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Would you be willing to lose the year for MacKinnon?

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11-10-2012, 08:50 PM
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If we were guaranteed Mackinnon, Yes. If we are betting on chances, No.

Although, this is a set-up that I would like for this draft. So there is 7 teams with 3 balls, right? So then the 1st 7 picks are put in a lottery with those teams, and they get their spots. Then about 13 with 2? then next 13 are in a lottery with those. and remainder with 1 is put to a draw. Thoughts?

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11-10-2012, 10:01 PM
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So we have absolutely no chance to finish bottom 5, despite the fact we haven't finished better than 22nd since 2007?

A shortened season doesn't mean anything. What if we start like we did just a few seasons ago (2009-2010). We will be almost guarenteed last. The pressure will be on every game since we have less games. Who knows how we will play especially as a young team. But saying 0 percent of finishing bottom 5 despite having a 2nd last finish and a bottom 5 finish in the past 3 seasons?
That's great except nobody said what you just did except you.

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11-10-2012, 10:57 PM
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I'm of the opinion that if we're top 10 we should trade up (I know it will be very expensive) for MacKinnon.

This is the year. The likely #1 is a good ol' Canadian boy center. Get it done!

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11-10-2012, 11:07 PM
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I'm of the opinion that if we're top 10 we should trade up (I know it will be very expensive) for MacKinnon.

This is the year. The likely #1 is a good ol' Canadian boy center. Get it done!
No one will trade that pick in my opinion. Even Edmonton with all those forwards they have taken in past years.I wonder last time #1 was traded? Lindros im guessing. He forced it though. Leafs almost did it 2 years ago.

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11-11-2012, 12:25 AM
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Am I the only one who would rather someone like Barkov or Monahan? Someone with more size and who is touted more for their defensive game than goal-scoring ability or pure offence, that's the kind of guy I want centering Kessel.

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Am I the only one who would rather someone like Barkov or Monahan? Someone with more size and who is touted more for their defensive game than goal-scoring ability or pure offence, that's the kind of guy I want centering Kessel.
Barkov and Monahan would both be very nice as well.

I think Mackinnon is a very, very special player though; from what I've seen.

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Am I the only one who would rather someone like Barkov or Monahan? Someone with more size and who is touted more for their defensive game than goal-scoring ability or pure offence, that's the kind of guy I want centering Kessel.
MONAHAN. Tbh even though it should be the opposite, I'd be more happy with him than Mackinnon. Local GTA kid, longtime leaffan, powerforward 1st line C, perfect for this team and Burke. And Cherry, as he wouldn't be able to say anything now.

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11-11-2012, 01:31 AM
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Any one of Barkov, Monahan, Shinkaruk, Drouin or Mackinnon would be awesome. I'm still hoping for us to play the season though, I miss NHL hockey.

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We probably have a better chance if we actually play some hockey.
not so sure about I believe while we may not have gotten better washington nj habs sens sabres flyers couple others got worse

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11-11-2012, 08:41 AM
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If we were guaranteed Mackinnon, Yes. If we are betting on chances, No.

Although, this is a set-up that I would like for this draft. So there is 7 teams with 3 balls, right? So then the 1st 7 picks are put in a lottery with those teams, and they get their spots. Then about 13 with 2? then
next 13 are in a lottery with those.
and remainder with 1 is put to a draw. Thoughts?
I don't think there are 7 teams that would get .3 balls

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11-11-2012, 08:43 AM
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Why don't we just agree that season or not, 1st overall is unlikely and be done with it.
Well if there's no season, statistically we gave a very good chance.

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11-11-2012, 08:48 AM
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No one will trade that pick in my opinion. Even Edmonton with all those forwards they have taken in past years.I wonder last time #1 was traded? Lindros im guessing. He forced it though. Leafs almost did it 2 years ago.
Within the past ten years alone there's a team that traded back to back #1 overalls.

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Am I the only one who would rather someone like Barkov or Monahan? Someone with more size and who is touted more for their defensive game than goal-scoring ability or pure offence, that's the kind of guy I want centering Kessel.
I always prefer the more well rounded.

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No one will trade that pick in my opinion. Even Edmonton with all those forwards they have taken in past years.I wonder last time #1 was traded? Lindros im guessing. He forced it though. Leafs almost did it 2 years ago.
I think it was Rick Nash. Florida traded the pick to the CBJ because they wanted JBo if I recall correctly.

