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A Bad Lawyer Can Drag A Case For Years, A Good Lawyer Even Longer (CBA/Lockout) XXVI

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11-11-2012, 04:18 PM
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A Bad Lawyer Can Drag A Case For Years, A Good Lawyer Even Longer (CBA/Lockout) XXVI

Carry on previous thread here:
http://hfboards.hockeysfuture.com/sh....php?t=1281639

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11-11-2012, 05:21 PM
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Not even close. The CBA has been good to the players, but that does not mean they
"won." First of all, they would have preferred no salary cap. Eventually they agreed to a soft cap with a luxury tax. When that didn't fly they wanted a de-linked cap. They eventually agreed to a linked cap. That was the crux of the issue. Everything else was not nearly as important. Same thing will happen here. Negotiations will move when the players agree to a linked HRR split. All the ancillary issues will take care of themselves.
Would the league have thrived revenue wise if the players get to dictate the financial system?

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Theo Fleury has no sympathy for owners
Except Fleury doesn't understand the timelines in which those players played, "back when the salaries were nothing compared to even when he played."

These players will never have those issues ever.

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So Over/Under

75% of players in the league would currently accept the deal put in place by the NHL.

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The delinked cap the players had proposed would have made the owners more money over the term of the last CBA, if I remember correctly. It was something like $41M.

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I just listened to a song by Genesis called - In too deep. It's kind've explaining of the lockout in the way when I listened to it.

Listen, you know I love you, but I just can't take this,
You know I love you, but Im playing for keeps,
Although I need you, Im not gonna make this,
You know I want to, but Im in too deep.

Random thought but it kind've feels how the NHL and NHLPA are to me now.

NHL trying to appease the fans and the PA just trying to do what they want.


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Would the league have thrived revenue wise if the players get to dictate the financial system?
Assuming the ancillary issues stayed the same, the league would have been better off with a de-linked system. Under a de-linked cap with fixed raises, the PA would have probably made closer to 50% of HRR. This is due to the growth of the NHL during that time period.

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Except Fleury doesn't understand the timelines in which those players played, "back when the salaries were nothing compared to even when he played."
Geez Theo, you maxed out around 7.0M per season the last few years, and you have nothing left, must be the owners fault...how did you spend all your money again?

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So Over/Under

75% of players in the league would currently accept the deal put in place by the NHL.
If Fehr said it was a good deal they would overwhelmingly vote to approve it IMO.

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So Over/Under

75% of players in the league would currently accept the deal put in place by the NHL.
Right now I'd say that about 30% would accept any deal as they "need" money and just want to play.

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If Fehr said it was a good deal they would overwhelmingly vote to approve it IMO.
This. There is a good percentage of players that, I think, are simply waiting for the thumb up or down from Fehr.

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If Fehr said it was a good deal they would overwhelmingly vote to approve it IMO.
Forget Fehr. The deal has been put out there publically, and the players should know about it if Fehr is being upfront. So over/under

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75% of players in the league would currently accept the deal put in place by the NHL.
Can I take that 75% number instead?

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At what date do you guys think the NHL would cancel the games in December?

I see them cancelling December and then after that the season.


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75% of players in the league would currently accept the deal put in place by the NHL.
Where did you hear this ?

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Where did you hear this ?
He hasn't he's just asking what we % we think would accept a deal.

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Under. But close.

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Good to know there's another Genesis person out there.

At what date do you guys think the NHL would cancel the games in December?

I see them cancelling December and then after that the season.
It's been 2 weeks before the last cancellation, i.e. For the November month cancellation, they canceled 2 weeks beforehand.

So, I'd say this Friday maybe?

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It's been 2 weeks before the last cancellation, i.e. For the November month cancellation, they canceled 2 weeks beforehand.

So, I'd say this Friday maybe?
I don't think that'd be far off.

Need at least a week to get a season going so I'd say a little before the 23rd.

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Correct me if I'm wrong but if there were that many players that would accept the deal, wouldn't the deal be accepted? Don is there just to advise and speak for them. If they want it then they get it.

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Correct me if I'm wrong but if there were that many players that would accept the deal, wouldn't the deal be accepted? Don is there just to advise and speak for them. If they want it then they get it.
People feel better when they have someone to hate directly. Telling themselves that Fehr is subverting the true will of the players is just an extension of that

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Correct me if I'm wrong but if there were that many players that would accept the deal, wouldn't the deal be accepted? Don is there just to advise and speak for them. If they want it then they get it.
Who exactly holds the power when it comes to the negotiations? Does it go down to a majority vote? I'm not sure.

Also, how many of the players are actually willing to stand up and say enough is enough. Are there enough players with the bottle to do that? Personally, I don't think so.

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Correct me if I'm wrong but if there were that many players that would accept the deal, wouldn't the deal be accepted? Don is there just to advise and speak for them. If they want it then they get it.
If an nhl proposal hasn't been put to the vote, then no. As with any union, union members are told to toe the party line and do what they are told by the union head. Really thy are at the mercy of the head's direction, unless there is a largescale rebellion.

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I think if the NHL cleaned up their proposal, added a little bit in make whole money and gave a few concessions on the contracting issues, the vast majority of players would be ok with that deal.

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anyone know what the NHLPA vote would have to be to ratify a deal? is it just a simple majority? 2/3? more?

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