No trades yet but Rychel seemed more forthcoming in his thoughts as compared t just saying changes will be made. Talking about 6 players who haven't developed as they have thought they would. The same names talked about here probably Maletta, Bateman, Devlin, Johnson, Ebert and Clarke I imagine. The frustrating part seems to be that they have had meetings, guys benched and met with players one on one.
No trades yet but Rychel seemed more forthcoming in his thoughts as compared t just saying changes will be made. Talking about 6 players who haven't developed as they have thought they would. The same names talked about here probably Maletta, Bateman, Devlin, Johnson, Ebert and Clarke I imagine. The frustrating part seems to be that they have had meetings, guys benched and met with players one on one.
I think all 6 need to be traded.They have been a disappointment.Glad to read in the article that WR is not in too much of a hurry.More movement will come late Dec and Jan deadline.Add koko to the list if he comes back.Lets load up while we can since we will lose so many picks in the next few yrs,this might be a Godsend.
Sorry folks - not a lot of teams r going to take the gold Ed pkgs off Windsor hands. The biggest problem is no 19 year old leaders. WR has built the team for next year and with all the 18 yr olds they will be good. Someone said trade kerby. Good idea but obviously won't happen. The prob is that it's like a AAA team with dad coaching and Kerby gets every single important minute. Johnson will never move past him. I make no comments about kerby, but does the team see favoritism? Especially when Warren goes to dressing room between periods and kerby goes to coaches office? As long as kerby is held to a different standard there will be dressing room problems. Another issue is Vail. Terrible teammate and in dressing room. Thinks his **** doesn't stink.
Like I said they will be good next year but not mem cup good and the answer is simple, no hall or elliis. You need to draft well, but also be lucky and no one will admit they got lucky with the two best jr A players in Ontario in the same draft.
It's not easy to win - 20 teams r trying
I think all 6 need to be traded.They have been a disappointment.Glad to read in the article that WR is not in too much of a hurry.More movement will come late Dec and Jan deadline.Add koko to the list if he comes back.Lets load up while we can since we will lose so many picks in the next few yrs,this might be a Godsend.
We know all 6 wont be dealt,no question all have had their struggles,though Ebert has played better then last yr,his conditioning much better,he is only a -3,Clarke goes hot and cold offensively,Devlin started slowly has played better,Maletta started strong but has faded,Bateman and Johnson have struggled mightily since camp and have not improved
4 of the 6 players mentioned have gold pks edc wise,so u know they all wont be moved because of that alone
I am glad too that Rychel will be patient,no need to panic
Still rather than blaming the six mentioned ( in your opinion ) for the dismall performances of this team, throw the blame on the guys logging all the ice. It is hard to perform at a level that you are expecting them to without the proper icetime, linemates and situations where you can excel - ie. powerplay. WATCH THE GAMES AND FIGURE OUT WHO GETS THE CREDIT WHEN THEY WIN AND WHO GETS THE BLAME WHEN THEY LOSE. IT SHOULD BE THE SAME PLAYERS!
Were things different when you played?
Still rather than blaming the six mentioned ( in your opinion ) for the dismall performances of this team, throw the blame on the guys logging all the ice. It is hard to perform at a level that you are expecting them to without the proper icetime, linemates and situations where you can excel - ie. powerplay. WATCH THE GAMES AND FIGURE OUT WHO GETS THE CREDIT WHEN THEY WIN AND WHO GETS THE BLAME WHEN THEY LOSE. IT SHOULD BE THE SAME PLAYERS!
Were things different when you played?
I am not really sure what you're trying to say. If you're trying to say the team lacks depth then yes. In regards to ice time I still believe the coaches will reward players with ice time given how they are performing and whether they can fill a role. The issue right now is that it's the same guys on the PP and PK and the players are fatigued and have issues generating 5 on 5 opportunities. I know OHLTG won't like this comment but Bilcke and Clark serve very little purpose as of now. With the team struggling to score goals and struggling on the pk you can't really put the above mentioned 2 out there because they're either tied or trailing in most of these games and both have had a penchant for taking ill timed penalties. If you want to look at every forward and tell me what special teams situation they can play in and if they are dependable
Vail-PP, PK
Marchese- PP
Ho-Sang- PP
Maletta-Maybe a bit of both but he hasn't proven he can be consistent
Rychel-PP, he does do PK but that's not a strong part to his game
Johnson-PK
Schoenmakers-PP
Clarke-PK, can play PP but inconsistency prevents him from being a regular
Bilcke-neither
Clark-neither
Verbeek-neither
Studnicka-PK but isn't out there a lot
People can disagree if they want but they dress 3 forwards that can't play in any of the special teams situation. Another forward who gets very little ice, 2 forwards that have really lacked consistency (Maletta, Johnson). Two or three forwards that can only be used in PP situatons and three forwards that are capable of playing PK.
If you look back to when the team was really successful all the forwards were capable of playing in every situation for the most part the exception being Mitchell, Loktionov. Of course you had guys like Wellwood, Watson who were terrific at killing penalties and that was their only special teams role and you could rest the others.
