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LD Xavier Ouellet (2011, 48th overall, Detroit)

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11-10-2012, 02:30 PM
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11-10-2012, 02:53 PM
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Aren't you guys leaving out a half a dozen or so guys that should be in the conversation, like Pouliot, for example.

If both Rielly and Murray are on the team, Ouellet has virtually no chance of making the team.
I don't think either of those guys are Ouellet's competition. They're meant to play offensive roles. Ouellet is meant to play a defensive role. I bet you anything he'll play with Harrington on a shutdown pair.

The guys he's competing with are Murphy, Dumba, and Reinhart, IMO. Murphy would mean the team has no real shutdown pair, Dumba could possibly fill that role, and it's hard to say with Reinhart because he's never shown up when I've watched him. I think Ouellet is the happy medium amongst all of these guys.

and, no, Benoit Pouliot is way too old for the tourney. He would completely dominate, though.


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11-10-2012, 03:08 PM
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I don't think either of those guys are Ouellet's competition. They're meant to play offensive roles. Ouellet is meant to play a defensive role. I bet you anything he'll play with Harrington on a shutdown pair.

The guys he's competing with are Murphy, Dumba, and Reinhart, IMO. Murphy would mean the team has no real shutdown pair, Dumba could possibly fill that role, and it's hard to say with Reinhart because he's never shown up when I've watched him. I think Ouellet is the happy medium amongst all of these guys.

and, no, Benoit Pouliot is way too old for the tourney. He would completely dominate, though.
I was referring to Derrick Pouliot, who was taken 8th overall by Pittsburgh in the last draft.

My guess is Reinhart will get the shutdown role and Ouellet will be competing for the 2nd pair duties and his competition will be Koekoek, Finn, Pouliot and Harrington. I think it will be tough to get a spot on the team, I like Ouellet, but it's going to be tough and I don't think he's much better or much worse than the other guys listed.

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11-10-2012, 03:10 PM
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I don't think either of those guys are Ouellet's competition. They're meant to play offensive roles. Ouellet is meant to play a defensive role. I bet you anything he'll play with Harrington on a shutdown pair.

The guys he's competing with are Murphy, Dumba, and Reinhart, IMO. Murphy would mean the team has no real shutdown pair, Dumba could possibly fill that role, and it's hard to say with Reinhart because he's never shown up when I've watched him. I think Ouellet is the happy medium amongst all of these guys.

and, no, Benoit Pouliot is way too old for the tourney. He would completely dominate, though.
Derrick Pouliot, in case you're not kidding. But he's D.. sucks. Well maybe doesn't suck but it's no Reinhart or Ouellet-level.

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11-10-2012, 04:10 PM
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Please explain what is wrong with that comparison, he is a Ryan Suter type dman. And yes, im serious.
So what's a ryan suter type dman? A guy who can skate backwards and is left handed?

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11-10-2012, 04:17 PM
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I was referring to Derrick Pouliot, who was taken 8th overall by Pittsburgh in the last draft.

My guess is Reinhart will get the shutdown role and Ouellet will be competing for the 2nd pair duties and his competition will be Koekoek, Finn, Pouliot and Harrington. I think it will be tough to get a spot on the team, I like Ouellet, but it's going to be tough and I don't think he's much better or much worse than the other guys listed.
I really wish Reinhart would have shown something at the Summit Series. I don't get a lot of chances to watch him.

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11-10-2012, 04:21 PM
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Amazing how Ouellet has gone from severely underrated to somewhat overrated.

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11-10-2012, 04:37 PM
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I don't get how he's overrated... He's a good Dman with #2 upside. When someone compairs him to Suter they aren't saying he's going to be that good but they have a similar style.

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11-10-2012, 04:38 PM
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I don't get how he's overrated... He's a good Dman with #2 upside. When someone compairs him to Suter they aren't saying he's going to be that good but they have a similar style.
They don't have a similar style.

At All.

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11-10-2012, 04:40 PM
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I don't get how he's overrated... He's a good Dman with #2 upside. When someone compairs him to Suter they aren't saying he's going to be that good but they have a similar style.
I really like Ouellet, but perhaps he's less a sure thing than some people are suddenly inclined to believe.

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11-10-2012, 04:50 PM
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They don't have a similar style.

At All.
Yeah I didn't mean I agree with that just saying I don't see him being as good as Suter.

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11-10-2012, 07:10 PM
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Switch Rielly with Dumba for sure. Rielly might be the best offensive one of that bunch, definitely better offensively then Dumba.

