Because he isn't strong enough to hold onto the puck much less be a shutdown checker. It would be embarrassing. Like I said earlier, if Kadri is on your third line you have a poor hockey team.
Avery wasn't a shut down checker!
Tucker wasn't a shut down checker!
LEmieux was not a shut down checker!
McCArty?
Maltby?
DRaper ya but the other 2 no. and that is one of the best "checking" lines in the last 30yrs.
I think if you have a talent like Kadri on your 3rd line you must be a deep talented team.
Sorry but kadri as a third line pest?, Have some of the leaf fans actually watched this kid BEFORE this year?.
Absolute lunacy, this kid has top line talent, he is not gonna be a third line grinder, he shouldn't be a third line grinder.
I am seriously shocked at how many leaf fans have gave up or about to give up on this kid.
If he continues to make "rookie' mistakes then he can't be given top 6 TIO.
IF you just told this kid to go out and hit everyhing that moved I guaranteed you he would create scoring chances, and with his elite stick skills he will put up points.
He already draws penalties. A pest is a perfect fit for him if he can't take the step to top 6.
He has consistanly been among the most offensivley gifted players in the Leafs training camp. YEt he was shut down, for being too young, too small, too weak. Then he was labelled a defensive liability. How Convenient.
Then even though he could dance circles around most of the Leafs top 9 he is denied a spot because Burke insist that he be a top 6 forward.
Well he has danced himself to a -3 and 3 assists in 9 AHL games......AHL!
So you wouldn't want a Tucker, Avery or Lemieux???
Will you please give me someting to quote to that effect?
No. Especially at 7th overall. Besides, I despised each of those players. Avery was dumped to the minors and Tucker was bought out. You really think that is value at 7th overall?
So if he were say a 4th round pick you wouldn't care?
So the entire basis of your calling him a bust is that he was taken in the 1st round?
Dude...Seriously...Dude...Really?
My friend, of course there are different expectations to where a player is drafted. If not, scouts would not be needed.
We dont give a crap to a certain extent if a player busts in the 4th round, but a bust in the first round is a different story. Those picks don't come along very often that can affect a team in such a way.
No. Especially at 7th overall. Besides, I despised each of those players. Avery was dumped to the minors and Tucker was bought out. You really think that is value at 7th overall?
Lemieux won the freaking CONN SMYTHE.
Tucker and Avery were both effective pest type players in the NHL, and Kadri has more skill than both.
Those two combined for over 300g and almost 3000PIMs between them and that's with Avery going bat**** crazy in his prime.
Yea, I know. Fact is, sometimes players bust. Some here just can't come to accept it. Kadri is a bust and he certainly has not earned a spot anywhere.
He came into camp overweight, not because Roberts put muscle on him, but because he stuffed his gut with donuts in the off season. Eakins even said it.
Kadri needs to be shipped somewhere in exchange for another "bust" player. A change of scenery can often help both players.
I never liked the kid. His talent is good, but he can't skate through guys shift after shift and not give a crap when he loses the puck.
Kadri was way to "Media'd" and maybe his head got too big for that skrawny body of his.
My friend, of course there are different expectations to where a player is drafted. If not, scouts would not be needed.
We dont give a crap to a certain extent if a player busts in the 4th round, but a bust in the first round is a different story. Those picks don't come along very often that can affect a team in such a way.
I agree to some extent.
There are those players that step in and dominate the NHL at a young age and there are those who don't.
If you aren't in the NHL by 20 like Stamkos and Toews you likely are going to take a few more years to develop.
Once you are in the few more years to develop pile, 1st pick or 6th pick it doesn't matter anymore.
NOw you have to remember Kadri was a #7 pick, not a #2 or #3.
This isn't Backstrom and Kessel we're talking about here!
OR not like JVR and TURRIS.
So if Kadri takes a few years to develop so be it.
If your pissed that Kadri hasn't centered Kessel for 2 years already then that is your own issue. It isn't the kids fault.
Tucker and Avery were both effective pest type players in the NHL, and Kadri has more skill than both.
Those two combined for over 300g and almost 3000PIMs between them and that's with Avery going bat**** crazy in his prime.
Skill is one thing, but skill alone will not get you a spot on any pro sport team. There are many other intangibles that need to go with it.
Anyone can dangle, but not everyone has passion, dedication, hockey sense etc.
Kadri is a one trick pony and has refused to learn....in 3 years.
Sorry dude, just a realist here.
Players bust all the time, but here in leaf land, it seems that we tend to hold on to false hope for too long on some players.
You can name his individual skill set in the form of tactics, and for every one you name, I can name 2 other things that are negatives about his game. All you have is his ability to dangle and make the occasional nice pass. Thats it my friend. Takes a lot more than that to make it in the NHL.
Besides, on a healthy team, who would you knock off that Kadri is better than?
Kadri has to EARN his spot. He is failing misserably right now, and he has one of the best minor hockey coaches on the planet. If you cant learn under Dallas Eakins, then maybe you can't learn at all.
Yea, I know. Fact is, sometimes players bust. Some here just can't come to accept it. Kadri is a bust and he certainly has not earned a spot anywhere.
Let him sweat it out in the AHL for a few years.
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He came into camp overweight, not because Roberts put muscle on him, but because he stuffed his gut with donuts in the off season. Eakins even said it.
IF you are eating a high carb diet to put on muscle, you will be putting on fat. Since cardio work is counter to bulk work you can't do both quickly at he same time.
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Kadri needs to be shipped somewhere in exchange for another "bust" player. A change of scenery can often help both players.
Why?
Why sell when we've all seen the tallent?
What will we get? Another Ashton, Colborne or Paradis?
I never liked the kid. His talent is good, but he can't skate through guys shift after shift and not give a crap when he loses the puck.
Kadri was way to "Media'd" and maybe his head got too big for that skrawny body of his.
Johhny Dangles all over again. Remember that guy?[/QUOTE]
There are those players that step in and dominate the NHL at a young age and there are those who don't.
If you aren't in the NHL by 20 like Stamkos and Toews you likely are going to take a few more years to develop.
Once you are in the few more years to develop pile, 1st pick or 6th pick it doesn't matter anymore.
NOw you have to remember Kadri was a #7 pick, not a #2 or #3.
This isn't Backstrom and Kessel we're talking about here!
OR not like JVR and TURRIS.
So if Kadri takes a few years to develop so be it.
If your pissed that Kadri hasn't centered Kessel for 2 years already then that is your own issue. It isn't the kids fault.
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You know, the world can sometimes be upside down. You and I are usually in agreement and Gatorade and I are usually in disagreement. But this comes down to common sense at the end of the day.
Bottom line is, Kadri has not earned anything to knock off an NHL player, he is clearly regressing at the AHL level. That spells bust IMO. Hey, do I want him to turn into a superstar? You betcha. But to this point, he is nothing more than an average AHL'er and regressing.
This year is a throw away year for Kadri. He came into camp out of shape and looks terrible to start the season (any correlation?). At best he will be as good as he was last year. I don't mind him playing the full year in the AHL and seeing what he brings next season with a full and strong off-season.