Right now this team does not have the flexibility to roll 8-9 different forwards for various roles. In reality they only have 4 or 5 forwards and it really hampers the team.
I am not really sure what you're trying to say. If you're trying to say the team lacks depth then yes. In regards to ice time I still believe the coaches will reward players with ice time given how they are performing and whether they can fill a role. The issue right now is that it's the same guys on the PP and PK and the players are fatigued and have issues generating 5 on 5 opportunities. I know OHLTG won't like this comment but Bilcke and Clark serve very little purpose as of now. With the team struggling to score goals and struggling on the pk you can't really put the above mentioned 2 out there because they're either tied or trailing in most of these games and both have had a penchant for taking ill timed penalties. If you want to look at every forward and tell me what special teams situation they can play in and if they are dependable
Vail-PP, PK
Marchese- PP
Ho-Sang- PP
Maletta-Maybe a bit of both but he hasn't proven he can be consistent
Rychel-PP, he does do PK but that's not a strong part to his game
Johnson-PK
Schoenmakers-PP
Clarke-PK, can play PP but inconsistency prevents him from being a regular
Bilcke-neither
Clark-neither
Verbeek-neither
Studnicka-PK but isn't out there a lot
People can disagree if they want but they dress 3 forwards that can't play in any of the special teams situation. Another forward who gets very little ice, 2 forwards that have really lacked consistency (Maletta, Johnson). Two or three forwards that can only be used in PP situatons and three forwards that are capable of playing PK.
If you look back to when the team was really successful all the forwards were capable of playing in every situation for the most part the exception being Mitchell, Loktionov. Of course you had guys like Wellwood, Watson who were terrific at killing penalties and that was their only special teams role and you could rest the others.
Right now this team does not have the flexibility to roll 8-9 different forwards for various roles. In reality they only have 4 or 5 forwards and it really hampers the team.
Rayzor
I agree with your pt,though one could say the same thing about Kitchener and Owen Sd,they both only have a few forwards that can do both PP and PK,Owen Sd gets offfence from 4 forwards,while Kitchener despite having Faska and Reider have Puempel to thank for their offence
I dont see on their respective rosters alot of others who can do both
Not saying Windsor has more than can do more,just saying not less then those 2 teams
I get it though,offensively more has to come from the likes of Johnson,Clark,Maletta and Clarke
I agree with your pt,though one could say the same thing about Kitchener and Owen Sd,they both only have a few forwards that can do both PP and PK,Owen Sd gets offfence from 4 forwards,while Kitchener despite having Faska and Reider have Puempel to thank for their offence
I dont see on their respective rosters alot of others who can do both
Not saying Windsor has more than can do more,just saying not less then those 2 teams
I get it though,offensively more has to come from the likes of Johnson,Clark,Maletta and Clarke
I would agree with that. Kitchener is one of the least penalized teams in the league which might help a bit. Of course both teams have terrific goaltenders in Gibson and Binnington. Both teams are very good at the PK and usually your goalie is your best penalty killer.
Rayzor - Clark I may agree with, but Blicke I won't. No need for me to go detail-by-detail as to why, as that's been clearly stated in the past. Just about any team that has won something over the last 10-years has had one player who can be relied on to defend teammates. Just pointing that out.
I would agree with that. Kitchener is one of the least penalized teams in the league which might help a bit. Of course both teams have terrific goaltenders in Gibson and Binnington. Both teams are very good at the PK and usually your goalie is your best penalty killer.
Yes ,I would agree Gibson and Binnington are probably 2 of the top 3 goalies in the league,Subban the other in my view
Owen Sd probably has the best 6/7 defence group in the O in my view,while the Rangers not having a great defence,does have Ryan Murphy a game changer something Windsor does not have and havenot since Ryan Ellis
Rayzor - Clark I may agree with, but Blicke I won't. No need for me to go detail-by-detail as to why, as that's been clearly stated in the past. Just about any team that has won something over the last 10-years has had one player who can be relied on to defend teammates. Just pointing that out.
OHLTG
I get what u are saying,though in my view Clark is the better hockey player and I think is tougher too,its his age thats makes him more expendable then Bilcke,if they were the same age,no contest for me,it would be Clark
I get what u are saying,though in my view Clark is the better hockey player and I think is tougher too,its his age thats makes him more expendable then Bilcke,if they were the same age,no contest for me,it would be Clark
Age certainly played a factor in my post, though I think Bilcke's size plays a bigger part than some wish to believe.
Rayzor - Clark I may agree with, but Blicke I won't. No need for me to go detail-by-detail as to why, as that's been clearly stated in the past. Just about any team that has won something over the last 10-years has had one player who can be relied on to defend teammates. Just pointing that out.
Who was that guy for London last year? You can say Rupert but he also had 48 points. The only other guy would have been Flemington and he wore a suit more than he wore a uniform. London was in the middle of the pack in regards to fighting majors, nobody even in the top 20 for fighting majors. Seems to me London didn't feel the need for a Bilcke type player.
