HFBoards

Go Back   HFBoards > NHL Western Conference > Pacific Division > Vancouver Canucks
Mobile Hockey's Future Become a Sponsor Site Rules Support Forum vBookie Page 2
Notices

Luongo Thread: Still Haven't Found What I'm Looking For (Mod Warning in OP)

Closed Thread
 
Thread Tools
Old
11-13-2012, 06:46 PM
  #551
Vankiller Whale
Maybe HE can score
 
Vankiller Whale's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2012
Location: Toronto
Country: Canada
Posts: 24,394
vCash: 5555
Quote:
Originally Posted by SunshineRays View Post
Rick Bowness on team 1040 today talking Canucks.

Sounds like they are really concerned about injuries in a shortened season. Also, talked about Garrisons d partner next season. He said Jasons only comfortable on leftside, so they will leave him there. Will either try Bieksa with him, or move Edler to right side. (I'd assume Tanev would play with Hamhuis). Breaking up one of the best shut down pairings in the NHL is a bad idea IMO (Hammer/Bieksa).

I'm guessing they try to keep Luongo for as long as possible to mitigate any potential goalie injury concerns. I was pretty sure they'd try Garrison on right side, now that doesn't seem a possibility. Gotta think a righty d-man is definitely coming back as a piece in a goalie trade.
Oh no. Oh no no no. No.

#Ballardv2.0

Vankiller Whale is online now  
Old
11-13-2012, 06:46 PM
  #552
Reverend Mayhem
CRJ + RNH = Sex
 
Reverend Mayhem's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: Port Coquitlam, BC
Country: Canada
Posts: 19,171
vCash: 940
Send a message via Skype™ to Reverend Mayhem
Quote:
Originally Posted by SunshineRays View Post
Rick Bowness on team 1040 today talking Canucks.

Sounds like they are really concerned about injuries in a shortened season. Also, talked about Garrisons d partner next season. He said Jasons only comfortable on leftside, so they will leave him there. Will either try Bieksa with him, or move Edler to right side. (I'd assume Tanev would play with Hamhuis). Breaking up one of the best shut down pairings in the NHL is a bad idea IMO (Hammer/Bieksa).

I'm guessing they try to keep Luongo for as long as possible to mitigate any potential goalie injury concerns. I was pretty sure they'd try Garrison on right side, now that doesn't seem a possibility. Gotta think a righty d-man is definitely coming back as a piece in a goalie trade.
That should jettison Ballard out of town, but breaking up HamJuice is a bad idea. I didn't like it when they did it last year, and I don't like it now.

Reverend Mayhem is offline  
Old
11-13-2012, 06:51 PM
  #553
SunshineRays
Registered User
 
SunshineRays's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2012
Posts: 864
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Vankiller Whale View Post
Oh no. Oh no no no. No.

#Ballardv2.0
Lol. I'm wayyyyyy more concerned about the thought of Edler trying to play on the right side. In fact, I'm freaking out.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Reverend Mayhem View Post
That should jettison Ballard out of town, but breaking up HamJuice is a bad idea. I didn't like it when they did it last year, and I don't like it now.
Breaking up that pairing is def a bad idea. Though Hamhuis/Tanev was a rockstar pairing last season - not on the ice for a single goal against. More concerned about Bieksa without Hamhuis.

Either way, relying on Edler to play the right side has disaster 2.0 written all over it. They can't rely on that, there has to be a righty coming back in a goalie trade or Ballards traded for a righty.

SunshineRays is offline  
Old
11-13-2012, 07:01 PM
  #554
SunshineRays
Registered User
 
SunshineRays's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2012
Posts: 864
vCash: 500
Strombone ‏@strombone1

Quote:
Weirdest thing, Jeffrey Loria just called.......
Lol! Oh Lu

SunshineRays is offline  
Old
11-13-2012, 07:03 PM
  #555
Reverend Mayhem
CRJ + RNH = Sex
 
Reverend Mayhem's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: Port Coquitlam, BC
Country: Canada
Posts: 19,171
vCash: 940
Send a message via Skype™ to Reverend Mayhem
Quote:
Originally Posted by SunshineRays View Post


Breaking up that pairing is def a bad idea. Though Hamhuis/Tanev was a rockstar pairing last season - not on the ice for a single goal against. More concerned about Bieksa without Hamhuis.

