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11-09-2012, 12:40 PM
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From the Prospects Board regarding Griffin Reinhart. Always nice to get a little more insight.

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He's not putting up the numbers, but like I said he's not the type of guy that's going to rack up points. I mean he could pull a Tyler Myers and out of nowhere find a huge offensive game but even Myers has made it seem like his rookie season was an anomaly, not a trend.

You're not going to appreciate Reinhart by looking up his stats... the only way you're really going to understand how good he is is by watching him play. He's an absolute rock defensively, is calm under pressure, makes smart decisions with the puck, makes smooth, crisp breakout passes, and has a decent shot from the point. But he's not the type of guy who's going to frequently rush the puck up the ice or generate a ton of scoring chances. He's one of the best defenders in the WHL, maybe even in the CHL, when you look strictly at defensive game and he's just beyond smart in his positioning and such.

Now I'm not saying he's never going to put up points in the NHL because it all depends on the type of environment he's in, how he's utilized, etc. and some players (especially defensemen) don't find their offensive game until later. Look at Victor Hedman, he's got the defensive game down to a T, but he's still working on that offensive game and he's being utilized for defense, not offense and that's reflected by his zone starts.

Reinhart is also being utilized more for defense than offense, hence why he doesn't see much PP time despite his pretty decent point shot.

He'll be an amazing defenceman but I wouldn't put down a big chunk of cash on betting he'll put up big numbers. For reference, last season he put up 36 points in 58 games (0.62 points per game). However, the Oil Kings were stacked and averaged 4.31 goals per game last year. The league average? 3.38. That's a huge difference. When you adjust Oil Kings scoring to league average, Reinhart's adjusted numbers equate to 0.48 points per game which is a significant drop from the numbers he actually posted.

Sorry for the long post, but in summary:

1) You have to watch Reinhart to appreciate him. Just because he's not putting up numbers doesn't mean he's not a stud.
2) Reinhart, based on adjusted numbers and such, was far from the most offensively talented d-man in last years draft. From the WHL, Pouliot, Murray, Rielly, and Dumba were all well ahead of him in adjusted points per game.
3) He's not being utilized in an offensive role.
4) Sometimes defensemen take a while to find their offensive game.

I really like Ryan Suter as a comparable - aside from two fantastic seasons where he put up 45 and 46 points, he's hovered around the mid-high 30's. Suter is smooth and smart and an exceptional defenseman but he's not exactly an offensive dynamo. Same with Reinhart. Suter has averaged 0.44 points per game throughout his career which equates to 36 points in a full season and that's around where I'd expect Reinhart to be most years.

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11-09-2012, 01:07 PM
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From the Prospects Board regarding Griffin Reinhart. Always nice to get a little more insight.
Other than watching one game on NHL Network earlier this year, this comes from me listening
to all his games on the radio (internet). The opposition rarely scores when Reinhart is on the ice,
always against the other teams best lines. I'll gladly take a Ryan Suter type.

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Other than watching one game on NHL Network earlier this year, this comes from me listening
to all his games on the radio (internet). The opposition rarely scores when Reinhart is on the ice,
always against the other teams best lines. I'll gladly take a Ryan Suter type.
Agreed. That would be a dream come true. Imagine if we can get Ryan Pulock in the draft and pair him with Reinhart. We've had luck with Wheat Kings defensemen

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Agreed. That would be a dream come true. Imagine if we can get Ryan Pulock in the draft and pair him with Reinhart. We've had luck with Wheat Kings defensemen
Yes, that would be great, teaming a a dynamic offense defenseman like Pulock with Reinhart if
the Islanders are not drafting until around pick 7 overall.

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Agreed. That would be a dream come true. Imagine if we can get Ryan Pulock in the draft and pair him with Reinhart. We've had luck with Wheat Kings defensemen
Reinhart is an Oil King, Pulock is a Wheat King. Come on man, get it right.

If we're in position to get any of Jones, Ristolainen, or Pulock - I'll be really happy and very confident with the defense corps going forward.

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Reinhart is an Oil King, Pulock is a Wheat King. Come on man, get it right.

If we're in position to get any of Jones, Ristolainen, or Pulock - I'll be really happy and very confident with the defense corps going forward.
Just a guess here if the Islanders are drafting 4-5 it would be hard to pass on either Drouin
or Monahan. After that Pulock and Ristolainen must be considered.


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Reinhart is an Oil King, Pulock is a Wheat King. Come on man, get it right.

If we're in position to get any of Jones, Ristolainen, or Pulock - I'll be really happy and very confident with the defense corps going forward.
i think he was refering to Hamonic who was a wheat king for his last season in Juniors.

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i think he was refering to Hamonic who was a wheat king for his last season in Juniors.
DOH! Haha. Yeah, I'm just a big dumb animal. Don't mind me.

Travis didn't even enter into my head, I always thought he was only a Moose Jaw Warrior. Forgot he was traded to Brandon.

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Reinhart is an Oil King, Pulock is a Wheat King. Come on man, get it right.

