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11-09-2012, 01:47 PM
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Of course you're not going to get anything on ESPN about the lockout. Comparing it to the NFL coverage is ridiculous; ESPN just doesn't cover the NHL, period. As for the NHL Network, it's owned by the league. What do you expect?
I get ESPN but NFL network coverd the NFL lockout more than ESPN did anyway.

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11-09-2012, 01:59 PM
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Just like an agent.

I always laugh when fans get mad at players' agents, as if an agent is doing something a player doesn't want him to do.
hey, we need to establish what is the point when both are nervous? whats your guess...mine has always been next week so we shall see- after that they are getting into 48ish or less games unless they play every other day, doubleheaders, drag out Cup until July so I think its take a crap or get off the pot. I guess they could be like the NBA and go till around Christmas but those guys in that game admit to being stoned most of the time and I'm not sure you can play in the NHL with that 'type of buzz'

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11-09-2012, 02:05 PM
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It sure as hell ain't Dupont's BFF.
Thank Ference of La Resistance for that.

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11-09-2012, 02:22 PM
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Thank Ference of La Resistance for that.
Yes, it was all Ference, nobody else. Such power! And of course there was no reason whatsoever for what happened. Just one big power trip. For Andy Ference.

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11-09-2012, 02:37 PM
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I thought Fehr worked for the players and not the other way around
He does but the players hired him due to his track record of a hard nosed pain in the arse negotiator for a reason. The entire thing has reached its ridiculous stage. Get it done like business people. Hammer out a deal and get back to hockey. Fans are getting to their boiling point as winter is coming and thats hockey season.

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11-09-2012, 02:46 PM
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Issue is Fehr is a hired gun. There is zero incentive for him to back down and give an inch. He is being paid to get the best deal he can period. He doesnt care if it takes 5 days, 5 months or 5 years. The longer it takes the better it is in the eyes of Fehr as it makes him look more like a tough negotiator and worth the insane amount I am sure he is paid.
Players were still suffering butt hurt when they hired him...

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11-09-2012, 02:50 PM
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Is anything that was said in this memo unfair at ALL?

Same thing I've heard since the start of this whole process. The players are expected to make 100% of the concessions - and the fans expect them to just take it.

Not gonna happen. Nor should it.
Just like last time. Right?

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11-09-2012, 02:52 PM
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Of course you're not going to get anything on ESPN about the lockout. Comparing it to the NFL coverage is ridiculous; ESPN just doesn't cover the NHL, period. As for the NHL Network, it's owned by the league. What do you expect?
ESPN only covers the sports they own the rights to. They've been that way for years. The first listing here is from Oct 9 right before the lockout:
Bristolmetrics: The WNBA Gets More Air Time Than The NHL
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This is a regular feature breaking down, minute-by-minute, the content that appears on ESPN's 11 p.m. edition of SportsCenter throughout the week.

Total time: 399.25 minutes
Time (minus commercials): 303.25

TIME DEVOTED TO INDIVIDUAL SPORTS
NFL: 104.75 minutes (34.5%) (last week: 55%)
MLB: 97 (32%) (last week: 15.9%)
SportsCenter staples*: 38.25 (12.6%) (last week: 11.9%)
Golf: 23.25 (7.7%) (last week: 2.8%)
College football: 14.75 (4.8%) (last week: 12.6%)
NBA: 12.25 (4%) (last week: 0%)
Other sports: 5.75 (1.9%) (last week: 0.3%)
NASCAR: 4.25 (1.4%) (last week: 1.5%)
NHL: 3 (1%) (last week: 0%)
College basketball: 0 (0%) (last week: 0.4%)

*-Includes things like the "Top 10," "Encore," "What 2 Watch 4," etc.
That's right 3 mins in week.

From Nov 8

Bristolmetrics: Marcus Lattimore’s Injury Tests SportsCenter’s Policy On Showing Really Gross Things

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This a regular feature breaking down, minute-by-minute, the content that appears on ESPN's 11 p.m. edition of SportsCenter throughout the week.

Note: Hurricane Sandy knocked out our television capturing software for Monday-Wednesday of last week, so totals are for four days. Apologies.

Total time: 206.5 minutes
Time (minus commercials):158

TIME DEVOTED TO INDIVIDUAL SPORTS
NFL: 49.5 minutes (31.3%) (last week: 30.6%)
College football: 45.25 (28.6%) (last week: 14.2%)
SportsCenter staples*: 18.25 (11.6%) (last week: 10.8%)
NBA: 18 (11.4%) (last week: 6%)
MLB: 17 (10.8%) (last week: 34.5%)
NASCAR: 4 (2.5%) (last week: 0.5%)
College basketball: 3.25 (2.1%) (last week: 0%)
Other sports: 2.75 (1.7%) (last week: 2.8%)
NHL: 0 (0%) (last week: 0.4%)
Golf: 0 (0%) (last week: 0.4%)

*-Includes things like the "Top 10," "Encore," "What 2 Watch 4," etc.

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Players were still suffering butt hurt when they hired him...
It doesnt take a rocket scientist to figure out that Fehr led the MLB players through a strike and a cancelled World Series to understand that the guy doesnt care about the fans or the sport. Granted its a lockout by the owners but the players selected a rep that has now guided two sports through work stoppages. If Fehr is involved its going to be long and drawn out.

