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11-09-2012, 10:28 PM
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Because he isn't strong enough to hold onto the puck much less be a shutdown checker. It would be embarrassing. Like I said earlier, if Kadri is on your third line you have a poor hockey team.
Avery wasn't a shut down checker!

Tucker wasn't a shut down checker!

LEmieux was not a shut down checker!

McCArty?
Maltby?
DRaper ya but the other 2 no. and that is one of the best "checking" lines in the last 30yrs.

I think if you have a talent like Kadri on your 3rd line you must be a deep talented team.

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I love it. I knew I should have read your, post before I wrote mine.

I think Kadri would make a perfect 3rd liner.

Is it his "at Best"?

NO. At best he is St. Louis v.2. But that is just a wet dream.

I think at best Vinny Prospal...? Maybe

I am happy with an offensive pest on the 3rd line, however. A guy who gets 14min a night with 2nd pp time and can pot 20-25g.




Haha,

While I agree Kadri would be better off somewhere else I want to keep him.

Now as for going to Vancouver.....

Much like LUongo why would he want to go to one of the other top 3 craziest hockey markets?

HE has no say in where he goes but I bet Phoenix or Miami would look pretty good right now.




If Luongos deal goes back on VAN if he retires, sure.

I would rather give Kadri for Backstrom or Kipprussoff if I knew I had them for 2 years.

I still say the 7th for Vokoun was the biggest miss.
Yes the vokoun was a miss, but Vokoun would not be the answer anyways, just a stop gap.

Luongo could / will solve the leafs goaltending issues for at least 5/7 years.

I dono I think people just hit a nerve with me today

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Avery wasn't a shut down checker!

Tucker wasn't a shut down checker!

LEmieux was not a shut down checker!

McCArty?
Maltby?
DRaper ya but the other 2 no. and that is one of the best "checking" lines in the last 30yrs.

I think if you have a talent like Kadri on your 3rd line you must be a deep talented team.
Let me add to that,

Burrows was also a third line checker, Don't forget a guy like kesler who Nobody saw him as an elite two way player.

Burrows is a perfect example of a kid who took advantage of a situation, who has infinite more talent then people thought.

Kadri needs a serious chance, play him a significant amount of games with top line players, since he is a top line "type" player, and develop the kid.

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Sorry but kadri as a third line pest?, Have some of the leaf fans actually watched this kid BEFORE this year?.

Absolute lunacy, this kid has top line talent, he is not gonna be a third line grinder, he shouldn't be a third line grinder.

I am seriously shocked at how many leaf fans have gave up or about to give up on this kid.
If he continues to make "rookie' mistakes then he can't be given top 6 TIO.

IF you just told this kid to go out and hit everyhing that moved I guaranteed you he would create scoring chances, and with his elite stick skills he will put up points.

He already draws penalties. A pest is a perfect fit for him if he can't take the step to top 6.

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11-09-2012, 10:34 PM
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Avery wasn't a shut down checker!

Tucker wasn't a shut down checker!

LEmieux was not a shut down checker!

McCArty?
Maltby?
DRaper ya but the other 2 no. and that is one of the best "checking" lines in the last 30yrs.

I think if you have a talent like Kadri on your 3rd line you must be a deep talented team.
Are the Leafs a deep talented team?

Comparing Kadri to those guys just proves my point. Bust.

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He has consistanly been among the most offensivley gifted players in the Leafs training camp. YEt he was shut down, for being too young, too small, too weak. Then he was labelled a defensive liability. How Convenient.
Then even though he could dance circles around most of the Leafs top 9 he is denied a spot because Burke insist that he be a top 6 forward.
Well he has danced himself to a -3 and 3 assists in 9 AHL games......AHL!

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Let me add to that,

Burrows was also a third line checker, Don't forget a guy like kesler who Nobody saw him as an elite two way player.

Burrows is a perfect example of a kid who took advantage of a situation, who has infinite more talent then people thought.

Kadri needs a serious chance, play him a significant amount of games with top line players, since he is a top line "type" player, and develop the kid.
As far as offensive dangerousness goes, I think...