Either way, relying on Edler to play the right side has disaster 2.0 written all over it. They can't rely on that, there has to be a righty coming back in a goalie trade or Ballards traded for a righty.
Until the end right? Stoll's OT goal.

I think Hamhuis and Bieksa just make each other so much better it would be detrimental to keep them apart.

Edler should not be playing a position he's never played before. That has disaster as an imminent outcome.

Reverend Mayhem is offline  
Old
11-13-2012, 07:04 PM
  #556
Scurr
Registered User
 
Scurr's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Whalley
Country: Canada
Posts: 7,702
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by SunshineRays View Post
Rick Bowness on team 1040 today talking Canucks.

Sounds like they are really concerned about injuries in a shortened season. Also, talked about Garrisons d partner next season. He said Jasons only comfortable on leftside, so they will leave him there. Will either try Bieksa with him, or move Edler to right side. (I'd assume Tanev would play with Hamhuis). Breaking up one of the best shut down pairings in the NHL is a bad idea IMO (Hammer/Bieksa).

I'm guessing they try to keep Luongo for as long as possible to mitigate any potential goalie injury concerns. I was pretty sure they'd try Garrison on right side, now that's not a possibility. Gotta think a righty d-man is definitely coming back as a piece in a goalie trade.
He said Garrison is more comfortable on the left side so they are going to start him there. Makes sense to make the new guy comfortable. I think you're overstating exactly what that means going forward.

That said, I really hope they have a plan for this. I called it being a problem when they brought Ballard and Hamhuis in (the Flyers went to the finals with 6 LHD!) they must have learned from that. There is no reason Edler can't play the right side, I just hope they told him the second they signed Garrison if that's what they want to do. Someone as talented as Edler can pull it off pretty easily with some extra work.

Scurr is offline  
Old
11-13-2012, 07:04 PM
  #557
Bleach Clean
Registered User
 
Bleach Clean's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Posts: 15,299
vCash: 500
Trade Raymond and Ballard for an unsigned Subban... One can dream right?

Bleach Clean is offline  
Old
11-13-2012, 07:16 PM
  #558
MajorCanuck
Cup Please
 
MajorCanuck's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: Surrey, BC
Posts: 685
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bleach Clean View Post
Trade Raymond and Ballard for an unsigned Subban... One can dream right?
Brilliant cash dump.

MajorCanuck is online now  
Old
11-13-2012, 07:23 PM
  #559
kanuck87
Registered User
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Posts: 4,208
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bleach Clean View Post
Trade Raymond and Ballard for an unsigned Subban... One can dream right?
I guess someone will trade us their scraps for an unsigned Edler too.

kanuck87 is offline  
Old
11-13-2012, 07:23 PM
  #560
craigcaulks*
Registered Luser.
 
Join Date: Jun 2012
Location: East Van!
Country: Canada
Posts: 3,000
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bleach Clean View Post
Trade Raymond and Ballard for an unsigned Subban... One can dream right?
You forgot "...and a 3rd round pick".

craigcaulks* is offline  
Old
11-13-2012, 07:35 PM
  #561
SunshineRays
Registered User
 
SunshineRays's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2012
Posts: 864
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Scurr View Post
He said Garrison is more comfortable on the left side so they are going to start him there. Makes sense to make the new guy comfortable. I think you're overstating exactly what that means going forward.