If we're in position to get any of Jones, Ristolainen, or Pulock - I'll be really happy and very confident with the defense corps going forward.
I'm sure we'll go BPA wherever we pick, but I just hope to God we get a shot at one of the top-4(assuming the lockout whipes the enitire season away). MacKinnon, Jones, Barkov and Monahan are all elite prospects. I'd even put Lindholm right on the border of that group.

That could be the only silver lining of a locked out season. We should be able to add yet another blue-chip prospect to an already stacked group.

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DOH! Haha. Yeah, I'm just a big dumb animal. Don't mind me.

Travis didn't even enter into my head, I always thought he was only a Moose Jaw Warrior. Forgot he was traded to Brandon.
The Taylor Hall hit in the memorial cup, come on. I know I'm not the only one who has watched that video 100 times. The most outstanding highlight of Hamonic's junior career was in a Wheat Kings jersey lol.

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The Taylor Hall hit in the memorial cup, come on. I know I'm not the only one who has watched that video 100 times. The most outstanding highlight of Hamonic's junior career was in a Wheat Kings jersey lol.
I remember how awesome that was. At the time, Isles fans were really starting to get excited about his upside, and that was right before the 2010 draft where Hall was getting all kinds of hype. That hit basically showed me that he was the real deal.

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Oh, I thought this was the Prospects thread.

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Oh, I thought this was the Prospects thread.
You were correct.

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Overseas scoring leaders

Pretty interesting that Jesee Joenssu is the 5th leading scorer of the NHL players playing overseas at this point. I always thought he had some potential (ok not to be a star, but a good solid 2nd liner) so maybe he is one of those late bloomers and could add something to us whenever the game comes back.
http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/feature/?id=2364

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Just saw a highlight of Niagara, Strome to Ritchie. 2-2 tie, not sure if Strome was involved in both goals or not.

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Just saw a highlight of Niagara, Strome to Ritchie. 2-2 tie, not sure if Strome was involved in both goals or not.
Strome was ejected from the game in the second for checking from behind. Had 1 assist in the game.

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Erie 6, Peterborough 3-Pelech, 1 goal (SH).
Mississauga 6, Niagara 3-Theoret, 2 goals, + 1, Strome 1 assist, + 2, Graham, -1.
Sarnia 4, Guelph 2-Pedan, -1.
Edmonton 4, Prince George 2-Reinhart, 1 goal, 1 assist, + 3.
Spokane 5, Kamloops 2-Kichton, 2 assists.
Victoriaville 7, Cape Breton 1-Leduc, -2.
Boston College 3, Notre Dame 1-Lee, -3, Russo, -1.
Denver 4, Minnesota State 3-Mayfield, + 1.


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Friday
Erie 6, Peterborough 3-Pelech, 1 goal (SH).
Mississauga 6, Niagara 3-Theoret, 2 goals, + 1, Strome 1 assist, + 2, Graham, -1.
Sarnia 4, Guelph 2-Pedan, -1.
Edmonton 4, Prince George 2-Reinhart, 1 goal, 1 assist, + 3.
Spokane 5, Kamloops 2-Kichton, 2 assists.
Victoriaville 7, Cape Breton 1-Leduc, -2.
Boston College 3, Notre Dame 1-Lee, -3, Russo, -1.
Denver 4, Minnesota State 3-Mayfield, + 1.
Maybe we should continue questioning our top prospects, seems to spur on production.

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Maybe we should continue questioning our top prospects, seems to spur on production.
I think we can test this little theory.

I am shocked with Nilsson's production! hasnt scored a goal in like seemingly forever, and hasnt even recorded an assist this year. Im seriously disapointed with him. I guess he's a bust...

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you mean Ullstrom right?

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Friday
Erie 6, Peterborough 3-Pelech, 1 goal (SH).
Mississauga 6, Niagara 3-Theoret, 2 goals, + 1, Strome 1 assist, + 2, Graham, -1.
Sarnia 4, Guelph 2-Pedan, -1.
Edmonton 4, Prince George 2-Reinhart, 1 goal, 1 assist, + 3.
Spokane 5, Kamloops 2-Kichton, 2 assists.
Victoriaville 7, Cape Breton 1-Leduc, -2.
Boston College 3, Notre Dame 1-Lee, -3, Russo, -1.
Denver 4, Minnesota State 3-Mayfield, + 1.
One thing I like about Ledoufus, he's very consistent. -1 or -2 every game. Great draft choice, a 6'6" fighter who gets beat up every fight, and can't play defense to save his life.

Happy to see Pedan back, though I am quite disappointed that despite his talent and progression, doesn't look like the Russian coaches like him, wasn't named to the Russian team for the Super Subway Series, so I doubt he makes the Russian team for the WJHC. Hopefully this puts a chip on his shoulder and he tries to prove the Russian leadership wrong.

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Russians overseas arent well scouted as compared to those playing in the homeland.

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you mean Ullstrom right?
nope. if our goaltender starts scoring goals then we can pretty much deduce that it was me who caused it

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No, Robert Nilsson

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No, Robert Nilsson
We traded Robert Nilsson in the Crying Ryan deal.

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