Yeah, if this nonsense of being singled out or "targeted" for physical play continues, it could hamper his development some. He'll have to be less physical and concentrate more on positional play and honing his offensive game. That's not necessarily a bad thing, but you don't want him losing his appetite for destruction either.
With his obvious love of hitting, I wonder at what point he starts to regret not giving some serious consideration to joining the Kitchener Rangers who I believe hold his CHL rights.
I doubt that the NCAA officials will actually target him much differently than a CHL official, TBH. I think sometimes officials make the wrong call, and when it's fast paced and you have something like that, the officials will rather error on making the wrong call than not making a call that should have occured.
Also, NCAA (especially the CCHA) as a whole is not a bad developmental route, especially for defensemen who tend to take longer. There are problems in all type of developmental leagues: http://www.hockeyprospectus.com/arti...articleid=1133
I doubt that the NCAA officials will actually target him much differently than a CHL official, TBH. I think sometimes officials make the wrong call, and when it's fast paced and you have something like that, the officials will rather error on making the wrong call than not making a call that should have occured.
Also, NCAA (especially the CCHA) as a whole is not a bad developmental route, especially for defensemen who tend to take longer. There are problems in all type of developmental leagues: http://www.hockeyprospectus.com/arti...articleid=1133
I agree with you on the NCAA route. I think the CHL is a great league, but it's not the be all and end all. Some prospects like Trouba, want to experience college and perhaps get a degree while doing that. I don't think it's a bad idea if you want to get your education, since you never know when an injury could derail a career. There's also life after hockey. I think some get too stuck in their idea of Nationalism.
I agree with you on the NCAA route. I think the CHL is a great league, but it's not the be all and end all. Some prospects like Trouba, want to experience college and perhaps get a degree while doing that. I don't think it's a bad idea if you want to get your education, since you never know when an injury could derail a career. There's also life after hockey. I think some get too stuck in their idea of Nationalism.
really good point, i know if i was a junior player (particularly a defensemen/goaly) who didn't look likely to be cracking a roster within 2 years, i' dbe going the NCAA route.
So, another topic was brought up on a different thread being Burmistrov vs Scheifele for 3rd C spot... That made me want to compare how they are doing using Gabe's league equivalencies (PS I only looked at even strength points for transfer... not power play, since this has been shown to be more repeatable and more align with transferable skill and ability).
Scheifele:
Team - 1st place in conference, 1st in GF in conference, PP (can't find the stat but last game I heard was running at >30%)
NHL equivalencies given 82gp: 9G, 14A, 23PTS
Burmistrov:
Team - 10th place in conference, 11th in GF in conference, PP 25th in league running at 11.5%
NHL equivalencies given 82gp: 7G, 17A, 24PTS
Note: Gabe's equivalencies do not correct for the higher level of competition at AHL due to lockout
Just for fun, a 3rd party scouting view:
Quote:
Winnipeg Jets Organizational Top 10
Players 22 or under as of 09/15/2012 or still considered a prospect as defined here.
1. Evander Kane, Center
2. Zach Bogosian, Defense
3. Alexander Burmistrov, Center
4. Mark Scheifele, Center
5. Jacob Trouba, Defense
6. Ivan Telegin, Center
7. Paul Postma, Defense
8. Patrice Cormier, Center
9. Carl Klingberg, Right Wing
10. Zach Redmond, Defense
I'm aware that this is a rather boring ranking, in that the three NHLers appear 1-2-3, although between Burmistrov and Scheifele, it was a hard call to make. Kane and Bogosian look to be on the path to be top-tier players for many years. Bogosian may never be an offensive juggernaut but he has high-end defensive upside and can certainly be a good offensive player. I love Burmistrov's puck skills and hockey sense, which is why despite the fact the production hasn't really come, I'm still optimistic about him. He's still pretty young, does fine at even strength, and has the potential to come around in a big way.
So, another topic was brought up on a different thread being Burmistrov vs Scheifele for 3rd C spot... That made me want to compare how they are doing using Gabe's league equivalencies (PS I only looked at even strength points for transfer... not power play, since this has been shown to be more repeatable and more align with transferable skill and ability).
Scheifele:
Team - 1st place in conference, 1st in GF in conference, PP (can't find the stat but last game I heard was running at >30%)
NHL equivalencies given 82gp: 9G, 14A, 23PTS
Burmistrov:
Team - 10th place in conference, 11th in GF in conference, PP 25th in league running at 11.5%
NHL equivalencies given 82gp: 7G, 17A, 24PTS
Note: Gabe's equivalencies do not correct for the higher level of competition at AHL due to lockout
So, you're saying both are lousy 3rd line centers?
So, you're saying both are lousy 3rd line centers?
This is 5v5 points...
