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11-09-2012, 08:10 PM
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Or he is a bust.


a bust at 22

meaning frattin and colborne are also busts. lets trade them too
bring some logic in ur arguement

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11-09-2012, 08:18 PM
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this is what happens everytime he opens his mouth.
Kadri or Eakins?

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Or he is a bust.
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a bust at 22

meaning frattin and colborne are also busts. lets trade them too
bring some logic in ur arguement
Asking for logic is like asking the Sun to rise in the West.

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a bust at 22

meaning frattin and colborne are also busts. lets trade them too
bring some logic in ur arguement
Colbourne is definitely a bust. Frattin is what, 24 or 25? Whatever. Dime a dozen.

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Colbourne is definitely a bust. Frattin is what, 24 or 25? Whatever. Dime a dozen.
I still want a kid line. Kadri, Col, Frats

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Colbourne is definitely a bust. Frattin is what, 24 or 25? Whatever. Dime a dozen.
Fernando Pisani says hello.

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People keep saying that he has not had a fair shot in the NHL? How stupid is that. If he performed he would make his shot. He will not be "given" anything. Players have to earn it.

Kadri hasn't earned squat.

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Fernando Pisani says hello.
8th round pick. What's the relevance?

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8th round pick. What's the relevance?
People ready to write off 22-25yr old prospects when Pisani never made the NHL as a regular until he was 27yrs old and then scored 14 goals during the Oilers Cup Fianls run in 06 as a 29yr old.

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People keep saying that he has not had a fair shot in the NHL? How stupid is that. If he performed he would make his shot. He will not be "given" anything. Players have to earn it.

Kadri hasn't earned squat.
He has consistanly been among the most offensivley gifted players in the Leafs training camp. YEt he was shut down, for being too young, too small, too weak. Then he was labelled a defensive liability. How Convenient.
Then even though he could dance circles around most of the Leafs top 9 he is denied a spot because Burke insist that he be a top 6 forward.

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11-09-2012, 08:55 PM
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People ready to write off 22-25yr old prospects when Pisani never made the NHL as a regular until he was 27yrs old and then scored 14 goals during the Oilers Cup Fianls run in 06 as a 29yr old.
So you are saying we should wait until Kadri is 27 and if he puts up numbers comparable to Pisani he isn't a bust?

That's nuts !

Expectations for a 7th overall and 195th overall pick are completely different. I can't believe I had to type that.

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He has consistanly been among the most offensivley gifted players in the Leafs training camp. YEt he was shut down, for being too young, too small, too weak. Then he was labelled a defensive liability. How Convenient.
Then even though he could dance circles around most of the Leafs top 9 he is denied a spot because Burke insist that he be a top 6 forward.
Meanwhile he is a healthy scratch in the AHL.

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11-09-2012, 09:05 PM
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So you are saying we should wait until Kadri is 27 and if he puts up numbers comparable to Pisani he isn't a bust?

That's nuts !

Expectations for a 7th overall and 195th overall pick are completely different. I can't believe I had to type that.
I'm saying you can't write off every 22yr old kid who hasn't made the NHL as a BUST.

Where they were drafted is really irrelevant.

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Meanwhile he is a healthy scratch in the AHL.
Wasn't Stamkos a healthy scratch a few years ago?

Everyone takes their own path.

Just because Kadri isn't living up to your Next-Gretz expectations is no reason to dump him. Or dump on him.

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11-09-2012, 09:17 PM
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I'm saying you can't write off every 22yr old kid who hasn't made the NHL as a BUST.

Where they were drafted is really irrelevant.
It is very relevant. Especially when you consider cap hit, expectations etc.

In any case my opinion is on watching this guy for several years. He's a bust.

You think anybody cares about the Leafs 6th round picks?

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Meanwhile he is a healthy scratch in the AHL.
I have been saying this for over a year now. There is often hidden treasure to be found in teams discarding 22 to 25 yr old former first round picks that didnt pan out. Late bloomers often become good at the ages 24 - 26. If your scouts are good they can grab them for depth and for peanuts. I am not saying you are going to find a Kessel, but you could luck out.

