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assuming there is no season where do the top ufa's go?

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11-11-2012, 09:51 PM
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Don't see the Wild doing much of anything. Most of our free agents will be replaced by our prospects. Hackett will replace Backstrom, Cullen will likely retire, effectively finishing his career in Minnesota, and be replaced by Bulmer or Larsson, and Bouchard will either be re-signed to a one year deal or let go of and be replaced by one of Coyle or Zucker. Maybe we go after a top 4 d-man until Dumba is ready but that's about all I can see us doing. We took care of our bottom 6 depth this past off-season with Konopka and Mitchell.
Agree with all of it. Personally however, if the lockout does go all season and it's ended by next season, I'd like to see the Wild sign Backstrom to a one year to see how we would do with him between the pipes and behind Suter.

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You can have it one way, or the other, not both.
We're different people, surely you can see that.

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Lets he honest here, the Sharks played like **** against Vancouver in that series and was carried by a one shouldered Big Joe. Their goaltending collapsed when they needed him most and the whole team decided to try and play the Bruins style against us. After Raff destroyed JT and his shoulder near hung off his body, the Sharks were no hope for the depth and speed of the Nucks.
I think in anothe series without Raff, the Sharks have a true chance, especially having Burns take pressure off Boyle.
Oh, you're right (besides forgetting that Marleau was easily the best Shark in that series). Marleau and a one-armed Thornton were the only guys who showed up in that series. Torres was a huge pain in our ass again (referring to the Michalek hit in 06), and the entire second line (Clowe-Couture-Heatley) were falling apart with injury, as well as Boyle. Plus the absolutely idiotic coaching decision to playin Niclas FRAKKING Wallin over a slightly injured Jason Demers (who Mike Babcock called our best defenseman in the previous series).

In no way did the Sharks deserve to win that series, with the poor play all the injuries that they had resulted in.

But back on topic, I honestly don't see a scenario where Edler doesn't re-sign with the Canucks.

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We're different people, surely you can see that.
Oh, come off it. I'm talking about Canucks fans (and every other fanbase at large). If it suits them, they blame injuries, if it doesn't, they claim injuries aren't a valid excuse.

Well excuse me, but I think that injuries are a completely valid "excuse" for why a team doesn't win. It's hard to win when your players can't use their body like usual. Injuries don't mean that a player doesn't play like **** (ie Kesler last year), but it does explain why and give the idea that they are better than that outing showed.

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Oh, come off it. I'm talking about Canucks fans (and every other fanbase at large). If it suits them, they blame injuries, if it doesn't, they claim injuries aren't a valid excuse.

Well excuse me, but I think that injuries are a completely valid "excuse" for why a team doesn't win. It's hard to win when your players can't use their body like usual. Injuries don't mean that a player doesn't play like **** (ie Kesler last year), but it does explain why and give the idea that they are better than that outing showed.
Well I don't, so at least I'm consistent.

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Well I don't, so at least I'm consistent.
Congratulations, then. You win.

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Id *** in my pants if Perry somehow ended up in Detroit ... of course that would gurantee losing Filpula and not getting a top-notch Dman.

The Babcock/Holland Vancouver 2010 connection has to hold a little bit of weight with any pitches thrown to Olympian UFAs that are considering jumping ship.

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You can have it one way, or the other, not both.
There was no contradiction between the two posts. Try again.

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11-12-2012, 02:43 AM
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"Hmm, the Sharks just choked last season against the 2nd seed, let me go play for the 1st seed who choked to the 8th seed!"

Come on, where's the logic.

Clowe might test, but it will be because he knows that teams will way overpay for players of his type. He might demand $5M, which he will not even close to be worth.
In the last 4 years the Sharks have always been a SCF "favourite/contender" to represent the West. Made big deals to change the lineup up a bit but still they've done nothing but dissapoint each year. Am I wrong?

As for the Canucks "choking" to the 8th seed, it's preety funny tbh because they eventually won the cup, so i guess 3 other teams 'choked' against the 8th seed aswell.

Also people like to forget that we were without our leading scorer and an injured Kesler to start the playoffs.. but im just making excuses now.

I think MG can convince him to sign just under 5m like Booth money. Powerforwards dont come cheap these days.

That said, Clowe really hated Lappy during the series, hopefully he has short term memory

We would have enough money i think, Malhotra 2.5m gone, Raymond 2.5m will not be back thats for sure and Ballard 4.2m.. trade him for free lol.

Sedin - Sedin - Burrows
Booth - Kesler - Clowe
Hansen - Higgins - Kassian
Weise - Lappiere - Mallet

Hamhuis - Bieksa
Edler - Garrison
Connaughton - Tanev

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I think MG can convince him to sign just under 5m like Booth money. Powerforwards dont come cheap these days.
Why would MG be able to sign Clowe for under market value if: a) there is high demand and low supply; b) not only is there not a positive relationship already established, but there is probably a bit of negative bias from Clowe c) Clowe has no geographical or family reasons to want to go to Vancouver

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11-12-2012, 04:18 AM
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With the cap going down, Detroit won't have a whole lot of money after hopefully re-signing Filppula and Howard.