So Scheifele isn't bad for a rookie... Ironically that puts him exact same pts 5v5 as Couturier's rookie season
Also, Burmi's number's should be higher due to the higher QoC the AHL is this year. But this would put him exact same pts as last year...
These things aren't 100% accurate of course otherwise I'd start placing bets
But what it is good for is to help us forget the difference between man vs boys QoC and man vs men QoC...
By all accounts it sounds like Scheifele impressed a lot of people after this game. Pundits and other posters here on HF were often singing his praise and many called him the best player in the game. Really great to hear.
CHL:
Brassard and Belleville Bulls host Kosmachuk and Guelph Storm
Lowry and Team WHL host Team Russia for SSS
Guelph Storm 2 - Belleville Bulls 1
Last Update: Final (SO)
Kosmachuk 0-0-0. +0. 2pim
2 - GUE S. Kosmachuk, 15:36 - High Sticking, 2 min (PP)
Brassard 0-0-0, +0, 4pim
2 - BELV A. Brassard, 17:08 - Tripping, 2 min (PP)
3 - BELV A. Brassard, 5:17 - Roughing, 2 min (PP) Unfortunately, Kosmachuk fails to tie up the game in shutout and they lose
Team WHL 1 - Team Russia 0
Last Update: Final (SO)
Lowry 0-0-0, +0, 0pim
Preview for tonight's Michigan vs Notre Dame game here.
The game's being broadcast on CBS Sportsnet so hopefully there will be a stream available somewhere.
Jacob Trouba -- Fr., D, Michigan -- The No. 9 overall pick to Winnipeg in the NHL draft has made a statement in his young collegiate career. With crushing hits, including one that landed him a one-game suspension, Trouba is showing he is 18 only in age. He plays a man's game and has made himself a feared player. Trouba is also contributing offensively, averaging a point-per-game with three goals and five assists through his first eight college contests. He plays a style that will jump off your television screen and maybe even bring you out of your seat.
Jacob Trouba -- Fr., D, Michigan -- The No. 9 overall pick to Winnipeg in the NHL draft has made a statement in his young collegiate career. With crushing hits, including one that landed him a one-game suspension, Trouba is showing he is 18 only in age. He plays a man's game and has made himself a feared player. Trouba is also contributing offensively, averaging a point-per-game with three goals and five assists through his first eight college contests. He plays a style that will jump off your television screen and maybe even bring you out of your seat.
*drool*
they sure know how to sell him. If this is the type of player he continues to be (with maybe a litle bit of an increase in hockey IQ) we will have a real treat on our hands....welll .... a treat for us...not so much for the competition.
they sure know how to sell him. If this is the type of player he continues to be (with maybe a litle bit of an increase in hockey IQ) we will have a real treat on our hands....welll .... a treat for us...not so much for the competition.
The more and more I watch him, the more I realize he's the perfect RD to be behind Bogosian (if he keeps his progression and development at this pace). Meanstreak is nice but I think I like Trouba for reasons in this order:
* strong skater, strong on the puck and solid passing ability - helps him push the play forward and into the OZ
* good positioning, gap control and skating in all 4 directions - excellent DZ coverage and control
* decent IQ and shot - although I'm still skeptical that he'll become an offensive machine in the NHL he should be solid enough option for 2nd PP (which is fine for a team that has Enstrom, Byfuglien, Postma, Clitsome and Bogosian)
* mean, fearful and tough - keeps the opposing team's head up and think twice about going infront of the net
Basically this guy's upside is being a solid #2 skill-wise and he'll most likely be a #3 for most on our depth charts... I love having too much depth
I caught the last two periods of the Michigan - Notre Dame game yesterday. Trouba was a rock on defense but I can't say the same for the rest Michigan's D. Notre Dame's forwards just looked stronger and were pinning Michigan in their own zone a lot of the game with a really good cycle. Trouba looked like the smartest player on the ice for Michigan, always making the right play. Iwoud say his passing stood out most to me, always tape to tape no matter the distance up the ice. You could see he was trying to get the forwards going with stretch passes but ND was playing great D at their own blueline.
I caught the last two periods of the Michigan - Notre Dame game yesterday. Trouba was a rock on defense but I can't say the same for the rest Michigan's D. Notre Dame's forwards just looked stronger and were pinning Michigan in their own zone a lot of the game with a really good cycle. Trouba looked like the smartest player on the ice for Michigan, always making the right play. Iwoud say his passing stood out most to me, always tape to tape no matter the distance up the ice. You could see he was trying to get the forwards going with stretch passes but ND was playing great D at their own blueline.
Thanks for the post. Yeah I think Jets fans are liking him more and more with each passing day. I for one can't wait to start seeing him patrol the Jets blueline. With him and Bogo in the lineup the Jets d will be anything but easy to play against.
