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11-10-2012, 07:10 PM
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I feel bad for Cheechoo. He will always be remember as a flop, but the guy was a damn good player before his injuries.
Thank you so much for posting this.

Those who label him a flop/one-hit-wonder just have no clue and either don't know what sports hernia is or they simply don't care about the important "details" that killed his NHL career. To knowledgeable fans, however, he should be remembered as a very talented hockey player with excellent work ethic, a lot of heart and a terrible (NHL-career-ending) injury.

But there are other rather names thrown around that don't belong in this thread...

Scott Gomez? He used to be one of New Jerseys best players for many years, and I don't think it's accurate to - under any circumstances - link his name with the descriptive words "worst player".

Jason Blake? Not a stellar offensive threat, but the guy has always been a very good two-way forward who didn't embarass himself while playing a top-six role.

Petr Prucha? Very talented player, but it just didn't work out for him in the NHL. Too bad, since it didn't have anything to do with his offensive skill. I don't know what went wrong, there were probably several factors - transition from european hockey to north american, confidence issues, lack of defensive awareness.

And, before someone throws his name in, I'd like to remind that Daymond Langkow used to be an outstanding top-six two-way-center for a very long time.

There's much more to a player than his offensive skills. A player's value can't be determined by taking only his offensive game into account. I think "offensively least gifted player to score 30 goals" would have been a more appropriate title to thise thread.

So my vote is... Chris Clark - I could hardly believe his 20-goal-season in 05/06 and never thought he'd top it, so his 30 goals the season after more than surprised me. Hard work, tenacity and the right attitude coupled with mediocre skills works out more often than exceptional potential coupled with bad work ethic - at least long time.


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11-10-2012, 07:25 PM
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Jonas Hoglund was 1 goal away from winning this hands down

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11-10-2012, 07:28 PM
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Those are before 2002, but I think these names deserve mention :

Sergei Berezin
Andrei Kovalenko
Alexander Selivanov
Zdeno Ciger
Bob Kudelski
Alexander Semak
Nikolai Borchevsky
Dimitri Kvartalnov
These were all decent hockey players they just didnt adapt to the dead puck style and went back to Europe usually.

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11-10-2012, 07:41 PM
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I'm sure there are people on here that followed his career closer than I have, but Marek Svatos' 32 goal season is definitely the exception to his norm. 12 of his 32 goals were on the power play.

Aside from an additional 26 goal season two years later, Svatos never came close to matching the numbers put up in 2005-06

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11-11-2012, 06:34 PM
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11-11-2012, 06:36 PM
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Jason Blake.

guy is hilarious to watch. He tries hard but is just epic fail

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I actually think Dustin Penner is a fairly good choice. He has a decent all-around game sure, but the dude positively does not look like a threat to score much of the time and he just isn't a guy that goes creating chances fairly often

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11-11-2012, 06:39 PM
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1. Chris Clark
2. Petr Prucha
3. Jason Blake
4. Marek Svatos
5. Bryan Little

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11-11-2012, 06:46 PM
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Those are before 2002, but I think these names deserve mention :

Sergei Berezin
Andrei Kovalenko
Alexander Selivanov
Zdeno Ciger
Bob Kudelski
Alexander Semak
Nikolai Borchevsky
Dimitri Kvartalnov
I guess you never watched Berezin, Ciger or Kudelski play and you're just stat watching. Ciger was a very good and highly sought after player who was homesick in NA and returned home to Slovakia instead of taking a big payday. Berezin played many good years for the Leafs and, although one dimensional, was fantastic with the puck. Kudelski had that 40 goal year, but was a solid, dependable NHLer for years. Shouldn't be on this list.

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11-11-2012, 08:52 PM
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1. Chris Clark
2. Petr Prucha
3. Jason Blake
4. Marek Svatos
5. Bryan Little
Petr Prucha had 30 goals as a rookie, 22 as a sophomore and then had concussion issues.

He's a decent player now in the KHL.

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11-11-2012, 10:44 PM
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I'd take Clark over Blake

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Jason Blake.... gosh what a terrible player...