He is either the #3 guy on the 1st line, #2 guy on the 2nd line or he is the #1 guy on the 3rd line.

Anyone of those scenarios and I am happy.

If he is in any of those situations I think Toronto is icing a winning team.

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Are the Leafs a deep talented team?

Comparing Kadri to those guys just proves my point. Bust.
So you wouldn't want a Tucker, Avery or Lemieux???

Will you please give me someting to quote to that effect?

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So you wouldn't want a Tucker, Avery or Lemieux???

Will you please give me someting to quote to that effect?
No. Especially at 7th overall. Besides, I despised each of those players. Avery was dumped to the minors and Tucker was bought out. You really think that is value at 7th overall?

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Well he has danced himself to a -3 and 3 assists in 9 AHL games......AHL!
Kind of seems the whole team is snakebit.



Way to ruin the love-in we're having for Kadri

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So if he were say a 4th round pick you wouldn't care?

So the entire basis of your calling him a bust is that he was taken in the 1st round?

Dude...Seriously...Dude...Really?
My friend, of course there are different expectations to where a player is drafted. If not, scouts would not be needed.

We dont give a crap to a certain extent if a player busts in the 4th round, but a bust in the first round is a different story. Those picks don't come along very often that can affect a team in such a way.

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Well he has danced himself to a -3 and 3 assists in 9 AHL games......AHL!
Healthy scratch in the AHL tonight.

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No. Especially at 7th overall. Besides, I despised each of those players. Avery was dumped to the minors and Tucker was bought out. You really think that is value at 7th overall?
Lemieux won the freaking CONN SMYTHE.

Tucker and Avery were both effective pest type players in the NHL, and Kadri has more skill than both.

Those two combined for over 300g and almost 3000PIMs between them and that's with Avery going bat**** crazy in his prime.

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Lemieux won the freaking CONN SMYTHE.

Tucker and Avery were both effective pest type players in the NHL, and Kadri has more skill than both.

Those two combined for over 300g and almost 3000PIMs between them and that's with Avery going bat**** crazy in his prime.
Hated all of them.

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Healthy scratch in the AHL tonight.
Yea, I know. Fact is, sometimes players bust. Some here just can't come to accept it. Kadri is a bust and he certainly has not earned a spot anywhere.

He came into camp overweight, not because Roberts put muscle on him, but because he stuffed his gut with donuts in the off season. Eakins even said it.

Kadri needs to be shipped somewhere in exchange for another "bust" player. A change of scenery can often help both players.

I never liked the kid. His talent is good, but he can't skate through guys shift after shift and not give a crap when he loses the puck.

Kadri was way to "Media'd" and maybe his head got too big for that skrawny body of his.

Johhny Dangles all over again. Remember that guy?

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My friend, of course there are different expectations to where a player is drafted. If not, scouts would not be needed.

We dont give a crap to a certain extent if a player busts in the 4th round, but a bust in the first round is a different story. Those picks don't come along very often that can affect a team in such a way.
I agree to some extent.

There are those players that step in and dominate the NHL at a young age and there are those who don't.

If you aren't in the NHL by 20 like Stamkos and Toews you likely are going to take a few more years to develop.

Once you are in the few more years to develop pile, 1st pick or 6th pick it doesn't matter anymore.

NOw you have to remember Kadri was a #7 pick, not a #2 or #3.
This isn't Backstrom and Kessel we're talking about here!

OR not like JVR and TURRIS.

So if Kadri takes a few years to develop so be it.

If your pissed that Kadri hasn't centered Kessel for 2 years already then that is your own issue. It isn't the kids fault.

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Hated all of them.
So.

Do you deny their ability?

You are letting your emotions get in the road of your logic.

Do you not remember how important Tucker was to this franchise?

Don't answer.

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Lemieux won the freaking CONN SMYTHE.

Tucker and Avery were both effective pest type players in the NHL, and Kadri has more skill than both.