That said, I really hope they have a plan for this. I called it being a problem when they brought Ballard and Hamhuis in (the Flyers went to the finals with 6 LHD!) they must have learned from that. There is no reason Edler can't play the right side, I just hope they told him the second they signed Garrison if that's what they want to do. Someone as talented as Edler can pull it off pretty easily with some extra work.
I wasn't trying to portray that he can't play the right side, merely that they aren't using him there "Jason is more comfortable on the left side, and that's where we're planning on putting him".

So, Garrisons going to be playing the left side - who will be playing on his right? I 'assumed' all along he'd be playing the right. Now that's not going to happen, they're going to assume Edler can play the right side? Edler had trouble with defensive responsibilities on the left side. Garrison at least had experience playing on the right. In my mind, it leaves a huge gap on the right side, something they'll probably need to address via trade.

SunshineRays is offline  
Old
11-13-2012, 07:41 PM
  #562
Pseudonymous
Registered User
 
Pseudonymous's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Posts: 5,498
vCash: 500
I figured this was going to be a bigger problem than most thought. Why does a team go out and get that many LD with high salaries, they must plan on moving edler. I dont see Hamhuis getting traded and i dont see any of Hamhuis Edler or Garrison playing 3rd pairing duties

And if youre going to pay a guy big bucks, playing them on their off side doesn't make much sense. Since when we do just acquire a winger knowing we're going to just throw him on the off wing.

Pseudonymous is offline  
Old
11-13-2012, 07:41 PM
  #563
StringerBell
 
Join Date: Apr 2012
Posts: 10,000
vCash: 500
I wouldn't be too concerned with pairing Edler on the right next to Garrison. Edler is primarily used as the offensive defenseman, and playing on the right is often a conducive environment for LH PMD's. I would be far more worried playing the defensive defenseman in a position he's not comfortable in than the offensive guy. Hopefully Edler can take on an Ehrhoff-type role, except with added physicality and stronger defensive play.

StringerBell is offline  
Old
11-13-2012, 07:54 PM
  #564
Liferleafer
RIP Mrs Doubtfire
 
Liferleafer's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2011
Posts: 9,351
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bleach Clean View Post
Trade Raymond and Ballard for an unsigned Subban... One can dream right?
Does it change the asking price on Luongo if we take Raymond and Ballard?

Liferleafer is offline  
Old
11-13-2012, 07:58 PM
  #565
StringerBell
 
Join Date: Apr 2012
Posts: 10,000
vCash: 500
No. Ballard is a useful player and will be happily retained if the cap permits it. Raymond is a bit redundant on the left wing, but he's due for a bounce back year after finally being able to train properly and is definitely still a positive value player around the league.

StringerBell is offline  
Old
11-13-2012, 08:06 PM
  #566
Liferleafer
RIP Mrs Doubtfire
 
Liferleafer's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2011
Posts: 9,351
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by LuckyLager View Post
No. Ballard is a useful player and will be happily retained if the cap permits it. Raymond is a bit redundant on the left wing, but he's due for a bounce back year after finally being able to train properly and is definitely still a positive value player around the league.
No worries, it just seemed like some were looking to dump them and i was giving an option.

Liferleafer is offline  
Old
11-13-2012, 08:22 PM
  #567
vanuck
Griffiths Way Goons
 
vanuck's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Country: Hong Kong
Posts: 10,035
vCash: 250
Quote:
Originally Posted by LuckyLager View Post
I wouldn't be too concerned with pairing Edler on the right next to Garrison. Edler is primarily used as the offensive defenseman, and playing on the right is often a conducive environment for LH PMD's. I would be far more worried playing the defensive defenseman in a position he's not comfortable in than the offensive guy. Hopefully Edler can take on an Ehrhoff-type role, except with added physicality and stronger defensive play.
Agree with this. Much rather try the offensive D-man on the right as opposed to the shutdown guy.

vanuck is offline  
Old
11-13-2012, 08:26 PM
  #568
Bleach Clean
Registered User
 
Bleach Clean's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Posts: 15,299
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by kanuck87 View Post
I guess someone will trade us their scraps for an unsigned Edler too.

It's a "dream" scenario. Work with me here...