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Every free agent (according to cap-geek) that makes over 3 million for reference:

Iginla, Jarome » R CGY 35 $7,000,000 2013 (UFA)

Semin, Alexander » R CAR 28 $7,000,000 2013 (UFA)

Timonen, Kimmo » D PHI 37 $6,333,333 2013 (UFA)

Elias, Patrik » C NJD 36 $6,000,000 2013 (UFA)

Backstrom, Niklas » G MIN 34 $6,000,000 2013 (UFA)

Visnovsky, Lubomir » D NYI 36 $5,600,000 2013 (UFA)

Gonchar, Sergei » D OTT 38 $5,500,000 2013 (UFA)

Getzlaf, Ryan » C ANA 27 $5,325,000 2013 (UFA)

Perry, Corey » R ANA 27 $5,325,000 2013 (UFA)

Thomas, Tim » G BOS 38 $5,000,000 2013 (UFA)

Ribeiro, Mike » C WAS 32 $5,000,000 2013 (UFA)

Alfredsson, Daniel » R OTT 39 $4,875,000 2013 (UFA)

Connolly, Tim » C TOR 31 $4,750,000 2013 (UFA)

McDonald, Andy » C STL 35 $4,700,000 2013 (UFA)

Jagr, Jaromir » R DAL 40 $4,550,000 2013 (UFA)

Selanne, Teemu » R ANA 42 $4,500,000 2013 (UFA)

Hainsey, Ron » D WIN 31 $4,500,000 2013 (UFA)

Lupul, Joffrey » L TOR 29 $4,250,000 2013 (UFA)

Morrow, Brenden » L DAL 33 $4,100,000 2013 (UFA)

Streit, Mark » D NYI 34 $4,100,000 2013 (UFA)

Bouchard, Pierre-Marc » R MIN 28 $4,080,000 2013 (UFA)

Antropov, Nik » C WIN 32 $4,062,500 2013 (UFA)

Regehr, Robyn » D BUF 32 $4,020,000 2013 (UFA)

Horton, Nathan » R BOS 27 $4,000,000 2013 (UFA)

Roy, Derek » C DAL 29 $4,000,000 2013 (UFA)

Whitney, Ryan » D EDM 29 $4,000,000 2013 (UFA)

Zidlicky, Marek » D NJD 35 $4,000,000 2013 (UFA)

Zajac, Travis » C NJD 27 $3,887,500 2013 (UFA)

Koivu, Saku » C ANA 37 $3,800,000 2013 (UFA)

Cervenka, Roman » C CGY 26 $3,775,000 2013 (UFA)

Khabibulin, Nikolai » G EDM 39 $3,750,000 2013 (UFA)

Clowe, Ryane » L SAN 30 $3,625,000 2013 (UFA)

Cullen, Matt » C MIN 36 $3,500,000 2013 (UFA)

Gagne, Simon » L LAK 32 $3,500,000 2013 (UFA)

Hamrlik, Roman » D WAS 38 $3,500,000 2013 (UFA)

Ryder, Michael » R DAL 32 $3,500,000 2013 (UFA)

Lombardi, Matthew » C TOR 30 $3,500,000 2013 (UFA)

Zubrus, Dainius » C NJD 34 $3,400,000 2013 (UFA)

Scuderi, Rob » D LAK 33 $3,400,000 2013 (UFA)

Edler, Alexander » D VAN 26 $3,250,000 2013 (UFA)

MacArthur, Clarke » L TOR 27 $3,250,000 2013 (UFA)

Penner, Dustin » L LAK 30 $3,250,000 2013 (UFA)

Weiss, Stephen » C FLA 29 $3,100,000 2013 (UFA)

Armstrong, Colby » R MTL 29 $3,000,000 2013 (UFA)

Filppula, Valtteri » L DET 28 $3,000,000 2013 (UFA)

Leopold, Jordan » D BUF 32 $3,000,000 2013 (UFA)

Lydman, Toni » D ANA 35 $3,000,000 2013 (UFA)

For the leafs I'd like to see Lupul resigned and besides going after the obvious (Perry, Getzlaf, etc.) I'd like to try for Zajac, Weiss, Clowe in that order.
He does not make 3 million in Montreal. His contract is 1 year at 1 million

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It worries me that Tambo might throw money at Thomas or Smith. I know Edmonton needs some elite goaltending, but not at the cost of what some of these UFAs will want.

My predictions-

Smith- Toronto
Edler- Philly or Detroit, both will pay what he will ask for.
Streit- Edmonton
Perry- Any contender aside from Vancouver
Getzlaf- See above
Iginla- Calgary/Trade
Backstrom- Stays put, why leave a team ready to win
Clowe- Sens

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It worries me that Tambo might throw money at Thomas or Smith. I know Edmonton needs some elite goaltending, but not at the cost of what some of these UFAs will want.

