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I've heard a couple mentions of Jays adding cash. How much money was apart of the trade to Miami?
We get about $4m on top of everything else. Yep, Miami is paying the Jays for the right to give Toronto their best players in exchange for Escobar and Jeff Mathis

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Also this turf/grass thing always pops up. Are there plans to have grass in the Rogers Center for the start of the 2013 season?
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Tigers agree to sign Torii Hunter to a 2 year deal.

The deal is reportedly worth 26m, pending physical.
Just saw that - Hunter is a great fit for them, but man, $13m per is high. Makes me wonder what Bourn, Victorino and Pagan will get, or what Choo can expect next season. Yikes.

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Johnson agent told Jeff Blair this morning on Sportsnet Fan590, they'll likely get somehting done early in the season once they see what they've go
Thats Great news right there.
So basically if he likes the city and the feel of the team he'll stick around. That's exactly what you want to see. Hopefully, AA can lay the groundwork for a contract that they can agree upon once JJ decides wether or not he likes the city.

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that and the CN tower, there's got to be something that can be done to make concrete look better...right? Some sort of coating? Or are we destined to look like some crumbling Soviet city
CN tower is fine. The light show it does at night is a great look. It simply isn't feasible to paint one of the world's tallest structures entirely, so I don't think there's much you can do as far as coating.

But something can definitely be done to revitalize the Rogers Centre. I personally hate the name too, it'll always be the Skydome to me. At the very least, Rogers should have just added their name to Skydome, sort of how the Calgary Saddle dome is the "Scotiabank Saddledome."

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Just saw that - Hunter is a great fit for them, but man, $13m per is high. Makes me wonder what Bourn, Victorino and Pagan will get, or what Choo can expect next season. Yikes.
I think it was Pagan I read was looking for 100 million deal. Market is getting crazier every year.

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meaning we expect Johnson to have his contract extended by AA at that time ?
His agent said that the Yankees and Red Sox would pay a ransom for his client, and that A.A. would have to listen. Or you can have him for a year or get what you can get now because he's walking after this year. Let the dealings continue.

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Johnson agent told Jeff Blair this morning on Sportsnet Fan590, they'll likely get somehting done early in the season once they see what they've go
Thats Great news right there.
Quoting this because that's terrific to hear and it might get lost in this exploding thread. (Of course, one must always be cautious of putting too much stock into what an agent says, but still, it's a good start to the tone of the relationship.)

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We get about $4m on top of everything else. Yep, Miami is paying the Jays for the right to give Toronto their best players in exchange for Escobar and Jeff Mathis



doubtful.



as do we all
I read on mlbtr yesterday. At least I believe it was there that I think it's Buehrle has a 4 million signing bonus that is interest free which I guess means he gets it at the end of his deal? Which seems odd but anyway when I saw that 4 million figure that's what I figured it was for. Unless that's a buyout option on the last year of his deal.

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We get about $4m on top of everything else. Yep, Miami is paying the Jays for the right to give Toronto their best players in exchange for Escobar and Jeff Mathis



doubtful.



as do we all






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Yeah. Either we roll with:

Santos
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Santos
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Rogers
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Also consider this: If we get into the playoffs and can go with a 3-man rotation, we can ride Johnson-Morrow-Buehrle.

awesome.
I think Jeffress will be given every chance to take a spot in ST. He would have to walk a ton of guys to not make it I think. Unless another move comes.

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Since Jeffrey Loria is clearly high, clinically insane, or some kind of disturbed masochist in order for this deal to happen, maybe Anthopoulos should pick the phone up again and put an offer of Buck and JP on the table for Gio Stanton. I mean, it doesn't seem any less outlandish than what just happened, does it?

