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11-05-2012, 11:14 AM
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Put together a chunk of stats for the players HF considers our Top 20.

Also added Irving and Backlund, as they're still young enough to be considered "prospects"

Name HF Rank League GP G A PTS PIM +/-
Aliu, Akim 6.5 C AHL 7 0 1 1 19 0
Arnold, Bill 6.5 C H-East 7 3 5 8 8 0
Backlund, Mikael 8.0 C SEL 10 8 11 19 4 6
Baertschi, Sven 8.0 B AHL 9 4 7 11 12 5
Bouma, Lance 6.0 B AHL 3 1 0 1 2 0
Brodie, T.J. 7.0 B AHL 9 1 5 6 4 4
Byron, Paul 6.5 C Injured 0 0 0 0 0 0
Ferland, Michael 7.0 D AHL 1 0 0 0 0 0
Gaudreau, John 7.5 D H-East 7 4 5 9 4 0
Granlund, Markus 7.0 D SM-liiga 19 4 7 11 2 3
Horak, Roman 6.5 B AHL 9 10 1 11 6 4
Howse, Ryan 7.0 D ECHL 5 1 0 1 4 0
Jankowski, Mark 7.5 D H-East 8 3 1 4 4 -2
Nemisz, Greg 7.0 C Injured 0 0 0 0 0 0
Ramage, John 6.5 C WCHA 6 0 0 0 8 0
Reinhart, Max 7.5 C AHL 9 0 2 2 8 -3
Sieloff, Patrick 6.5 C OHL 19 3 3 6 31 -2
Wotherspoon, Tyler 6.5 C WHL 14 1 12 13 4 17

Name HF Rank League GP MIN GA GAA SV SV% W L T/OTL SO
Brossoit, Laurent 6.5 C WHL 11 674 31 2.76 270 0.897 7 1 3 0
Gilles, Jon 7.0 D H-East 8 466 14 1.80 192 0.932 4 3 1 1
Irving, Leland 7.0 B AHL 2 125 5 2.40 54 0.915 1 0 1 0
Ortio, Joni 6.5 C SM-liiga 19 1123 42 2.24 475 0.919 8 8 3 2

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11-05-2012, 11:45 AM
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Awesome table.

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11-05-2012, 01:55 PM
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Put together a chunk of stats for the players HF considers our Top 20.

Also added Irving and Backlund, as they're still young enough to be considered "prospects"

Name HF Rank League GP G A PTS PIM +/-
Aliu, Akim 6.5 C AHL 7 0 1 1 19 0
Arnold, Bill 6.5 C H-East 7 3 5 8 8 0
Backlund, Mikael 8.0 C SEL 10 8 11 19 4 6
Baertschi, Sven 8.0 B AHL 9 4 7 11 12 5
Bouma, Lance 6.0 B AHL 3 1 0 1 2 0
Brodie, T.J. 7.0 B AHL 9 1 5 6 4 4
Byron, Paul 6.5 C Injured 0 0 0 0 0 0
Ferland, Michael 7.0 D AHL 1 0 0 0 0 0
Gaudreau, John 7.5 D H-East 7 4 5 9 4 0
Granlund, Markus 7.0 D SM-liiga 19 4 7 11 2 3
Horak, Roman 6.5 B AHL 9 10 1 11 6 4
Howse, Ryan 7.0 D ECHL 5 1 0 1 4 0
Jankowski, Mark 7.5 D H-East 8 3 1 4 4 -2
Nemisz, Greg 7.0 C Injured 0 0 0 0 0 0
Ramage, John 6.5 C WCHA 6 0 0 0 8 0
Reinhart, Max 7.5 C AHL 9 0 2 2 8 -3
Sieloff, Patrick 6.5 C OHL 19 3 3 6 31 -2
Wotherspoon, Tyler 6.5 C WHL 14 1 12 13 4 17

Name HF Rank League GP MIN GA GAA SV SV% W L T/OTL SO
Brossoit, Laurent 6.5 C WHL 11 674 31 2.76 270 0.897 7 1 3 0
Gilles, Jon 7.0 D H-East 8 466 14 1.80 192 0.932 4 3 1 1
Irving, Leland 7.0 B AHL 2 125 5 2.40 54 0.915 1 0 1 0
Ortio, Joni 6.5 C SM-liiga 19 1123 42 2.24 475 0.919 8 8 3 2
Great job. Really illustrates a couple of weird rankings, like how Reinhart has the same upside an Gaudreau & Jankowski, yet is more likely to reach it...I don't really see the same upside in Reinhart myself, I would have made him probably a 7.0 B myself.