I think Murphy gets the seventh spot and is used for the PP but the guy is a liabiility in his own zone, I've been saying it all season/summer. Some will disagree but I think Rielly's play this year coupled with other strong 2 way players (Hamilton, Ouellet) who can play D and provide similar offense will possibly mean no Murphy in the line up that often
Ya.... Uhh

There's something I think you should know....

I'm a Wild fan..

Not sure I agree with your take.

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11-10-2012, 07:13 PM
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Ya.... Uhh

There's something I think you should know....

I'm a Wild fan..

Not sure I agree with your take.
Regardless of who youre a fan of you shouldnt just be a homer lol. Riellys clearly having a much better season and deserves to be in that line up over Dumba

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11-10-2012, 08:01 PM
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So what's a ryan suter type dman? A guy who can skate backwards and is left handed?
Both were a helmet as well

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Both were a helmet as well
At which point in time was Suter a helmet? Must've been a hard life.

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11-10-2012, 09:05 PM
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Regardless of who youre a fan of you shouldnt just be a homer lol. Riellys clearly having a much better season and deserves to be in that line up over Dumba
I disagree...

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11-10-2012, 09:10 PM
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If Rielly is in then we don't need Murphy especially since Hamilton can play very well offensively as well.

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11-10-2012, 10:06 PM
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If Rielly is in then we don't need Murphy especially since Hamilton can play very well offensively as well.
Flawed logic. If we can get Murray and Rielly then we should get both of them.

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11-10-2012, 10:34 PM
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Flawed logic. If we can get Murray and Rielly then we should get both of them.
Not at the expense of cutting a good 2 way player where Murphy is a liability if he isnt on the PP. Rielly is better defensively.

And I know stats arent everything but for a guy like Murphy who would really only make the team for offensive reasons, hes not exactly producing a lot this year. 15 points in 19 games on a very good team is nothing special for an all offense player when youre comparing him to a lot of the other guys trying out for the team

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11-10-2012, 11:12 PM
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Not at the expense of cutting a good 2 way player where Murphy is a liability if he isnt on the PP. Rielly is better defensively.

And I know stats arent everything but for a guy like Murphy who would really only make the team for offensive reasons, hes not exactly producing a lot this year. 15 points in 19 games on a very good team is nothing special for an all offense player when youre comparing him to a lot of the other guys trying out for the team
John Gibson...

Kitchener aren't doing as good as you'd think...

Just read their season thread on the OHL side..

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11-12-2012, 05:43 PM
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Flawed logic. If we can get Murray and Rielly then we should get both of them.
Flawed logic yourself. If you get 7 power play specialists you miss out on some great two-way defenders. If you don't pick Murphy then maybe you can pick Reinhart, Harrington or Ouellet who will help us in other facets of the game. Rielly and Murphy are redundant and Rielly is better

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11-12-2012, 05:56 PM
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Ouellet will most likely be used in a shutdown pair with Harrington or someone else.

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11-12-2012, 06:12 PM
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John Gibson...

Kitchener aren't doing as good as you'd think...

Just read their season thread on the OHL side..
Yeah and if your number 1 dman isnt producing like he should, thats probably partially the cause for your teams struggles.

In the OHL an offensive dman like Murphy should be producing more then he is right now especially in his 4th year playing. If Murphy isnt producing offensively (which he isnt) what good is he to team Canada when theres plenty of other guys who provide offense.

Murphy is touted as a great offensive guy but hes being out produced by Hamilton, Rielly, Ceci, Ouellet, Rielly and Murrays production is pretty close. So why would Canada take him for his offense when hes a liability in his end and isnt producing like 4 or 5 others in the running for the team are? He'll probably make it because his coach is coaching but I dont think he should

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11-12-2012, 08:27 PM
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Flawed logic. If we can get Murray and Rielly then we should get both of them.
MurPHY, not Murray. Murray is a lock. Murphy will probably make the team worse.

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11-12-2012, 11:28 PM
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Murphy is touted as a great offensive guy but hes being out produced by Hamilton, Rielly, Ceci, Ouellet, Rielly and Murrays production is pretty close. So why would Canada take him for his offense when hes a liability in his end and isnt producing like 4 or 5 others in the running for the team are? He'll probably make it because his coach is coaching but I dont think he should
Not Canadian, but for what it is worth I think taking Murphy makes a lot of sense from the larger ice standpoint. His skating ability will be a big thing on that ice surface. I doubt Ouellet doesn't make the team. He always impresses coaches quickly and earns more ice time. He plays a more even game than a lot of the guys being talked about here. He can play a couple different roles and it makes bringing him an easier decision. Almost every year from this point in a couple players drop due to injury. So this back and forth might take care of itself, but I really doubt and not just because I am a Wings fan that they leave XO at home.

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