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11-11-2012, 11:54 PM
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Jason Blake.... gosh what a terrible player...
When discussing 30 goal scorers he's a pretty solid choice.

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11-12-2012, 02:26 AM
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peter forsberg.

oh wait, the most tragic story in all of hockey and the best player of his era couldn't even hit 30 goals since 2002. my bad.

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11-12-2012, 02:45 AM
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Realistically someone from the 80's. Everyone and their mom scored 30 goals back then. scoring 30 in the late nineties and beyond is a big challenge.

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11-12-2012, 04:22 AM
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Realistically someone from the 80's. Everyone and their mom scored 30 goals back then. scoring 30 in the late nineties and beyond is a big challenge.
Hence the thread title.

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11-12-2012, 05:02 AM
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It's evident some people didn't see much of Jason Blake before 09/10. He was a good player in his best years. I think Chris Clark takes it, he was basically a grinder who was going to give you 7-10 goals and 20-25 points... Execept for two seasons when he scored 20 and 30 goals and 39 and 54 points.

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11-12-2012, 09:55 AM
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He just needs a Tavares.
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Does Matt Moulson belong on this list? Even if he's done it three years in a row? Improving on goals and points in each of them?

Picking an arbitrary goal total and year can easily put things out of context regarding "worst player" to achieve these results.

Player ability doesn't vary as much, year over year, compared to goals/points totals relative to their unique situations.

I watched Steve Yzerman become a better players his point totals drop.
Ovechkin has become a worse player as his goals/points have dropped.
Joffrey Lupul got a lot of points on the Leafs top line last year, but he's the same player he used to be, just healthier with a chance to play on the first line, taking statistical advantage of the situation.

Some of the best players never reach (or barely reach) 30 goals (like Forsberg, Datsyuk) while some really bad hockey players can reach it on occasion (Prucha, Frolov)

Means nothing.
This post needs more love. Excellent points.

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11-12-2012, 10:13 AM
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Re Prucha;

30 goals after the lockout. Rangers signed Shanahan and Cullen for the 06-07 season and there went much of Prucha's time on the powerplay. Think he scored either 14 or 16 goals that season.

With Prucha it was just he wasnt suited to take the punishment of playing in the NHL every night. He would get absolutely buried on the regular. despite this he always "played hard," I suppose, just without his confidence he couldnt muscle his way to the net to score rebounds

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11-12-2012, 02:09 PM
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Brad Boyes did it twice with the Blues, but he sure did disappear pretty quickly. He definitely was a great PP and shootout guy, but he also benefited from playing with very good playmakers (Kariya in 07-08, McDonald in 08-09). He was also a turd in the defensive zone, a very passive player in general.

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11-12-2012, 02:35 PM
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Jason Blake.

guy is hilarious to watch. He tries hard but is just epic fail
When Jason Blake scored 40 goals, he was the best forward on a mediocre team that actually made the playoffs. Granted, that team would've been horribly poor w/o Rick DiPietro. But if any of these guys were 'the best forward on a playoff team', they don't deserve to be on this list. Jason Blake actually rose to the occasion during that year, and scored goals when they mattered.

He scored 30 before 2002, but Mariusz Czerkawski was the absolute *worst* 30 goal scorer for the obvious reason that he'd turn the puck over in the worst possible ways leading to at least as many goals for the opposition.

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11-12-2012, 02:42 PM
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Anson Carter wins this one by a mile.

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11-12-2012, 02:53 PM
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Svatos and Prucha immediately came to mind.

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Anson Carter with Kulemin coming in as a very close 2nd

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I guess you never watched Berezin, Ciger or Kudelski play and you're just stat watching. Ciger was a very good and highly sought after player who was homesick in NA and returned home to Slovakia instead of taking a big payday. Berezin played many good years for the Leafs and, although one dimensional, was fantastic with the puck. Kudelski had that 40 goal year, but was a solid, dependable NHLer for years. Shouldn't be on this list.
Kudelski never had a 40 goals season nor 30.

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