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11-05-2012, 02:03 PM
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Backlund is not in the SEL he is in the Swedish #2 league.

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11-05-2012, 04:55 PM
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If Howse doesn't get it going, his pro career does not look as though it will be a long one.

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11-06-2012, 12:13 AM
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Great job. Really illustrates a couple of weird rankings, like how Reinhart has the same upside an Gaudreau & Jankowski, yet is more likely to reach it...I don't really see the same upside in Reinhart myself, I would have made him probably a 7.0 B myself.
I think a few guys are underrated as prospects.

Maybe I view the rating system differently than they do when I grade guys? I look at the low end and high end I estimate for each player

Like for Jankowski, at worst I see him as a 3rd liner in the NHL, which is a 6.0 according to their rating system. At best I see him as a first line center which according to their rating system is a 8.0. So I would hive him a number of 8.0 because that is likely his best, the letter represents the difference between low end and high end or the drop between the two. Since I rate his low end to be a 6.0 I can see a drop of 2, which would be a C letter grade. So Jankowski in my opinion gets a 8.0C

For someone like Reinhart I think his top end is a second line center or 7.0, but I do not see him being less than a 3rd line center or 6.0, so I would give him a 7.0B

But what do I know I am new to this and not some kind of HF rating guru.

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Backlund is not in the SEL he is in the Swedish #2 league.
I didn't know how to shorten Allsvenskan with anyone knowing what that meant.

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I didn't know how to shorten Allsvenskan with anyone knowing what that meant.
I think alot of sites use SWE-2 and SWE-1 for the Swedish leagues

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Did not know Matt DeBlouw has 3G and 7pts in 8 NCAA games

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Did not know Matt DeBlouw has 3G and 7pts in 8 NCAA games
4 of those were in one game. I highly doubt he keeps a slightly sub-PPG pace.

Meanwhile, John Gaudreau had a two-goal game and now has 11 points in 8 games and has a point in every game. Loving the consistency this guy is showing. I'd much rather have a guy who chips in every night than a guy who's invisible, has a 5 point night, and goes back to being invisible.

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I'm probably just about as excited about JG as I am about Baertschi

This kid's skill and will are undeniable

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I'm probably just about as excited about JG as I am about Baertschi

This kid's skill and will are undeniable
If he keeps it up there's a good chance he turns pro next year.

But I also remember him saying he wanted to play with his kid brother on BC but Matty Gaudreau isn't even close to be as good as Johnny so I doubt they'd even play together.

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4 of those were in one game. I highly doubt he keeps a slightly sub-PPG pace.

Meanwhile, John Gaudreau had a two-goal game and now has 11 points in 8 games and has a point in every game. Loving the consistency this guy is showing. I'd much rather have a guy who chips in every night than a guy who's invisible, has a 5 point night, and goes back to being invisible.
DeBlouw and Gaudreau are not even comparable.

Gaudreau is a high skill offensive player that has hopes to became the next small player to become a star.

Meanwhile DeBlouw is a defensive center who is a faceoff specialist who will exceed all expectations if he can become a 3rd line center.

The fact that DeBlouw had a 4 point game as a freshman while being a defensive and faceoff specialist is promising and very impressive.

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DeBlouw and Gaudreau are not even comparable.

Gaudreau is a high skill offensive player that has hopes to became the next small player to become a star.

Meanwhile DeBlouw is a defensive center who is a faceoff specialist who will exceed all expectations if he can become a 3rd line center.