My predictions-

Smith- Toronto
Edler- Philly or Detroit, both will pay what he will ask for.
Streit- Edmonton
Perry- Any contender aside from Vancouver
Getzlaf- See above
Iginla- Calgary/Trade
Backstrom- Stays put, why leave a team ready to win
Clowe- Sens
I think harding's 3 year extension spells the end of backstrom with the wild

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Id love for the sabres to go hard after zajac and/or Edler. Go harder after Zajac though.

Vanek - Zajac - Pomminville
Ennis - Hodgeson - Stafford
Ott - Grigorenko - Leino
Gerbe - Girgensons - Kaletta
Armia (AHL)

Myers - Sekera
Ehrhoff - Edler (Sulzer)
McNabb - Pysyk
Brennan
Weber

Miller
Enroth

Id basically led Hodgeson and Grigorenko fight it out for 2C in this case, and roll with three talented centers on our top 3 lines. Ott and Leino's experience (limited) at center SHOULD help to make Grigorenko's transition easier.

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I basically have the same want for the Ducks as the last few years. That the Ducks go after a center (Roy, Zajac, Weiss) and a physical top 6 winger (Clowe).

Of course resign Getzlaf and Perry.

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Zajac would be great to have on the Jets. Don't know what the odds of that are though.

Don't think he's going to leave Edmonton, but a guy like Smid would be a nice Hainsey replacement to play with Bogosian.

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I basically have the same want for the Ducks as the last few years. That the Ducks go after a center (Roy, Zajac, Weiss) and a physical top 6 winger (Clowe).

Of course resign Getzlaf and Perry.
Clowe-Getzlaf-Perry
Palmieri/DSP/Selänne-Roy-Ryan
Palmieri/DSP/Holland-Cogliano/Winnik
Who-gives a-****

With the D of Fowler, Sbisa, Beauch, Allen, Souray and Vatanen/Lindholm would be pretty solid.

But may be hard to fit that under internal cap?

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Panthers resign Weiss and go after Getzlaf or Perry.

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Id *** in my pants if Perry somehow ended up in Detroit ... of course that would gurantee losing Filpula and not getting a top-notch Dman.

The Babcock/Holland Vancouver 2010 connection has to hold a little bit of weight with any pitches thrown to Olympian UFAs that are considering jumping ship.
I love Flip but I'd personally fly from Finland to Detroit to drive him to the airport if we could get Corey ****ing Perry.

And if we trade Franzen, we could, maybe be under the cap. But the D would still suck.

This is were those Sammy and Bert deals come back to haunt us.

I totally forgot about Smid, I'd love to have him if he gets UFA.

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I assume the Flyers will back the truck up for Edler. Edler's agent has to suspect as much so he will be expensive to sign.

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Can't imagine Pens wouldn't be shooting for a Crosby winger or something to solidify the weak defense. I would be very happy if they were able to nab either Gonchar or Scuderi back.

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It worries me that Tambo might throw money at Thomas or Smith. I know Edmonton needs some elite goaltending, but not at the cost of what some of these UFAs will want.

My predictions-

Smith- Toronto
Edler- Philly or Detroit, both will pay what he will ask for.
Streit- Edmonton
Perry- Any contender aside from Vancouver
Getzlaf- See above
Iginla- Calgary/Trade
Backstrom- Stays put, why leave a team ready to win
Clowe- Sens
I doubt Striet leaves the Island UNLESS Edmonton throws cray money at him, which is something I dont think they can afford to do. I think you will see Striet re-up for a 2-3 year deal to stay On the Island.


I expect Visnovsky to retire/Go permenatly to Europe. I doubt Reasoner or Boulton will be back. I'm not sure about Boyes or Nabokov.

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Wow a lot of people are going to be upset when Edler re-ups in Van.

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Why would MG be able to sign Clowe for under market value if: a) there is high demand and low supply; b) not only is there not a positive relationship already established, but there is probably a bit of negative bias from Clowe c) Clowe has no geographical or family reasons to want to go to Vancouver
There was high demand for a top 4 defenceman this past summer and we got Garrison under market value, although he did really want to come here.

Stranger things have happened.

A player doesnt necessarily need a geographical reason to sign with any team.. ?

If thats the case the TML should be attracting top Ontario born players lol.

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I doubt Striet leaves the Island UNLESS Edmonton throws cray money at him, which is something I dont think they can afford to do. I think you will see Striet re-up for a 2-3 year deal to stay On the Island.


I expect Visnovsky to retire/Go permenatly to Europe. I doubt Reasoner or Boulton will be back. I'm not sure about Boyes or Nabokov.
Edmonton is the same team that threw crazy money at Souray to get him to sign. It wouldn't surprise me if they did it again if they thought Streit was the answer they were looking for. They'd probably let Whitney walk (limp? hobble?) and use some of that money to overpay Streit.

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