Who was that guy for London last year? You can say Rupert but he also had 48 points. The only other guy would have been Flemington and he wore a suit more than he wore a uniform. London was in the middle of the pack in regards to fighting majors, nobody even in the top 20 for fighting majors. Seems to me London didn't feel the need for a Bilcke type player.
They had Flemington, Tinordi, and Colin Martin, all of whom could go just about anyone in the league. Did they see a ton of action? No, but that wasn't the point I was making.
Who was that guy for London last year? You can say Rupert but he also had 48 points. The only other guy would have been Flemington and he wore a suit more than he wore a uniform. London was in the middle of the pack in regards to fighting majors, nobody even in the top 20 for fighting majors. Seems to me London didn't feel the need for a Bilcke type player.
This isn't the same league but I remember a guy named Wayne Gretzky who got traded to LA and requested for a player named Marty McSorley to come with him to LA. Fighters are always going to be valuable in hockey. Just because they don't get the ice time doesn't mean that they are useless. They keep guys like Rinaldo in check and as someone said on here they make everyone else feel like theyre 10 feet tall. Every team in the NHL has a player like this that has been successful and it should be the same for every team in the CHL IMO.
And before anyone says the Red Wings...when was the last time they won the cup?
Sorry folks - not a lot of teams r going to take the gold Ed pkgs off Windsor hands. The biggest problem is no 19 year old leaders. WR has built the team for next year and with all the 18 yr olds they will be good. Someone said trade kerby. Good idea but obviously won't happen. The prob is that it's like a AAA team with dad coaching and Kerby gets every single important minute. Johnson will never move past him. I make no comments about kerby, but does the team see favoritism? Especially when Warren goes to dressing room between periods and kerby goes to coaches office? As long as kerby is held to a different standard there will be dressing room problems. Another issue is Vail. Terrible teammate and in dressing room. Thinks his **** doesn't stink.Like I said they will be good next year but not mem cup good and the answer is simple, no hall or elliis. You need to draft well, but also be lucky and no one will admit they got lucky with the two best jr A players in Ontario in the same draft.
It's not easy to win - 20 teams r trying
Please elaborate if you could. I'm just curious. Didn't know anything about that.
They had Flemington, Tinordi, and Colin Martin, all of whom could go just about anyone in the league. Did they see a ton of action? No, but that wasn't the point I was making.
Colin Martin was not a fighter at all,while Tinordi who could fight was told he should not after he got beat up by McGuire and has his face smashed in,I would agree in this instance Flemmington was a non factor in Knights run to the mem cup,they seemed to have enough toughness team wise,though not as tough as the Windsor mem cup teams
Ah, okay. Thanks. I wondered. I had only heard good things about his attitude up until now.
From what I can gather, he's the ultimate team guy. Not from a single person I've talked to associated with the team have I heard anything negative about him or his attitude.
Loss to Plymouth very frustrating but also worth noting, Whalers have 7 93's on roster plus Mahalak. Windsor has Pavs. Big difference and at least part of the problem with team's inconsistency and ability to take over games when needed.
Where are the Spits 93's???
Colin Martin was not a fighter at all,while Tinordi who could fight was told he should not after he got beat up by McGuire and has his face smashed in,I would agree in this instance Flemmington was a non factor in Knights run to the mem cup,they seemed to have enough toughness team wise,though not as tough as the Windsor mem cup teams
To be fair to Tinordi, McGuire is one of the toughest in the league. Few can tangle with him. The point was Tinordi and Flemington were there if needed, which had to be a boast to the club. I also realize my point was the "usual" and not the rule.
As far as Vail goes...I've talked to him a few times and have never seen anything but positivity from him. Seems like a great team guy.
Loss to Plymouth very frustrating but also worth noting, Whalers have 7 93's on roster plus Mahalak. Windsor has Pavs. Big difference and at least part of the problem with team's inconsistency and ability to take over games when needed.
Where are the Spits 93's???
Plymouth had a terrific 09 draft Meurs, Mahalak, Noesen, Malysa, MacDonald. They also had a year out of JT Miller. They acquired Crombeen via trade and Rakell and Karlsson were import picks. Whaley was acquired from Windsor as well.
Windsor on the other hand had a decent draft when you consider the names they drafted but very little to show for it. Brassard dealt to Belleville helped win them a Memorial Cup so that helped. Trojanovic dealt when he was 17 for Robertson. Duininck dealt for picks. The best pick was Eric Locke but the frustrating part about that is he got dealt for Carnevale who later got dealt to Sarnia for picks where the Spits drafted Hunter Smith.
Overall the Spits haven't drafted well in general since the 08 draft but keep in mind that draft the guys didn't stick around very long. Fowler was a 1 year kid, Watson only 1.5 years and Campbell 1.5 years. The most they got out of that draft class was Posa.
Drafting has to get a lot better but with the lack of picks in 2013 it will probably take 3-4 more years to get back to decent drafting. Windsor sold their soul for 2 Memorial Cups and this is what you get.