The fact that DeBlouw had a 4 point game as a freshman while being a defensive and faceoff specialist is promising and very impressive.
I wasn't comparing them. I was praising Gaudreau's consistency, not knocking Deblouw for being inconsistent (which I don't think he is since scoring is not his thing anyway). Though reading back I can see why it may have seemed that way.

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If he keeps it up there's a good chance he turns pro next year.

But I also remember him saying he wanted to play with his kid brother on BC but Matty Gaudreau isn't even close to be as good as Johnny so I doubt they'd even play together.
It would be stupid if the Flames let Gaudreau turn pro next year. He is a guy that MUST not be rushed. Give him the full 4 years, let him bulk up. He shouldnt be in the NHL if his weight is not at least 170-175. The dude is 150 ish pounds. It doesnt matter how talented he is he will get man handled by NHL defenceman at that weight.

Gaudreau has a good shot at being an NHL player, but impatience will only hinder his chances.

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It would be stupid if the Flames let Gaudreau turn pro next year. He is a guy that MUST not be rushed. Give him the full 4 years, let him bulk up. He shouldnt be in the NHL if his weight is not at least 170-175. The dude is 150 ish pounds. It doesnt matter how talented he is he will get man handled by NHL defenceman at that weight.

Gaudreau has a good shot at being an NHL player, but impatience will only hinder his chances.
If he puts up 50+ points this year, what will he have left to prove? I'd much rather challenge Gaudreau by having him play against pro players in the AHL then letting his development stagnate in the NCAA. There are plenty of guys <170 who are effective NHL players.

By the way, I wasn't suggesting he jump to the NHL right away. He would have to dominate AHL competition first. NHL ready in 2014/2015 at the earliest.

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It would be stupid if the Flames let Gaudreau turn pro next year. He is a guy that MUST not be rushed. Give him the full 4 years, let him bulk up. He shouldnt be in the NHL if his weight is not at least 170-175. The dude is 150 ish pounds. It doesnt matter how talented he is he will get man handled by NHL defenceman at that weight.

Gaudreau has a good shot at being an NHL player, but impatience will only hinder his chances.
If Gaudrea can win the Hobey Baker and another NCAA championship what else does he have to accomplish at that level? He appears to be ready to move on to the next level next year, so it would not be stupid for him to go pro and spend some time under Ward in Abbotsford. Even @ 150lbs Gaudreau has a ton of lower body strength and is difficult to knock off the puck and wins puck battles as a result.

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I wasn't comparing them. I was praising Gaudreau's consistency, not knocking Deblouw for being inconsistent (which I don't think he is since scoring is not his thing anyway). Though reading back I can see why it may have seemed that way.
It really did seem that way, I am also very high on DeBlouw, after Jankowski and Seiloff he is my favorite pick from the 2013 draft.

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If he puts up 50+ points this year, what will he have left to prove? I'd much rather challenge Gaudreau by having him play against pro players in the AHL then letting his development stagnate in the NCAA. There are plenty of guys <170 who are effective NHL players.

By the way, I wasn't suggesting he jump to the NHL right away. He would have to dominate AHL competition first. NHL ready in 2014/2015 at the earliest.
Honestly I would like a list of players who are effective NHLers at <170 pounds, because besides Erik Karlson (I think) I could not think of any. He should at least get at 3 years at college. There may not be "much left to prove" but physically there is a massive difference between playing against boys and playing against men. Nathan Gerbe had 68 points in his 3rd year of college and it has translated to a career high of 31 points so far in the NHL. This doesnt even mention the fact that Gerbe is a tank and much further along physically the Gaudreau (he is 3 inches shorter and 20 pounds heavier). Players as short as Gaudreau are few and far between in the NHL. The college schedule gives him more time to hit the weight room and mature into what is hopefully a dynamite hockey player for Calgary.

