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11-10-2012, 03:08 PM
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You completely ignored the question/point of my post to attack an opinion of mine? Stop that. You'll not be changing my mind anytime soon, and it's detrimental to the conversation at hand.

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11-10-2012, 03:13 PM
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You completely ignored the question/point of my post to attack an opinion of mine? Stop that. You'll not be changing my mind anytime soon, and it's detrimental to the conversation at hand.
Your question is pretty terrible. IF the NHL creates a new league the new league will have to have a players association becuase that's how american sports get around anti-trust laws.

And if the NHL starts a new league, basically with replacement players... the NHL'ers will go to Europe permanently, and leagues like the KHL will become the premier leagues. I watch the NHL because it's the greatest collection of talent in the world... If another league becomes that I'll watch that league.

The owners need the players more than the players need the owners.

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11-10-2012, 03:28 PM
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You completely ignored the question/point of my post to attack an opinion of mine? Stop that. You'll not be changing my mind anytime soon, and it's detrimental to the conversation at hand.
Not sure if you responded to my post but I didn't mean to attack anything. It's just that the players do a lot of work to get paid and it's reasonable that they can fight for their piece of cash. A different question; should the whole sport profit as much as it does now.

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11-10-2012, 04:26 PM
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know way of knowing, but say the owners do dissolve the NHL and start a new league (i'm guessing with fewer teams to start) then offer players the offer that is currently on the table but salaries (and a cap) start about 25% lower on average...there aren't that many jobs in Europe and the KHL. How many players would opt to sign new contracts with the new league? I'm guessing more than half.

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11-10-2012, 04:27 PM
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this not having an edit button thing is the worst part of being infracted.

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11-10-2012, 04:49 PM
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11-10-2012, 05:43 PM
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Not sure if you responded to my post but I didn't mean to attack anything. It's just that the players do a lot of work to get paid and it's reasonable that they can fight for their piece of cash. A different question; should the whole sport profit as much as it does now.
"Attack" was probably a poor choice of wording on my part. Sorry about that. I guess the point I was trying to make was that the argument of how easy their job is could easily be its own thread, and I really don't care have that debate anytime soon.


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know way of knowing, but say the owners do dissolve the NHL and start a new league (i'm guessing with fewer teams to start) then offer players the offer that is currently on the table but salaries (and a cap) start about 25% lower on average...there aren't that many jobs in Europe and the KHL. How many players would opt to sign new contracts with the new league? I'm guessing more than half.

That's what I would assume as well. Admittedly, the quality of play would probably suffer at first, but would probably eventually turn back around if the salaries were higher than the alternative leagues.

I don't know enough of the legal side of things to know if that's even an option for the NHL and/or owners. At what point in all of this can they just throw their hands up and tell the PA to piss off and move on without them?


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A different question; should the whole sport profit as much as it does now.
Probs not. Less profit means lower tickets, concessions and all that funness. But then economics get in the way with insane TV deals and people with large amounts of disposable income actually paying for tickets when they're hundreds of dollars just to get in.

Players on Euro teams don't make nearly as much, correct? How much does it cost to go to a game over there?

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11-10-2012, 07:14 PM
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/sigh

Going back to what rynryn stated a little bit ago...

I love how the image is that the players are all behind D. Fehr, but yet even us relatively not connected fans keep hearing first hand, second hand, or third hand accounts of players being absolute pissed off at D. Fehr.

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11-10-2012, 07:28 PM
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How many more will suffer the same fate?!!!

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11-11-2012, 08:54 AM
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I was just thinking, if there is no season, what happens to the one and only LaPanta?

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11-11-2012, 11:01 AM
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I was just thinking, if there is no season, what happens to the one and only LaPanta?
probably does it next season

honestly i doubt he was hired just for the chance of lockout, but who knows

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11-11-2012, 11:49 AM
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Okay, So I know this has been posted before, but I can't remember where.

Hypothetically, if there IS a lockout, How will the draft work next year?

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11-11-2012, 11:54 AM
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Okay, So I know this has been posted before, but I can't remember where.

Hypothetically, if there IS a lockout, How will the draft work next year?
Would have to be defined in a CBA or otherwise come to terms. Everything has to be negotiated, nothing is established outside of a CBA in sports.

As to what's most likely: This

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11-11-2012, 02:37 PM
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RIP, NHL.

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11-11-2012, 02:48 PM
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i would hope there are enough pissed off players that want to get together and fire Fehr

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i would hope there are enough pissed off players that want to get together and fire Fehr
One would hope

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11-11-2012, 02:52 PM
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Personally I'm looking forward to watching them all try and get real jobs.

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11-11-2012, 03:22 PM
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I really feel for NHL players. Once again, they seem oblivious to what is happening to them. They really think Bettman is the problem.
I always have to wonder how much of this sort of thing the players end up reading.

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11-11-2012, 03:31 PM
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What is the contraction issues?

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11-11-2012, 03:34 PM
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What is the contraction issues?
Apparently the NHL wants free agency to start at 28 instead of 27.

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Oh. I was thinking contract, as to reduce in size. Not contract, the paper with dollar amounts and stipulations. Make it 27.5. Thats fair.

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Apparently the NHL wants free agency to start at 28 instead of 27.
The other big one is arbitration being pushed back a year NHL needs to drop those two

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The other big one is arbitration being pushed back a year NHL needs to drop those two
Arbitration being moved means almost nothing. The concern the players have about arbitration is that teams are being given the same rights as players.

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11-11-2012, 04:07 PM
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I'm at the point where I'm so bitter about this whole childish ordeal I just kinda want the NHL to fail as a league.

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11-11-2012, 04:17 PM
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I'm amused by all the people who want to cut off their nose to spite their face.

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