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11-09-2012, 07:35 AM
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Ottawa: Mark Stone

L.A: Tyler Toffoli

Mainly to get Toffoli and Shane Prince together again.

Who needs to add? And what exactly is added?

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11-09-2012, 08:40 AM
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I don't think la is going to give up one if there top prospects and top winger.

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11-09-2012, 09:24 AM
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I don't think la is going to give up one if there top prospects and top winger.
Maybe not, but the same can be said for Ottawa here. This is a trade both teams say no to.

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11-09-2012, 09:50 AM
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Toffoli is the Kings' best prospect. No chance of this happening.

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Stone > Toffoli

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Stone > Toffoli
I would agree, without a doubt.

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Toffoli is the Kings' best prospect. No chance of this happening.
There's are those who believe that Stone is Ottawa's best prospect...

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11-09-2012, 02:21 PM
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ToffToff doesn't have the frame or skating to translate all that well to the NHL. He'll be a 2nd liner if everything goes perfect. Stone has more potential.

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11-09-2012, 05:41 PM
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Prince will produce just as much if not more with Stone.

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11-09-2012, 05:57 PM
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I don't know about this stone guy, but I don't feel comfortable trading our top prospect for him. We have been high on toffoli for a long time now.

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11-09-2012, 06:04 PM
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I don't know about this stone guy, but I don't feel comfortable trading our top prospect for him. We have been high on toffoli for a long time now.
lol

you know nothing about him, so you dismiss him?

Stone is the guy who played for Canada while Tof was sitting on his butt.

Stone is the guy who outscored Toffoli quite handily last season.

Stone is the guy who stepped right into the NHL playoffs and recorded a point in his first and only game.

Stone is the guy who is a point per game in the AHL this year.

Just cause Toffoli is your #1, doesn't mean he's blue chip.

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11-09-2012, 06:08 PM
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They're probably similar in value. It seems like too much of a lateral move, imo.

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11-09-2012, 06:35 PM
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So Ottawa gets Mark Stone and LA gets Toffoli?

Seems pretty fair.

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It's a deal just to make a deal. The Kings are big on grooming their own players through their system. They already have a lot invested in Toffoli and he is highly regarded internally. We are set on centers, defense, and goaltending for the forseeable future, but we can not afford to play around with our wings and their depth. Unless we are packaging prospects and picks for a significant upgrade on the wings, I see no reason for LA to consider moving any wingers whatsoever.

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It's a deal just to make a deal. The Kings are big on grooming their own players through their system. They already have a lot invested in Toffoli and he is highly regarded internally. We are set on centers, defense, and goaltending for the forseeable future, but we can not afford to play around with our wings and their depth. Unless we are packaging prospects and picks for a significant upgrade on the wings, I see no reason for LA to consider moving any wingers whatsoever.
Mark Stone isn't a winger anymore apparently

news to me

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11-09-2012, 06:58 PM
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IMO Toffloli > Stone

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11-09-2012, 07:54 PM
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Yea I dont think king accept this deal at all. Toffoli is IMO better than stone.

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lol

you know nothing about him, so you dismiss him?

Stone is the guy who played for Canada while Tof was sitting on his butt.

Stone is the guy who outscored Toffoli quite handily last season.

Stone is the guy who stepped right into the NHL playoffs and recorded a point in his first and only game.

Stone is the guy who is a point per game in the AHL this year.

Just cause Toffoli is your #1, doesn't mean he's blue chip.
whoa dude calm down. I didn't dismiss him. I just didn't know anything about him so I said I don't feel comfortable. No need to try and show me up. Obviously I'm not Dean Lombardi and would know this kind of stuff. Its not like I said anythign bad about him.

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11-09-2012, 08:34 PM
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Mark Stone isn't a winger anymore apparently

news to me
I said that we have a lot invested in him, he is already integrated into the system, and we don't want to shake up our wingers. Unless you were offering a real top 6 winger, there is no need for us to shakeup the system. There is no way Lombardi would give up on Toffoli so soon after drafting him unless there was something out there that was going to upgrade our top 6 on the NHL level right now. There is no need to swap Toffoli just to make a deal, the organization is perfectly happy with him.

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haha, no way! stone will actually make the nhl!

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I said that we have a lot invested in him, he is already integrated into the system, and we don't want to shake up our wingers. Unless you were offering a real top 6 winger, there is no need for us to shakeup the system. There is no way Lombardi would give up on Toffoli so soon after drafting him unless there was something out there that was going to upgrade our top 6 on the NHL level right now. There is no need to swap Toffoli just to make a deal, the organization is perfectly happy with him.
In that post you mentioned one little bit about having a lot invested in him - most of the post was rambling about positions. Well, they play the same position, so discussion on that topic is quite irrelevant in this scenario.

The reason you swap him in this case is for a better prospect. Which Stone clearly is.

You have 2 of Brown/Williams/Carter as top 2 RWs. You really want/need/expect an upgrade?

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ToffToff doesn't have the frame or skating to translate all that well to the NHL. He'll be a 2nd liner if everything goes perfect. Stone has more potential.
if we are talking about skating stones isnt great haha....

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In that post you mentioned one little bit about having a lot invested in him - most of the post was rambling about positions. Well, they play the same position, so discussion on that topic is quite irrelevant in this scenario.

The reason you swap him in this case is for a better prospect. Which Stone clearly is.

You have 2 of Brown/Williams/Carter as top 2 RWs. You really want/need/expect an upgrade?
Uh no, in that post, I said that we have no interest in messing with our wings whatsoever, depth included, unless there was an upgrade available at the NHL level, and no we have no expectation of upgrading at the position right now, this topic wasn't brought up by Kings fans, but Ottawa fans that like Prince and the 67's.

I am not going to argue over prospect values and crystal balls, especially when there is a notion that Stone is better than Zibanejad and everyone else on the Ottawa depth chart. That's clearly a hornet's nest that nobody rational would walk into.

The only thing I am saying is that Lombardi wouldn't part with Toffoli unless there was an improvement to be made on the NHL roster today. He has done everything asked of him and more, he hasn't performed poorly in any way, shape, or form, and that means something to the Kings. That's it.

It's a deal that doesn't work or interest either team. There should be no offense had by either party.

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