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Honestly I would like a list of players who are effective NHLers at <170 pounds, because besides Erik Karlson (I think) I could not think of any. He should at least get at 3 years at college. There may not be "much left to prove" but physically there is a massive difference between playing against boys and playing against men. Nathan Gerbe had 68 points in his 3rd year of college and it has translated to a career high of 31 points so far in the NHL. This doesnt even mention the fact that Gerbe is a tank and much further along physically the Gaudreau (he is 3 inches shorter and 20 pounds heavier). Players as short as Gaudreau are few and far between in the NHL. The college schedule gives him more time to hit the weight room and mature into what is hopefully a dynamite hockey player for Calgary.
The NCAA is effectively playing against men. If Gaudreau was in the CHL he would be playing against 16-19 year old players, but instead he is playing against 18-24 year old players who are much more developed physically than CHL players. Just in the game tonight Gaudreau faced a team with 8 or 9 players 6'2+, 200+. That is more than alot of AHL rosters, which is where he needs to play next year. Even the Heat only have 9 skaters that are 6'2 or bigger and they are one of the bigger AHL teams.

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Honestly I would like a list of players who are effective NHLers at <170 pounds, because besides Erik Karlson (I think) I could not think of any. He should at least get at 3 years at college. There may not be "much left to prove" but physically there is a massive difference between playing against boys and playing against men. Nathan Gerbe had 68 points in his 3rd year of college and it has translated to a career high of 31 points so far in the NHL. This doesnt even mention the fact that Gerbe is a tank and much further along physically the Gaudreau (he is 3 inches shorter and 20 pounds heavier). Players as short as Gaudreau are few and far between in the NHL. The college schedule gives him more time to hit the weight room and mature into what is hopefully a dynamite hockey player for Calgary.
Karlsson is 180 actually . I could have sworn Briere, Eberle, and Atkinson were <170 but I guess not.

Gaudreau's game is pretty different from Gerbe. He's shifty and elusive, difficult to hit. Even if Gaudreau does hit 170 (which may or may not be possible depending on his body type), he's not going to win a lot of board battles.

But if he can come over to the AHL and prove he can put up big points in that league, I don't see why he wouldn't be able to put up decent numbers in the NHL.

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Karlsson is 180 actually . I could have sworn Briere, Eberle, and Atkinson were <170 but I guess not.

Gaudreau's game is pretty different from Gerbe. He's shifty and elusive, difficult to hit. Even if Gaudreau does hit 170 (which may or may not be possible depending on his body type), he's not going to win a lot of board battles.

But if he can come over to the AHL and prove he can put up big points in that league, I don't see why he wouldn't be able to put up decent numbers in the NHL.
Atkinson is a good example. He put up back to back 50 point seasons in college and he looks like a serviceable NHLer. I believe Gaudreau has more talent, therefore I expect more. I dont want him pushed when he doesnt have to be. He needs to put on mass, that is the most important part of his game he needs to develop. All the talent -the size. He can over come his limitations with patience. Most sub 5'9" Nhlers dont really establish themselves till their early/mid 20's.

Dont get me wrong, I love Gaudreau. I'm just willing to wait.

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JG had 2 more goals tonight, that now gives him 11 points in 8 games he is second in H-east in points only behind Mike Collins who has 13 points in 9 games.

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Atkinson is a good example. He put up back to back 50 point seasons in college and he looks like a serviceable NHLer. I believe Gaudreau has more talent, therefore I expect more. I dont want him pushed when he doesnt have to be. He needs to put on mass, that is the most important part of his game he needs to develop. All the talent -the size. He can over come his limitations with patience. Most sub 5'9" Nhlers dont really establish themselves till their early/mid 20's.

Dont get me wrong, I love Gaudreau. I'm just willing to wait.
170 ish seems like a good weight for JG.

JG's career path will very much be like Atkinson's, but Atkinson really came on to the scene in his sophomore year, whereas JG was a stud as a freshman(and STILL improving as a sophomore)

If he wins the Hobey this year, and hopefully another national champ, then Abbotsford is where he will go to. Atkinson was almost PPG in his first year in the AHL and he played 27 games with Columbus. I dont see how JG cant do just as good if not better

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