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11-13-2012, 10:15 PM
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good. Lets do this!
Meh, I don't think any Van fans are good with it. Kadri to Schroeder is a moderate upgrade, but Percy is unspectacular and doesn't really fill any needs for us, and a 1st in 2014 is too far away to make an impact with this core. If it's a 1st conditional on playoffs, then there's nothing to lose by making it 2013. Imho one of JVR, Lupul, or Kulemin(in order of preference) would need to be involved. Gillis has said we need to be a better team, and that trade doesn't do that.

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11-13-2012, 10:25 PM
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Connolly is both exciting and frustrating to watch. He has that capabilty to almost slow things down on the ice and he is very creative while setting up his linemates. On the flip side, he doesn't seem to show up every night, not to mention he seems to find himself on the IR from time to time.
He comes off as a top 6 or press box kind of guy. Even Raymond, despite the qualities he brings to the backchecking, breakout/zone entry, and defensive aspects to the game, found himself in the press box when he wasn't producing. Judging by Connolly's recent seasons, his offensive production wouldn't keep him out of the press box and if that were the case then I'd much rather have Raymond. If a cap dump has to come back the other way, I hope Lombardi can handle 80% d-zone starts(-edit- oh god that +/-).

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Meh, I don't think any Van fans are good with it. Kadri to Schroeder is a moderate upgrade, but Percy is unspectacular and doesn't really fill any needs for us, and a 1st in 2014 is too far away to make an impact with this core. If it's a 1st conditional on playoffs, then there's nothing to lose by making it 2013. Imho one of JVR, Lupul, or Kulemin(in order of preference) would need to be involved. Gillis has said we need to be a better team, and that trade doesn't do that.
You can take Schroeder out

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11-13-2012, 10:27 PM
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Meh, I don't think any Van fans are good with it. Kadri to Schroeder is a moderate upgrade, but Percy is unspectacular and doesn't really fill any needs for us, and a 1st in 2014 is too far away to make an impact with this core. If it's a 1st conditional on playoffs, then there's nothing to lose by making it 2013. Imho one of JVR, Lupul, or Kulemin(in order of preference) would need to be involved. Gillis has said we need to be a better team, and that trade doesn't do that.
Ok...here we go, a few proposals (the 1st will be 2013 playoff protected as per your suggestion).

1. Lupul 1st an 4th for Luongo

2. Kuli, Kadri 1st

3.Kadri, Colborne 1st

4.Kuli, Connolly 1st.

Now..it seems some want Raymond gone, we could add something else if that were to happen.

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11-13-2012, 10:30 PM
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Ok...here we go, a few proposals (the 1st will be 2013 playoff protected as per your suggestion).

1. Lupul 1st an 4th for Luongo

2. Kuli, Kadri 1st

3.Kadri, Colborne 1st

4.Kuli, Connolly 1st.

Now..it seems some want Raymond gone, we could add something else if that were to happen.
That's essentially the high-low range of what I would expect in a deal. I don't feel the need to pawn off Raymond, he's expendable, but he doesn't need to be included in every single proposal we make. He's still a decent player, and it doesn't make sense for us to sell low on him.

I'd probably pull the trigger on the first two, hum and haw over the third, and only take the last out of desperation.

Ideally I'd want the first one, though.

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11-13-2012, 10:32 PM
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Hmmm...what about something like this than...


Lombardi + Kadri + Percy + 1st in 2014

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Luongo + Lapierre

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That's essentially the high-low range of what I would expect in a deal. I don't feel the need to pawn off Raymond, he's expendable, but he doesn't need to be included in every single proposal we make. He's still a decent player, and it doesn't make sense for us to sell low on him.
I wasn't trying to make it sound like a dump...it's just some seemed to think he didn't have a place. I would add as i saif or he can be left out.

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11-13-2012, 10:35 PM
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Can't afford to give up Lappy. He's 3C unless we find a better option... which won't be Lombardi and his spectacular -19 +/-

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I wasn't trying to make it sound like a dump...it's just some seemed to think he didn't have a place. I would add as i saif or he can be left out.
Yeah, that's fine. I don't think he needs to be included, especially as Toronto already has enough tweeners as it is.

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11-13-2012, 10:38 PM
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Yeah, that's fine. I don't think he needs to be included, especially as Toronto already has enough tweeners as it is.
Do any of those interest you?

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Hmmm...what about something like this than...


Lombardi + Kadri + Percy + 1st in 2014

for

Luongo + Lapierre
Surprisingly for myself and other canuck fans Lapierre is a non starter. Meaning he's too valuable to us as a 3/4 center to move.

We've struggled too long to find someone adequate in that position to have him be a throw-in in a trade.

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11-13-2012, 10:39 PM
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Ok...here we go, a few proposals (the 1st will be 2013 playoff protected as per your suggestion).