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so johnson will want out? based on the chat

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Johnson's agent, a more complete synopsis from DJF:

http://blogs.thescore.com/djf/2012/1...ld-be-flipped/

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This is the quote from the agent

“I feel like there has to be another piece to this trade. I’ve got to imagine that the players that Alex acquired have to be in play– it’s a lot of money he took on in salary in one shot. And there are so many teams that are interested in Josh Johnson that if the Yankees or Texas or some of these teams looking for a frontline starter wanted to give up a tonne, it would seem like it would be against the way that Alex normally does business to not listen and make a trade if he could acquire a bunch of top prospects for one of the players in this deal.”

http://blogs.thescore.com/djf/2012/1...ed/#more-10690

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Is there no such a thing as a NTC in Baseball?

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CN tower is fine. The light show it does at night is a great look. It simply isn't feasible to paint one of the world's tallest structures entirely, so I don't think there's much you can do as far as coating.

But something can definitely be done to revitalize the Rogers Centre. I personally hate the name too, it'll always be the Skydome to me. At the very least, Rogers should have just added their name to Skydome, sort of how the Calgary Saddle dome is the "Scotiabank Saddledome."
don't see why it's not feasible.

yeah, it looks great at night but during the day it's an eyesore.


(and yeah, Rogers Skydome should have been the name, can't believe a petition didn't happen, "centre" is the worst word in the world IMO)

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This is the quote from the agent

“I feel like there has to be another piece to this trade. I’ve got to imagine that the players that Alex acquired have to be in play– it’s a lot of money he took on in salary in one shot. And there are so many teams that are interested in Josh Johnson that if the Yankees or Texas or some of these teams looking for a frontline starter wanted to give up a tonne, it would seem like it would be against the way that Alex normally does business to not listen and make a trade if he could acquire a bunch of top prospects for one of the players in this deal.”

http://blogs.thescore.com/djf/2012/1...ed/#more-10690
If that were the case wouldn't it have made more sense for the Marlins to move him themselves?

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How I would proceed.
Trade for Justin Upton (Arencibia + prospects).
Swap Buehrle with the Cubs for Garza.
Sign Raul Ibanez for DH.
Sign Jeremy Guthrie as 5th starter.
Hire Sandy Alomar Jr.

Reyes SS
Upton LF
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Buck/D'Arnaud C
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Guthrie

Arizona wants a shortstop, so barring a three-way the Jays are now out of any Upton talks.

Buehrle is great as a #3 starter, no need to swap him for Garza (unless he really is going to be upset over the Pit Bull ban...).

Bonifacio is a much better hitter than you'd expect to see batting ninth - it's his defensive limitations (especially in the infield) that keep him from being a lock for a starting role. Even so, I can see him as the starting LF. I think people will be pleasantly surprised when they see what we got in him.

Ibanez... he certainly came up big in a couple of games this post-season, but the Jays already acquired a platoon mate for Lind at the DH spot by picking up Buck. The numbers between them should be pretty respectable for the position, and won't cost any more assets or cash.

I admit I do still very much want a big LH bat, but with a payroll hovering just under $120 million, I don't know how much more room Anthopolous can possibly have to add.

Guthrie... again, it depends how much money Anthopolous has to work with. I'm perfectly content with Happ as the fifth starter, but I'd like them to have a swingman under contract that they can look to for long relief/spot starts (basically what Villanueva provided last year). Unless a controllable guy like Ogando comes back in an Arencibia trade, I can see waiting until Februrary to see what arms are still available on the FA market (like a Scott Feldman?), as asking prices typically go down after New Year's and we'd want to get somebody on the cheap if at all possible.

