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Off-season madness the 2nd: Jays get Reyes, Johnson, Buehrle, Bonifacio

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11-13-2012, 06:39 PM
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Toronto Blue Jays Receive:
Jose Reyes, SS
Josh Johnson, RHP
Mark Buehrle, LHP
Emilio Bonifacio, INF/OF
John Buck, C

Miami Marlins Receive:
Henderson Alvarez, RHP
Yunel Escobar, SS
Adeiny Hechavarria, 2B/SS
Justin Nicolino, LHP
Jake Marisnick, OF
One of JP Arencibia, Bobby Wilson, or Jeff Mathis, C

I think thats right.

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Hopefully Gose isn't included, and if they can shore up 1B and LF this team should be beastly next year.

Feels good man.
I think I would rather Gose than Marsnick, but most of this board knows the prospects better than I do so I could be wrong.

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Buehle > Romero, Johnson, & maybe Morrow
Lol no. Buehrle is more consistent, but Johnson & Morrow are both better than him. 2011 Romero would've been too. Realistically the rotation is:

Johnson
Morrow
Buehrle
Romero
Happ

right now.

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Toronto Blue Jays Receive:
Jose Reyes, SS
Josh Johnson, RHP
Mark Buehrle, LHP
Emilio Bonifacio, INF/OF
John Buck, C

Miami Marlins Receive:
Henderson Alvarez, RHP
Yunel Escobar, SS
Adeiny Hechavarria, 2B/SS
Justin Nicolino, LHP
Jake Marisnick, OF
One of JP Arencibia, Bobby Wilson, or Jeff Mathis, C

I think thats right.
as far as we know right now, yes it is.

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Lol no. Buehrle is more consistent, but Johnson & Morrow are both better than him. 2011 Romero would've been too. Realistically the rotation is:

Johnson
Morrow
Buehrle
Romero
Happ

right now.
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I am excited right now!!! Waiting for the final deal though, because this seems too good to be true

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So uhh, anybody that doubted AA and called Rogers cheap, please kindly eat your ****ing words.
I give AA and Rogers credit. They stepped.

Cash might be coming back to Toronto.

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Also I think Jays will be better off in keeping Marisnick. JMO

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Lol no. Buehrle is more consistent, but Johnson & Morrow are both better than him.
i can agree with that. buehrle's a sure thing, and i prefer sure things.

my main problem was that B was a "#3" guy, when he's clearly a #1B or 2; Romero last season shouldnt even be playing, Johnson is a #2, and Morrow is still a question mark


whatever, i like all of these guys, drinks on me everybody

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Bunch of Jays are tweeting or re-tweeting about this....but JP Arencibia is suspiciously quiet

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So with this deal, Jays have solved pretty much all the holes except LF. Awesome.

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Toronto Blue Jays Receive:
Jose Reyes, SS
Josh Johnson, RHP
Mark Buehrle, LHP
Emilio Bonifacio, INF/OF
John Buck, C

Miami Marlins Receive:
Henderson Alvarez, RHP
Yunel Escobar, SS
Adeiny Hechavarria, 2B/SS
Justin Nicolino, LHP
Jake Marisnick, OF
One of JP Arencibia, Bobby Wilson, or Jeff Mathis, C

I think thats right.
The only thing of real consequence we gave up was Nicolino and Marisnick (maybe Alvarez). The chance all 3 of those hit their full potential still doesn't equal what we just acquired. Absolutely brilliant trade.

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Starting pitching fixed.
Middle infield fixed.
So just LF and DH left?
Maybe Josh Hamilton will look at Toronto a little differently cause we got a few stars!

Romero, Morrow, Johnson, Buehrle and Drabek has potential to be a good rotation, what do you guys think about Drabek though? Will he start? I also want to move JPA to first base and roll d'Arnaud and Buck as our catchers.

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I think I would rather Gose than Marsnick, but most of this board knows the prospects better than I do so I could be wrong.
Marsinick is so far away we don't have to worry, Gose is near MLB ready if not ready already, and he's got insane SB potential, one of the top gloves and underrated hitting.

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Massive trade. Got to be thinking playoffs or bust now. Great job AA.

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Bob Elliott says Mathis.

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Anyone find it awesome that the hole we have is DH/LF? And one of the bigger FA's this year is a LF/DH? Josh Hamilton make us the favourite for the World Series. Please?

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I am actually shocked that we didnt have to include one of d'Arnaud, Syndergaard or Sanchez.

This trade didnt even dent our farm that much.

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Maybe Josh Hamilton will look at Toronto a little differently cause we got a few stars!

Romero, Morrow, Johnson, Buehrle and Drabek has potential to be a good rotation, what do you guys think about Drabek though? Will he start? I also want to move JPA to first base and roll d'Arnaud and Buck as our catchers.
drabek won't be back next year, still hurt

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this is so much to take in, this is the day you dream of as a sports fan... Onley has a video up on espn... words he used were historic trade... one of the biggest in MLB history... I like what we got better than what the dodgers got from the Sox

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sorry for my ignorance.. and not trying to rain on anyone's parade

so how much better is Reyes over Escobar? i really liked Escobar actually, but everyone has been raving reyes.

Would you say Buehrle is a #1 starter, how does he compare to Romero (well the year before, not last year). Josh Johnson vs Marcum (who would you like?)..

What kinda starter is Nicholino projected to be?.. I am still trying to digest it all!
Reyes has had a down season last year(4.5 WAR), but it comes out to being any season better than Escobar. Reyes has the ability to be an elite level SS. The season before last, he had a great season. This is a guy who can consistently get on base, steal bases and collect walks/not strike out. Escobar is a nice player and comes cheap, but Reyes is an upgrade across the board except fielding for the Jays.

Buehrle right now is at best a solid #3. He's a control pitcher who doesn't K alot but doesn't walk alot either.

Josh Johnson for me is better than Marcum. Again using WAR, JJ's last season was a down season(3.8) and yet it was it was still better than any season Marcum has put up. I see Josh Johnson as a #1 is he can stay healthy.

We didn't give up a whole lot imo. Escobar is a decent starting SS who can do every pretty well. Hechavarria is a good fielding SS, but his bat isn't developed at all. He could be a Brenden Ryan(my belief is he wont develop his bat). Marisnick is a legit talent and could be a big time player, but needs time. Alvarez and Nicolino are good pitchers with decent stuff, but I'm not sure either well be top 2 pitchers. I'm not even sure Alvarez will stay in the rotation.

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