1. Lupul 1st an 4th for Luongo

2. Kuli, Kadri 1st

3.Kadri, Colborne 1st

4.Kuli, Connolly 1st.

Now..it seems some want Raymond gone, we could add something else if that were to happen.
Deal 1 is good. Deal 2 is good, but swap Kadri for Colbourne and I think both fan bases are happy. Deal 3 is good. Add Colbourne to deal 4 and I think it's good.

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Hmmm...what about something like this than...


Lombardi + Kadri + Percy + 1st in 2014

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Luongo + Lapierre
Pretty much the same offer, but worse because we give up Lappy instead of Raymond (since you said take Schroeder out of your first proposal).

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11-13-2012, 10:40 PM
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Ok, Ok. This is not something I'm known for doing, but in no way am I conceding...so here goes...


To Vancouver:
Tim Connolly
Nazem Kadri
Stuart Percy
1st in 2013 or 2014 (Toronto's choice)



To Toronto:
Mason Raymond
Jordan Schroeder
Roberto Luongo


Thoughts???
Probably good value, but leaves the Canucks waaaay too weak up the middle for prospects. Not sure if Connolly will fit under the cap this year as well.

edit: If you take out Schroeder, it would be tempting.

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Can't afford to give up Lappy. He's 3C unless we find a better option... which won't be Lombardi and his spectacular -19 +/-
Well, you could either deal Lapierre/Raymond/Hansen, Vancouver's choice.

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Probably good value, but leaves the Canucks waaaay too weak up the middle for prospects. Not sure if Connolly will fit under the cap this year as well.
You could keep Schroeder.

Connolly should fit as you'd be dumping Luongo's and Raymond's contracts.

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Ok, Ok. This is not something I'm known for doing, but in no way am I conceding...so here goes...


To Vancouver:
Tim Connolly
Nazem Kadri
Stuart Percy
1st in 2013 or 2014 (Toronto's choice)



To Toronto:
Mason Raymond
Jordan Schroeder
Roberto Luongo


Thoughts???
You are getting closer. Swap Kadri for Colbourne. Swap Percy for Frattin/Kulemin. Take out Schroeder. And I think we got a deal.

Connolly
Colbourne
Frattin/Kulemin
1st

For
Luongo
Raymond

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11-13-2012, 10:43 PM
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Deal 1 is good. Deal 2 is good, but swap Kadri for Colbourne and I think both fan bases are happy. Deal 3 is good. Add Colbourne to deal 4 and I think it's good.
Okay..strike deal 4, take your choice between Kadri Colbourne and pick your deal...i'll get Burke on the phone.

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11-13-2012, 10:44 PM
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You are getting closer. Swap Kadri for Colbourne. Swap Percy for Frattin/Kulemin. Take out Schroeder. And I think we got a deal.
I'd meet you 2/3rds of the way.

You could take Colborne.
You can keep Schroeder.
But we don't deal Frattin or Kulemin.

I'd consider swapping Percy for Blacker if Vancouver would prefer.

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11-13-2012, 10:45 PM
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Lupul makes much more sense for us than Colborne or Kadri to target. A playmaking top-6 winger is something we need. We have decent centre prospects in Schroeder and Gaunce, and even better winger prospects in Kassian and Jensen. For a team looking to contend now, Lupul makes the most sense.

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Okay..strike deal 4, take your choice between Kadri Colbourne and pick your deal...i'll get Burke on the phone.
If the deal does go down with the Leafs. I wonder which one of us is gonna be right lol. We have went through so many combinations by now, one must be right! If only we could get some bets going lol.

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11-13-2012, 10:48 PM
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so....

Connolly
Colborne
Percy/Blacker
1st in 2014

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Raymond
Luongo

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11-13-2012, 10:51 PM
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I'd meet you 2/3rds of the way.

You could take Colborne.
You can keep Schroeder.
But we don't deal Frattin or Kulemin.

I'd consider swapping Percy for Blacker if Vancouver would prefer.
Lombardi instead of Connolly
Finn instead of Percy/Blacker

Lombardi
Colbourne
Finn
1st

I'm not sure I'm good with this but I'm really trying to work with you here. If it was GM Liferleafer or GM Dougilmore93, I'm sorry I'm going with my friend Liferleafer. But hey I'll admit you are definitely being much more reasonable then before!

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MacArthur
Franson/Holzer
Kadri/Colborne/1st

for

Luongo

Keep Lombardi/Connolly for your own checking line.

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Lombardi instead of Connolly
Finn instead of Percy/Blacker

Lombardi
Colbourne
Finn
1st

I'm not sure I'm good with this but I'm really trying to work with you here. If it was GM Liferleafer or GM Dougilmore93, I'm sorry I'm going with my friend Liferleafer. But hey I'll admit you are definitely being much more reasonable then before!


I'm not sure if I could give up on Finn just yet as we just drafted him and it's looking like he's the steal of the draft. That kinda crap never happens to us, so I'm inclined to hold onto him.

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