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Johnson's agent, a more complete synopsis from DJF:

http://blogs.thescore.com/djf/2012/1...ld-be-flipped/
Sounds like the Jays are far from done. Whether it be dealing Johnson to another team for King's Ransom or one of the catcher's, something has to give. All I can say is I am PUMPED for this off season, and upcoming season (& playoffs )

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Is there no such a thing as a NTC in Baseball?
there are, and they are very prevalent

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This is the quote from the agent

“I feel like there has to be another piece to this trade. I’ve got to imagine that the players that Alex acquired have to be in play– it’s a lot of money he took on in salary in one shot. And there are so many teams that are interested in Josh Johnson that if the Yankees or Texas or some of these teams looking for a frontline starter wanted to give up a tonne, it would seem like it would be against the way that Alex normally does business to not listen and make a trade if he could acquire a bunch of top prospects for one of the players in this deal.”

http://blogs.thescore.com/djf/2012/1...ed/#more-10690
i really doubt that restocking the farm is a priority at this point, nor would trading with the yankees be even a thought

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Fun fact I just heard on the radio:

The Vegas odds for the Jays to win the 2013 World Series were 100-1 yesterday before the trade. After the trade: 15-1.
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I thought it was a joke, I mean I can't even begin to find the odds.
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How I would proceed.
Trade for Justin Upton (Arencibia + prospects).
Swap Buehrle with the Cubs for Garza.
Sign Raul Ibanez for DH.
Sign Jeremy Guthrie as 5th starter.
Hire Sandy Alomar Jr.
I don't see the DBacks asking for another catcher, considering they already re-upped Montero to a big contract. They're biggest needs I believe are shortstop and 3rd base, while we don't really have the assets to strike a deal for him. Plus LF can be patched up internally.

The Buehrle for Garza swap I wouldn't do, mostly because Garza suffered an injury at the end of the season, and doesn't come with much control like Buehrle does. Why trade away consistency for a question mark?

Raul could work, although I think his only suitor is the Yankees, but of course I could be wrong.

Guthrie has had success in the AL, but I'm not sure what this means for Happ. If you remember last year upon acquiring Happ, he was pretty brutal as that swingman in the pen, but when he started he showed he can be more than suitable in the #5 spot.

I have to think Sandy likes the thought of managing the Jays now, but I believe Francona has his eyes set on him returning as his assistant. I have absolutely no idea who'll be the manager now, but I'm still hoping for Tim Wallach.
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I've heard a couple mentions of Jays adding cash. How much money was apart of the trade to Miami?

Also this turf/grass thing always pops up. Are there plans to have grass in the Rogers Center for the start of the 2013 season?

Lastly, I like that news of Johnson considering re-inking
What's the timeline of putting grass in? I'm not sure if they need to have a long preparation before inserting the field or if they can just do it like that. But I really hope the Jays take that ****** turf out soon. May also prove to be an asset for the Argos too.

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don't see why it's not feasible.

yeah, it looks great at night but during the day it's an eyesore.


(and yeah, Rogers Skydome should have been the name, can't believe a petition didn't happen, "centre" is the worst word in the world IMO)
the CN tower is FAR from an eyesore, I have no idea what you're talking about

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I've heard a couple mentions of Jays adding cash. How much money was apart of the trade to Miami?

Also this turf/grass thing always pops up. Are there plans to have grass in the Rogers Center for the start of the 2013 season?

Lastly, I like that news of Johnson considering re-inking
Those references were to the Jays adding so much payroll; Florida actually sends $4 million in cash to Toronto in the deal.

Regarding turf/grass, we'll see what Beeston has to say about it in the season ticket holders' meeting in January - this past winter he said it was something they'd been exploring but that they weren't expecting to be moving forward with anything in the forseeable future. IIRC, the Argo's lease is up this spring, but that still leaves a couple of years of useless Bills exhibition games to have to put up with. It's galling to think that because of Rogers' ridiculous play for NFL relevence that we might be stuck with turf during the Jays' best competitive seasons in 20 years.

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the CN tower is FAR from an eyesore, I have no idea what you're talking about
it looks like the corner of a parking garage that someone peed on

edit: scratch that, it looks like it has an STD


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it looks like the corner of a parking garage that someone peed on
What in the world are you talking about?

Although the skydome by itself is a little outdated. The addition of the scenic CN tower hovering above you while sitting in the stands in pretty amazing. I think some people are forgetting what we have.


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