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11-09-2012, 09:34 PM
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He is a KID.

When he was drafted he was an 18yr old KID.

KIDs develop differently.

As for Leafs 6th round picks, I was very fond of Didimenico. KInd of like Kaberle too, he was from somewhere around there.
Justify as you wish. He's a bust as far as I am concerned.

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Expectations for a fourth rounder are completely different. If a fourth rounder makes your top 6 it's a bonus. If a top ten pick doesn't he's a bust. Simple.
You think Aulie 4th for Ashton 1st was a good gamble? He was declared bust by them.

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You think Aulie 4th for Ashton 1st was a good gamble? He was declared bust by them.
No bad trade. Ashton is another bust. Burke likes to pick up these projects.

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11-09-2012, 09:37 PM
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Justify as you wish. He's a bust as far as I am concerned.
Glad you aren't in charge of shipping players out of town.

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No bad trade. Ashton is another bust. Burke likes to pick up these projects.
I like projects too, just saying. How about the team itself? Who is the deadweight on the big club?

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No bad trade. Ashton is another bust. Burke likes to pick up these projects.
So a 27yr old Aston plays on our 4th line and scores 4 goals in the playoffs.

Is he still a bust?

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I like projects too, just saying. How about the team itself? Who is the deadweight on the big club?
Loaded question? Lots of dead weight on a bottom feeder.

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So a 27yr old Aston plays on our 4th line and scores 4 goals in the playoffs.

Is he still a bust?
Yes. 1st rounder on the 4th line. Lol

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Gatorade, do you realise Chris Phillips was a #1 overall pick?

Lidstrom was taken in the 3rd round.

Bondra was taken in the 8th round.

Draft position is not everything.

High draft position tends to mean that at some point the player was thought of very highly compared to his peers.

I like how BUrke seems to collect former 1st round picks. I think it is a good idea. But I am not ragging on a guy because he was a 1st round pick and plays on the 3rd or 4th line.

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Yes. 1st rounder on the 4th line. Lol
What serves the franchis more?

A 1st round pick on the 4th line or 5 3rd round picks that never play?

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Gatorade, do you realise Chris Phillips was a #1 overall pick?

Lidstrom was taken in the 3rd round.

Bondra was taken in the 8th round.

Draft position is not everything.

High draft position tends to mean that at some point the player was thought of very highly compared to his peers.

I like how BUrke seems to collect former 1st round picks. I think it is a good idea. But I am not ragging on a guy because he was a 1st round pick and plays on the 3rd or 4th line.
All I am saying is Kadri is a bust. If he's a third liner you have a very poor hockey team.

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What serves the franchis more?

A 1st round pick on the 4th line or 5 3rd round picks that never play?
What serves the team best is having the right players in the right roles.

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All I am saying is Kadri is a bust. If he's a third liner you have a very poor hockey team.
So you think every top 10 pick not playing in the top 6 on an NHL team is a bust?

Is this what you are saying?

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Before I start, I would like to say this...

People saying kadri is a "third liner" at best are ****ing retarded.

Honestly, I think kadri needs a change of scenery. Some players play well under certain cities, Clearly something happened between him and the franchise so far which is hurting the kid.

It;s obvious because of his ridiculously high talent potential, He has a good shot, handles the puck extremely well, yet he simply can't seem to get things going ever.

Honestly If he does get traded, I think he would fit fantastically with a team like vancouver.

Vancouver needs a center on the 3rd/2nd line, They have some great mentors like sedins, and some big character guys like malholtra and higgins.

Playing with guys like higgins or burrows for a bit, or even booth, They really help out there strengths, because all three are very hard workers and he will learn fast that he needs to show up.

I dono about you guys, But I would do Luongo for kadri straight up.

Simple proposal, Leafs get elite goalie with a bad contract. Canucks get a top prospect who is struggling with his current team.

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11-09-2012, 09:53 PM
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So you think every top 10 pick not playing in the top 6 on an NHL team is a bust?

Is this what you are saying?
Nope. There are exceptions.

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Before I start, I would like to say this...

People saying kadri is a "third liner" at best are ****ing retarded.

Honestly, I think kadri needs a change of scenery. Some players play well under certain cities, Clearly something happened between him and the franchise so far which is hurting the kid.

It;s obvious because of his ridiculously high talent potential, He has a good shot, handles the puck extremely well, yet he simply can't seem to get things going ever.

Honestly If he does get traded, I think he would fit fantastically with a team like vancouver.

Vancouver needs a center on the 3rd/2nd line, They have some great mentors like sedins, and some big character guys like malholtra and higgins.

Playing with guys like higgins or burrows for a bit, or even booth, They really help out there strengths, because all three are very hard workers and he will learn fast that he needs to show up.