Those two combined for over 300g and almost 3000PIMs between them and that's with Avery going bat**** crazy in his prime.
Skill is one thing, but skill alone will not get you a spot on any pro sport team. There are many other intangibles that need to go with it.

Anyone can dangle, but not everyone has passion, dedication, hockey sense etc.

Kadri is a one trick pony and has refused to learn....in 3 years.

Sorry dude, just a realist here.

Players bust all the time, but here in leaf land, it seems that we tend to hold on to false hope for too long on some players.

You can name his individual skill set in the form of tactics, and for every one you name, I can name 2 other things that are negatives about his game. All you have is his ability to dangle and make the occasional nice pass. Thats it my friend. Takes a lot more than that to make it in the NHL.

Besides, on a healthy team, who would you knock off that Kadri is better than?

Kadri has to EARN his spot. He is failing misserably right now, and he has one of the best minor hockey coaches on the planet. If you cant learn under Dallas Eakins, then maybe you can't learn at all.

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So.

Do you deny their ability?

You are letting your emotions get in the road of your logic.

Do you not remember how important Tucker was to this franchise?

Don't answer.
Tucker had his moments but lets not pretend the Leafs won anything with him in the lineup.

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Yea, I know. Fact is, sometimes players bust. Some here just can't come to accept it. Kadri is a bust and he certainly has not earned a spot anywhere.
Let him sweat it out in the AHL for a few years.

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He came into camp overweight, not because Roberts put muscle on him, but because he stuffed his gut with donuts in the off season. Eakins even said it.
IF you are eating a high carb diet to put on muscle, you will be putting on fat. Since cardio work is counter to bulk work you can't do both quickly at he same time.

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Kadri needs to be shipped somewhere in exchange for another "bust" player. A change of scenery can often help both players.
Why?

Why sell when we've all seen the tallent?

What will we get? Another Ashton, Colborne or Paradis?

I never liked the kid. His talent is good, but he can't skate through guys shift after shift and not give a crap when he loses the puck.

Kadri was way to "Media'd" and maybe his head got too big for that skrawny body of his.

Johhny Dangles all over again. Remember that guy?[/QUOTE]

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After Paradis it is not my post.

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I agree to some extent.

There are those players that step in and dominate the NHL at a young age and there are those who don't.

If you aren't in the NHL by 20 like Stamkos and Toews you likely are going to take a few more years to develop.

Once you are in the few more years to develop pile, 1st pick or 6th pick it doesn't matter anymore.

NOw you have to remember Kadri was a #7 pick, not a #2 or #3.
This isn't Backstrom and Kessel we're talking about here!

OR not like JVR and TURRIS.

So if Kadri takes a few years to develop so be it.

If your pissed that Kadri hasn't centered Kessel for 2 years already then that is your own issue. It isn't the kids fault.

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You know, the world can sometimes be upside down. You and I are usually in agreement and Gatorade and I are usually in disagreement. But this comes down to common sense at the end of the day.

Bottom line is, Kadri has not earned anything to knock off an NHL player, he is clearly regressing at the AHL level. That spells bust IMO. Hey, do I want him to turn into a superstar? You betcha. But to this point, he is nothing more than an average AHL'er and regressing.

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I never liked the kid. His talent is good, but he can't skate through guys shift after shift and not give a crap when he loses the puck.

Kadri was way to "Media'd" and maybe his head got too big for that skrawny body of his.

Johhny Dangles all over again. Remember that guy?
[/QUOTE]

YUp which is why he should be getting in **** from NHLers and not getting away with it in the AHL.

How can Zigomanis say anything to Kadri?

Phaneuf can knock some sense into him.

NHL/AHL

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YUp which is why he should be getting in **** from NHLers and not getting away with it in the AHL.

How can Zigomanis say anything to Kadri?

Phaneuf can knock some sense into him.

NHL/AHL[/QUOTE]

It's not his team mates job to coach and motivate him.

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This year is a throw away year for Kadri. He came into camp out of shape and looks terrible to start the season (any correlation?). At best he will be as good as he was last year. I don't mind him playing the full year in the AHL and seeing what he brings next season with a full and strong off-season.

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