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11-12-2012, 12:03 PM
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I said this last year many times and it's the same this year...

...I don't care who or what position they draft, as long as they get it right.

Rielly was that player last year, or at least seems like he was the best player when we drafted. I hope the same is said this year.

If that player is Jones (D), Drouin (W) or Shinkaruk (W), so be it.

I really don't care which position we are loaded or not.

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11-12-2012, 12:04 PM
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based on needs alone

Mackinnon
Monahan

thats who i want

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I said this last year many times and it's the same this year...

...I don't care who or what position they draft, as long as they get it right.

Rielly was that player last year, or at least seems like he was the best player when we drafted. I hope the same is said this year.

If that player is Jones (D), Drouin (W) or Shinkaruk (W), so be it.

I really don't care which position we are loaded or not.
i remember a interview with Burke and he said that he always goes for BPA no matter what. This is the best way 100%, imagine you have the next great defender and you pass him up for a forward who busts.....thats why u go BPA. However, Centers are always harder to find and bring the biggest hype.

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11-12-2012, 12:34 PM
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If we pick high, CENTER. If not, think forward, trade up, and pick a CENTER.

MacKinnon, Barkov, Monahan. In that order.

If not possible:
Drouin, Lindholm, Shinkaruk, Ristolainen, in that order.

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11-12-2012, 12:44 PM
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If we pick high, CENTER. If not, think forward, trade up, and pick a CENTER.

MacKinnon, Barkov, Monahan. In that order.

If not possible:
Drouin, Lindholm, Shinkaruk, Ristolainen, in that order.
We are on the exact same page.

Thats my order, and the following 4 are pretty close for me too. The part that excites me the most about Barkov is how much his skating improved over one summer, and the fact he has to fill out so much. I can see Jagr like puck protection / control w/ him.

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11-12-2012, 01:05 PM
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I'd have to agree that ideally would go for a center. I mean yes, it does come down to BPA if the players are relatively equal go for the center. Eventually this weakness and problem will have to be resolved. You don't ignore a clearly superior prospect, but it's fine to have preferences.

I mean ideally I'd go right after MacKinnon or Monahan and leave the draft extremely happy. But long as we get a great player, I'll be just fine with the result. Just pick the right player.

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11-12-2012, 01:09 PM
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If we pick high, CENTER. If not, think forward, trade up, and pick a CENTER.
I'm a fan of this logic

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I said this last year many times and it's the same this year...

...I don't care who or what position they draft, as long as they get it right.

Rielly was that player last year, or at least seems like he was the best player when we drafted. I hope the same is said this year.

If that player is Jones (D), Drouin (W) or Shinkaruk (W), so be it.

I really don't care which position we are loaded or not.
Agreed. As fans, no doubt we tend to look at our needs and look for what player in the draft best fits those needs and come up with our favourites based on this.
Of course, Scouting and drafting doesnt work this way. Teams also seem to covet certain characteristics more than others. Burke, from what we can tell, really wants to bring in players with strong character and a high hockey IQ.

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11-12-2012, 01:24 PM
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Agreed. As fans, no doubt we tend to look at our needs and look for what player in the draft best fits those needs and come up with our favourites based on this.
Of course, Scouting and drafting doesnt work this way. Teams also seem to covet certain characteristics more than others. Burke, from what we can tell, really wants to bring in players with strong character and a high hockey IQ.
also a big emphasis on skating ability too, but secondary IMO to the two you mentioned.

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This is such a strong draft by all accounts. You have some real high end talent in the top 5 range that have a chance to be stars in the NHL. In MacKinnon, there is at least potential there to become one of the top players of his generation. If not able to reach the heights of Crosby, maybe in same mold as Stamkos. The draft also seems to be very deep. There are some really good prospects who will go later in the first round that have a chance to be VERY good players in the NHL.

With all that in mind, I would love to see a shortened season and the Leafs take the stance of doing a mini retool in one season. If no major moves are made, I believe we have potential to finish bottom five and land one of those top 5 picks. Squeeking into playoffs in a shortened season should not be a big priority, IMO. Would like to see Burke move some pieces at the deadline in order to stockpile some draft picks. Another first would be brilliant, but even some 2nd rounders in this particular draft may offer some real good prospects who would be similar calibre to first rounders in another draft year. Players like Franson, McArthur, Kulemin, Liles and even Grabo could probably net something at the deadline, especially if they come in and do a good job. All of these players could be replaced by some of the youngsters on the marlies, like Kadri, Frattin, Ashton, and Holzer.

I doubt we would get much or anything for the likes of Komo, Connolly, and Lombardi, so let there contracts expire if they cannot be moved and free up salary cap room in the summer to go after Getzlaf/Perry.

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11-12-2012, 01:38 PM
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MacKinnon / Barkov / Monahan

EDIT: I'd take Jones over Monahan...not sure between him and Barkov at this point.


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11-12-2012, 02:07 PM
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If we pick high, CENTER. If not, think forward, trade up, and pick a CENTER.

MacKinnon, Barkov, Monahan. In that order.

If not possible:
Drouin, Lindholm, Shinkaruk, Ristolainen, in that order.
Not if Seth Jones or Ryan Pulock are available.

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Not if Seth Jones or Ryan Pulock are available.

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Pulock excited me

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Jones would be fine. I think a defense like...

Phaneuf Rielly
Gardiner Jones
Finn Blacker

Looks pretty nice.