I dono about you guys, But I would do Luongo for kadri straight up.

Simple proposal, Leafs get elite goalie with a bad contract. Canucks get a top prospect who is struggling with his current team.
Id do that

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11-09-2012, 10:03 PM
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What serves the team best is having the right players in the right roles.
So why does Kadri have to be a top 6 forward?

From what I see I would want him as a 3rd line pest.

More skill than Tucker but no fighting.

PLayers can player strange roles. Hell PEter Zezel is known around here as the C on the best checking/pest line of the last 30yrs. He also Scored 33g as a 21yr old and later Center'd Brett Hull in STL.

BTW: When HUll went from Zezel to Oates, HUll went from 41 to 72 goals. No parrallel with Kessel and Bozak or anything. really

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Nope. There are exceptions.


So why is Kadri not an exception?


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Sorry but kadri as a third line pest?, Have some of the leaf fans actually watched this kid BEFORE this year?.

Absolute lunacy, this kid has top line talent, he is not gonna be a third line grinder, he shouldn't be a third line grinder.

I am seriously shocked at how many leaf fans have gave up or about to give up on this kid.

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11-09-2012, 10:07 PM
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So why does Kadri have to be a top 6 forward?

From what I see I would want him as a 3rd line pest.

More skill than Tucker but no fighting.

PLayers can player strange roles. Hell PEter Zezel is known around here as the C on the best checking/pest line of the last 30yrs. He also Scored 33g as a 21yr old and later Center'd Brett Hull in STL.

BTW: When HUll went from Zezel to Oates, HUll went from 41 to 72 goals. No parrallel with Kessel and Bozak or anything. really
Kadri would get his ass handed to him as a pest in the NHL. Besides Burke doesn't like the role of a rat.

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11-09-2012, 10:09 PM
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So why is Kadri not an exception?

Because he isn't strong enough to hold onto the puck much less be a shutdown checker. It would be embarrassing. Like I said earlier, if Kadri is on your third line you have a poor hockey team.

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Because he isn't strong enough to hold onto the puck much less be a shutdown checker. It would be embarrassing. Like I said earlier, if Kadri is on your third line you have a poor hockey team.
Zack kassian is penciled in on the 2nd line, so going by that analogy, the canucks are a bad team.

Sometimes a player needs a Chance to shine, and kadri certainly was not bad for the leafs when he played there.

I dono why I am getting so aggravated tonight with these kadri comments, but the treatment of this kid is ridiculous.

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11-09-2012, 10:12 PM
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Sorry but kadri as a third line pest?, Have some of the leaf fans actually watched this kid BEFORE this year?.

Absolute lunacy, this kid has top line talent, he is not gonna be a third line grinder, he shouldn't be a third line grinder.

I am seriously shocked at how many leaf fans have gave up or about to give up on this kid.
Welcome to the "what have you done for me lately" Leafland. This fanbase is about 50% filled with Helen Lovejoys.

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Zack kassian is penciled in on the 2nd line, so going by that analogy, the canucks are a bad team.

Sometimes a player needs a Chance to shine, and kadri certainly was not bad for the leafs when he played there.

I dono why I am getting so aggravated tonight with these kadri comments, but the treatment of this kid is ridiculous.
That's unfortunate.

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Before I start, I would like to say this...

People saying kadri is a "third liner" at best are ****ing retarded.



I love it. I knew I should have read your, post before I wrote mine.

I think Kadri would make a perfect 3rd liner.

Is it his "at Best"?

NO. At best he is St. Louis v.2. But that is just a wet dream.

I think at best Vinny Prospal...? Maybe

I am happy with an offensive pest on the 3rd line, however. A guy who gets 14min a night with 2nd pp time and can pot 20-25g.


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Honestly, I think kadri needs a change of scenery. Some players play well under certain cities, Clearly something happened between him and the franchise so far which is hurting the kid.

It;s obvious because of his ridiculously high talent potential, He has a good shot, handles the puck extremely well, yet he simply can't seem to get things going ever.

Honestly If he does get traded, I think he would fit fantastically with a team like vancouver.
Haha,

While I agree Kadri would be better off somewhere else I want to keep him.

Now as for going to Vancouver.....

Much like LUongo why would he want to go to one of the other top 3 craziest hockey markets?

HE has no say in where he goes but I bet Phoenix or Miami would look pretty good right now.


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I dono about you guys, But I would do Luongo for kadri straight up.

Simple proposal, Leafs get elite goalie with a bad contract. Canucks get a top prospect who is struggling with his current team.
If Luongos deal goes back on VAN if he retires, sure.

I would rather give Kadri for Backstrom or Kipprussoff if I knew I had them for 2 years.

I still say the 7th for Vokoun was the biggest miss.

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