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11-09-2012, 02:56 PM
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Pretty sad that the NBA and NFL both get deals done but the NHL and thier PA most likley sit in a room and not even talk.

Surprised fans have not gatherd in front of the building and started to throw rotten tomatoes.
Did you follow the NFL and NBA lockouts? Both of them were more nastier than the NHL lockout has been so far. Maybe it doesn't get nasty. The NFL lockout took up the entire off season. The NBA lockout took up their entire off season and it wasn't settled until the night after Thanksgiving. Decertification of the union. Lawsuits. Court battles. Nothing like that happened in the NHL lockout.

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11-09-2012, 02:58 PM
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Yes, it was all Ference, nobody else. Such power! And of course there was no reason whatsoever for what happened. Just one big power trip. For Andy Ference.
Wow, did I hit a nerve? Just going off the eye witness accounts of that night.

http://blogs.thescore.com/nhl/2009/0...and-the-nhlpa/


And what's with the punchy attitude? Its just a hockey message board, afterall.


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11-09-2012, 03:41 PM
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Wow, did I hit a nerve? Just going off the eye witness accounts of that night.

http://blogs.thescore.com/nhl/2009/0...and-the-nhlpa/


And what's with the punchy attitude? Its just a hockey message board, afterall.
Because Dupont was ******** about his BFF Kelly getting fired and has demonized Ference ever since. Kelly good, Ference bad. I really, really doubt it's that simple - IMHO the entire story has yet to come out, and God knows if it ever will - and I'm sick and tired of people assuming it is.

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Because Dupont was ******** about his BFF Kelly getting fired and has demonized Ference ever since. Kelly good, Ference bad. I really, really doubt it's that simple - IMHO the entire story has yet to come out, and God knows if it ever will - and I'm sick and tired of people assuming it is.
Ok, I see your point. True story might not be out there. Fair enough. but considering the subject matter and how unimportant all this is in the grand scheme, I think it's reasonable to go with the only reports that are out there.

Also, you seem pretty agitated. Have you tried yoga? Or maybe just a general focus on healthy eating and exercise. Can do wonders for one's perspective and outlook.

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11-09-2012, 03:54 PM
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Ok, I see your point. True story might not be out there. Fair enough. but considering the subject matter and how unimportant all this is in the grand scheme, I think it's reasonable to go with the only reports that are out there.

Also, you seem pretty agitated. Have you tried yoga? Or maybe just a general focus on healthy eating and exercise. Can do wonders for one's perspective and outlook.
Oh, good grief.

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11-09-2012, 04:00 PM
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hey, we need to establish what is the point when both are nervous? whats your guess...mine has always been next week so we shall see- after that they are getting into 48ish or less games unless they play every other day, doubleheaders, drag out Cup until July so I think its take a crap or get off the pot. I guess they could be like the NBA and go till around Christmas but those guys in that game admit to being stoned most of the time and I'm not sure you can play in the NHL with that 'type of buzz'
Honestly, I haven't a clue. I'd love nothing more than to have a sit-down with Shawn Thornton and get his unfiltered POV, but that's certainly not happening. Absent that, I'll just wait, like everyone else.

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11-09-2012, 04:25 PM
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Also, you seem pretty agitated. Have you tried yoga? Or maybe just a general focus on healthy eating and exercise. Can do wonders for one's perspective and outlook.
Yeah, Artemis. Ya ever try eating a ****in' salad, you sourpuss??

Brutal.

I'd actually be interested in hearing more of the story on Kelly. Seemed like a good cat, but he must have crossed the line something severe to get the boot like he did.

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Thank Ference of La Resistance for that.
I thought we had moved beyond this.

Good Lord...Let's blame Andy Ference.

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Donald Fehr says the NHLPA "has some things to consider."

Renaud P Lavoie ‏@RenLavoieRDS
Talks are done for right now.

Chris Johnston ‏@reporterchris
The NHLPA is having a conference call with its executive committee and negotiating committee tonight.

Renaud P Lavoie ‏@RenLavoieRDS
Negotiation committee and executive of the NHLPA will have a conf call soon. Talks to resume tonight or Saturday.

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Gary Bettman will address the media in five minutes.

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Ted Leonsis, Craig Leipold and Jeremy Jacobs just left the building with suitcases.


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The NHL hasn't been happy with the way these talks have been progressing. Wouldn't be surprised if Bettman issued an ultimatum.

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The NHL hasn't been happy with the way these talks have been progressing. Wouldn't be surprised if Bettman issued an ultimatum.
That would be the end.

Eventually the nhlpa would decertify.

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I just can't anymore.

I'm so sick of this bs. Its ruined my love for the game. This sport is being tarnished and ive had enough. These people couldnt care less.

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The NHL hasn't been happy with the way these talks have been progressing. Wouldn't be surprised if Bettman issued an ultimatum.
Bruce Garrioch? More like Luce Harricroch!

Also... Fan-****ing-tastic news. *******s.

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The thing that makes me the most angry about all this are the people directly affected by the lockout I'm not happy about not being able to see hockey, but it's nothing compared to how angry I am for the little guys that rely on these games and there being a season to feed their families

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Sweet, no progress in 4 days. RIP season

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