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I'd most definately lose the season for MacKinnon. I'd even lose it for Barkov or Monahan.

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Honestly i wanna see a year of NHL hockey, but that would be whats best for the team. Realistically Leafs still aren't contenders this year, drafting MacKinnon would be HUGE for us.

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11-11-2012, 10:20 AM
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to have a 'great chance?' meh, not really.

if we were placed #1 on a traditional draft board (guaranteeing us #1 or #2) then i would vote yes. but with the system they used last lockout, we could end up anywhere!

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If we were guaranteed Mackinnon, Yes. If we are betting on chances, No.

Although, this is a set-up that I would like for this draft. So there is 7 teams with 3 balls, right? So then the 1st 7 picks are put in a lottery with those teams, and they get their spots. Then about 13 with 2? then next 13 are in a lottery with those. and remainder with 1 is put to a draw. Thoughts?
This makes a lot of sense. please forward it to the NHL.

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That's great except nobody said what you just did except you.
Um actually someone did try reading. "I think there's a 0 percent chance we finish last if there is a 2012-2013 season".

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Um actually someone did try reading. "I think there's a 0 percent chance we finish last if there is a 2012-2013 season".
Perhaps I'll rephrase: you quoted ME and nowhere did I say that.

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to have a 'great chance?' meh, not really.

if we were placed #1 on a traditional draft board (guaranteeing us #1 or #2) then i would vote yes. but with the system they used last lockout, we could end up anywhere!
We could end up anywhere, but the last draft with Crosby saw a 3 ball team win the lottery (Pittsbugh). I like our statistical chances as not many teams will have 3 balls.


I also think the people claiming the Leafs have a better chance if the season is played are judging the team by how the season ended. they were a playoff team for a majority of the season. No way are teams like Columbus or the Islanders better.

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No one will trade that pick in my opinion. Even Edmonton with all those forwards they have taken in past years.I wonder last time #1 was traded? Lindros im guessing. He forced it though. Leafs almost did it 2 years ago.
2003 was the last time, though with the stars going first every year due to scouting and development I doubt many do now. Oilers might if they have it in 2013 but who knows. 99 I believe the first was traded too (Burke was doing plenty of moving that year) and in 2002 making it 3 in 5 years.

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I also think the people claiming the Leafs have a better chance if the season is played are judging the team by how the season ended. they were a playoff team for a majority of the season. No way are teams like Columbus or the Islanders better.
The Leafs finished 29th in goals against with Reimer, Gustavsson and Scrivens last year.

Now we have Reimer and Scrivens only, minus the goalie that posted the most wins Gustavsson (17), which is the least experienced goaltending in the league now with less than 100 games combined. Scrivens is even struggling on the Marlies at present in the AHL.

Where would you rank Leafs goaltending among the rest of the league, at the most critical position to win consistently?.

If you place them in the bottom 5 of the league, then you can understand why people believe a bottom 5 finish is entirely possible.

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The Leafs finished 29th in goals against with Reimer, Gustavsson and Scrivens last year.

Now we have Reimer and Scrivens only, minus the goalie that posted the most wins Gustavsson (17), which is the least experienced goaltending in the league now with less than 100 games combined. Scrivens is even struggling on the Marlies at present in the AHL.

Where would you rank Leafs goaltending among the rest of the league, at the most critical position to win consistently?.

If you place them in the bottom 5 of the league, then you can understand why people believe a bottom 5 finish is entirely possible.
I'm just saying that I like the chances more with a cancelled season and the Leafs having 3 balls than a chance at half a season where the team could surprise.

If Carlyle implimentes a better defensive system, we could see those GA numbers rise easily.

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I'm just saying that I like the chances more with a cancelled season and the Leafs having 3 balls than a chance at half a season where the team could surprise.

If Carlyle implimentes a better defensive system, we could see those GA numbers rise easily.
With no season all 30 teams have a chance at drafting #1 overall.

With a season and based on the final standings only the bottom 5 teams have a chance at #1 overall.

30 teams verses 5 teams for #1 overall possibility. Leafs could draft 30th with no season, and they would need to win the Cup in a shortened season to draft 30th.

Based on the Leafs finishing in the bottom 5 in 2 of the past 3 seasons, one has to believe that another bottom 5 finish is highly possible. There is getter odds of finishing in the bottom 5 and competing with 4 other teams for Mackinnon than competing against 30 teams in a weighted lottery with no season.

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