To me, this may sound crazy but, in most cases I would sooner chance on a former 1st or 2nd who demonstrates potential and is 24, than 3rd and up rounders. That being said I would trade late picks for higher picks and late bloomers. Thats just based on my math and odds of getting a winner.

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11-09-2012, 09:19 PM
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Wasn't Stamkos a healthy scratch a few years ago?

Everyone takes their own path.

Just because Kadri isn't living up to your Next-Gretz expectations is no reason to dump him. Or dump on him.
I am not dumping on him. I declared him a 1st round bust. Lots of them out there. He's not alone.

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I have been saying this for over a year now. There is often hidden treasure to be found in teams discarding 22 to 25 yr old former first round picks that didnt pan out. Late bloomers often become good at the ages 24 - 26. If your scouts are good they can grab them for depth and for peanuts. I am not saying you are going to find a Kessel, but you could luck out.

To me, this may sound crazy but, in most cases I would sooner chance on a former 1st or 2nd who demonstrates potential and is 24, than 3rd and up rounders. That being said I would trade late picks for higher picks and late bloomers. Thats just based on my math and odds of getting a winner.
Typically what you end up with are decent role players ala the Boyle, Malholtra, Kilger, Sjostrom type players.

Kadri is a boom or bust. He isn't cut out to be a role player on the bottom lines. He's the typical high risk, high reward type. Those frequently bust.

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I am not dumping on him. I declared him a 1st round bust. Lots of them out there. He's not alone.
Some of these are circumstantial busts, if we get rid of Kadri, its because Wilson and our system failed him.

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I am not dumping on him. I declared him a 1st round bust. Lots of them out there. He's not alone.
So if he were say a 4th round pick you wouldn't care?

So the entire basis of your calling him a bust is that he was taken in the 1st round?

Dude...Seriously...Dude...Really?

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Some of these are circumstantial busts, if we get rid of Kadri, its because Wilson and our system failed him.
Or maybe he is just too slight and doesn't have the mental makeup to meet the expectations of a 7th overall pick. Wilson isn't coaching him in the AHL. Majority of his pro hockey has had nothing to do with Ron Wilson.

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Typically what you end up with are decent role players ala the Boyle, Malholtra, Kilger, Sjostrom type players.

Kadri is a boom or bust. He isn't cut out to be a role player on the bottom lines. He's the typical high risk, high reward type. Those frequently bust.
Yes exactly what you end up with which can be packaged and combined with later picks for higher picks or used. If I were sold on that I would Bozak him out of town. Ie. Play him in the nhl on the best line between Kessel and Lupul hope he put up good numbers and send him off like I hope we do with Dynamo Bozak, the spark of Kessel Lupul express.

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It is very relevant. Especially when you consider cap hit, expectations etc.

In any case my opinion is on watching this guy for several years. He's a bust.

You think anybody cares about the Leafs 6th round picks?
He is a KID.

When he was drafted he was an 18yr old KID.

KIDs develop differently.

As for Leafs 6th round picks, I was very fond of Didimenico. KInd of like Kaberle too, he was from somewhere around there.

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So if he were say a 4th round pick you wouldn't care?

So the entire basis of your calling him a bust is that he was taken in the 1st round?

Dude...Seriously...Dude...Really?
Expectations for a fourth rounder are completely different. If a fourth rounder makes your top 6 it's a bonus. If a top ten pick doesn't he's a bust. Simple.

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Typically what you end up with are decent role players ala the Boyle, Malholtra, Kilger, Sjostrom type players.

Kadri is a boom or bust. He isn't cut out to be a role player on the bottom lines. He's the typical high risk, high reward type. Those frequently bust.
Why not?

By all accounts he is one heck of a pest who regularly draws penalties.

Not to mention his gift, his Nifty Mittens, which would be useful during shootouts, and on the 2nd pp unit.

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Expectations for a fourth rounder are completely different. If a fourth rounder makes your top 6 it's a bonus. If a top ten pick doesn't he's a bust. Simple.
That is just wrong.

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