's GP68/Pts. 108
2 Jason Akeson Kitchener Rangers GP67/Pts. 108
3 Ryan Strome Niagara IceDogs GP65/Pts. 106
4 Nail Yakupov Sarnia Sting GP65/Pts. 101
No one in their right minds takes those 3 players before Yakupov. Seriously. I don't know what your trying to prove, but Yakupov is a far, far, far, far better prospect than than them.
No one in their right minds takes those 3 players before Yakupov. Seriously. I don't know what your trying to prove, but Yakupov is a far, far, far, far better prospect than than them.
Once you are able to get past the Yakupov >>>>> 'EveryOtherPlayer' agenda, we can settle this and move on.