But honestly, I take Drouin, Lindholm, and Shinkaruk over Pulock, no problem.

Also, the point of the forst part of the post should be the strategy, if we're close, but not quite in position to take one of the big centers. Trade up, and get one. Pay the cost. Get your franchise pivot, and figure out your complimentary pieces from there.

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11-12-2012, 03:12 PM
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Pulock excited me
Pulock has the capabilites of scoring more goals than some fwds, he could be a valuable unique weapon and the Leafs should be interested in him. He has a high ice Q and Burke and Mo are known to be drafting players that are smart players as well as talented ones. Very bullish on him too!

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Jones would be fine. I think a defense like...

Phaneuf Rielly
Gardiner Jones
Finn Blacker

Looks pretty nice.

But honestly, I take Drouin, Lindholm, and Shinkaruk over Pulock, no problem.
Also, the point of the forst part of the post should be the strategy, if we're close, but not quite in position to take one of the big centers. Trade up, and get one. Pay the cost. Get your franchise pivot, and figure out your complimentary pieces from there.
Looks like we disagree again, no way at this stage would take those 3 over Pulock.

But time will tell in May-June.

BTW, right now Blacker is looking less top 4 and more bottom 5-6.

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11-12-2012, 03:13 PM
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1) Makinnon
2) Jones
3) Barkov
4) Monahan
5) Lindholm
6) Drouin
7) Pulock
8) Shinkaruk
9) Ristolainen
10) Nuchiskin (dropped bc of russian factor)
Are my top 10 atm

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11-12-2012, 03:23 PM
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Not if Seth Jones or Ryan Pulock are available.

#Notthatsimple

#BPA
I agree with BPA. I'm not going to take a center simply because we need it, and let a potential franchise dman slide when that center might be merely a meh top line center.

However I do still think Barkov tops both of those players.

My choices go as follows

MacKinnon
Barkov
Jones
Monahan
Drouin
Nichuskin
Shinkaruk/Pulock
Ristolainen/Lindholm (the reason they are the lowest, is because I've seen nothing of them).

Not based on need but based on who I think is going to be the best player long term. BPA all the way


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Pulock has the capabilites of scoring more goals than some fwds, he could be a valuable unique weapon and the Leafs should be interested in him. He has a high ice Q and Burke and Mo are known to be drafting players that are smart players as well as talented ones. Very bullish on him too!



Looks like we disagree again, no way at this stage would take those 3 over Pulock.

But time will tell in May-June.

BTW, right now Blacker is looking less top 4 and more bottom 5-6.
I'd take Drouin over Pulock without a doubt. The offensive potential Drouin has is higher than Pulock's potential on defense IMO. The other two I'd agree go below him.

And Lindholm could be over him but I'm not sure yet.

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Keep an eye out for Jacob de la Rose, he'll probably be a mid-later first rounder but is quick, has size and has Swedish work ethic. I think he'll be a solid.

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Pulock has the capabilites of scoring more goals than some fwds, he could be a valuable unique weapon and the Leafs should be interested in him. He has a high ice Q and Burke and Mo are known to be drafting players that are smart players as well as talented ones. Very bullish on him too!



Looks like we disagree again, no way at this stage would take those 3 over Pulock.

But time will tell in May-June.

BTW, right now Blacker is looking less top 4 and more bottom 5-6.
I think Lindholm and Drouin have shown enough to warrant being selected over Pulock, but I'm on the fence about Shinkaruk still.

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I'd take Drouin over Pulock without a doubt. The offensive potential Drouin has is higher than Pulock's potential on defense IMO. The other two I'd agree go below him.

And Lindholm could be over him but I'm not sure yet.
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I think Lindholm and Drouin have shown enough to warrant being selected over Pulock, but I'm on the fence about Shinkaruk still.
This will be an interesting debate as we get closer to the draft, what is harder to find a defenceman who can score 20 goals from the back line or a winger or smallish C that can score 30-40 goals? If we are drafting in the #5 slot.

I am of the opinion that a d man that can be a threat to score 20 goals a year from the backline with a high Ice Q are extremely rare hockey players. Pulock's game is also built around solid defence to strengthen his case.

This one will probably be debated till June next year.

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Pulock has the capabilites of scoring more goals than some fwds, he could be a valuable unique weapon and the Leafs should be interested in him. He has a high ice Q and Burke and Mo are known to be drafting players that are smart players as well as talented ones. Very bullish on him too!
Pulock and Rielly on a powerplay together for the next decade with their combined hockey IQs and skating, Pulock's shot and Rielly's vision.

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Pulock and Rielly on a powerplay together for the next decade with their combined hockey IQs and skating, Pulock's shot and Rielly's vision.
Exactly, playing with Rielly, the thought of 2 guys with Ice Q's and talents like these 2 is scary.

All things considered I am intrigued by Jones too, but Pulock is a nice alternative. The more highlights I see of Jones the more I think he will give Mackinnon a run for #1 overall.

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To be honest he reminds me of Alex Tanguay. Both have excellent hands though.
I watched Tanguay a lot during his time in Halifax, and I can see similarities in style, but Drouin has been far more impressive at the same age.
I never really saw Tanguay as the centrepiece of the team's offence, but he was a great when teamed up with other top players. Drouin however, has the ability to just take over the play and dictate the pace of the game.

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11-12 Pulock highlight reel

These are old highlights, but it does partially illustrate why I am so high on the kid.


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