Or you know, if you want to deal Edler across for Subban, maybe that works better?

Bleach Clean is offline  
Old
11-13-2012, 08:50 PM
  #569
StringerBell
 
Join Date: Apr 2012
Posts: 10,000
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by vanuck View Post
Agree with this. Much rather try the offensive D-man on the right as opposed to the shutdown guy.
I think Edler could easily emulate Campbell's role from last year on what was a great pairing in Florida with Garrison.

StringerBell is offline  
Old
11-13-2012, 10:03 PM
  #570
Scurr
Registered User
 
Scurr's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Whalley
Country: Canada
Posts: 7,702
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by SunshineRays View Post
Edler had trouble with defensive responsibilities on the left side.
IMO that is something he can iron out. A lot of people don't appreciate how difficult it is to switch sides but it's not impossible. I just hope they gave him a heads up so he could work on it this offseason and that they commit to it.

Scurr is offline  
Old
11-13-2012, 10:06 PM
  #571
Scottrockztheworld*
 
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: Vancouver
Country: Canada
Posts: 8,301
vCash: 500
After reading that about Garrison for some reason I'm having a feeling in my stomach that we may end up with a top 4 of:

Hamhuis - Tanev
Garrison - Bieksa


and we ship off Edler to get a forward.... which I wouldn't like.


However I'd imagine that Tanev would REALLY need to earn Vancouver's trust before they pulled that off.... or maybe we get back a Dman prospect in a Luongo trade???

Who knows? All I know is I want this Lockout over so we don't have to continue the speculation on how this team will look.

Scottrockztheworld* is offline  
Old
11-13-2012, 10:53 PM
  #572
14s incisor
Registered User
 
14s incisor's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2012
Location: Vancouver Island
Country: Canada
Posts: 597
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bleach Clean View Post
It's a "dream" scenario. Work with me here...


Or you know, if you want to deal Edler across for Subban, maybe that works better?
No. Subban is a clown, whereas Edler has shown himself to be nothing but a class act. I'll take Edler's skill set over Subban's, as well.

14s incisor is online now  
Old
11-14-2012, 12:17 AM
  #573
SunshineRays
Registered User
 
SunshineRays's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2012
Posts: 864
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Scurr View Post
IMO that is something he can iron out. A lot of people don't appreciate how difficult it is to switch sides but it's not impossible. I just hope they gave him a heads up so he could work on it this offseason and that they commit to it.
Ya, I was hoping the same thing. Both him and Garrison are injured and working out together. Hopefully he's been practicing on his offside.

On a side, Frankie Corrado played last night vs. Russia on his offside (left) and looked stellar. Normally plays on his right side, you couldn't even tell - he went seamlessly to the left side and was possibly the best dman that night. Be great if Edler could too.

SunshineRays is offline  
Old
11-14-2012, 12:20 AM
  #574
PG Canuck
Moderator
 
PG Canuck's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: Prince George, BC
Country: Canada
Posts: 19,529
vCash: 1512
Quote:
Originally Posted by 14s incisor View Post
No. Subban is a clown, whereas Edler has shown himself to be nothing but a class act. I'll take Edler's skill set over Subban's, as well.
Why is Subban a clown?

PG Canuck is offline  
Old
11-14-2012, 01:12 AM
  #575
Barney Gumble
Registered User
 
Barney Gumble's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Posts: 19,888
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by PG Canuck View Post
Why is Subban a clown?
Tough to dislike a guy that clocked that puke Marchand really good....


Barney Gumble is offline  
Closed Thread

Forum Jump


Bookmarks

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 11:27 PM.

monitoring_string = "e4251c93e2ba248d29da988d93bf5144"
Contact Us - HFBoards - Archive - Privacy Statement - Terms of Use - Advertise - Top - AdChoices

vBulletin Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
HFBoards.com is a property of CraveOnline Media, LLC, an Evolve Media, LLC company. 2014 All Rights Reserved.