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11-14-2012, 11:59 AM
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Israel-Gaza conflict huge escalation

Israel has been retaliating this week for rockets fired into Israel by 'Gaza Terrorists.' Looks like this has really escalated, just a few hours ago an Israel airstrike took out the Hamas militant chief. Hamas has responded by saying Israel "Has opened up the gates of hell."

There is now noise that Israel may perform a full ground operation in Gaza.

You can look on Twitter real time updates and many people are reporting huge explosions in Gaza.

Things could be getting very bad very soon.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...ir-strike.html

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11-14-2012, 12:03 PM
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Israeli Foreign Ministry announced it has moved into emergency mode.

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I heard about this last night while skimming through Wikipedia. Apparently, Egypt offered mediation for peace talks for the two in response to these events. Leaders of both sides publicly stated support and thanks for Egypt's offer, but that might all be a PR show.

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11-14-2012, 12:09 PM
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Or maybe they're just saying that.


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The Israel "IronDome" just intercepted 4 long ranged rockets fired from Gaza.

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11-14-2012, 12:12 PM
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It has been bad and "escalating" for a year, with rockets being fired daily at civilian targets in Israel and millions constantly forced to run into bomb shelters. 800 since January 2012 causing Israeli casualties. This is a long running war being waged by Hamas.

How long would you tolerate this being an aspect of your life before demanding your military do something about it?

Hamas about to get another lesson from the school of outkast. Don't pull that thing out unless you plan to bang.

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11-14-2012, 12:14 PM
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The Israel "IronDome" just intercepted 4 long ranged rockets fired from Gaza.
What happened to ronski?

Agenda much?

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I thought there was a truce agreed to last night between both sides? Guess that didn't last long

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It has been bad and "escalating" for a year, with rockets being fired daily at civilian targets in Israel and millions constantly forced to run into bomb shelters. 800 since January 2012 causing Israeli casualties. This is a long running war being waged by Hamas.

How long would you tolerate this being an aspect of your life before demanding your military do something about it?

Hamas about to get another lesson from the school of outkast. Don't pull that thing out unless you plan to bang.
On the flip side how long will a people live life under occupation and grueling conditions with every aspect of life dictated by there enemy before they start taking the fight to the enemy

Israel about to get another lesson in futlity of military action over Peace. Tanks/Missiles wont change the situation

Its a 2 way street with blame for both sides

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Is it me, or does Israel always rattle its Sabre a little louder following each and every US election? As if to say "hey, look at us over here, don't forget us!"

Probably just me.


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And killing the operational commander of Hamas's armed wing, the Ezzedine al-Qassam Brigades is a terrible move

He has in past shown to be one of the few leaders with the sway to force Hamas to do what it opposes

He was the major force behind Hamas agreeing to prisoner swap with Israel via talks with Egypt

He also had influence in Egypt so his death will further strain relations with Egypt

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Israel again shaking their weight where it's not wanted yet they play victim.

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On the flip side how long will a people live life under occupation and grueling conditions with every aspect of life dictated by there enemy before they start taking the fight to the enemy

Israel about to get another lesson in futlity of military action over Peace. Tanks/Missiles wont change the situation

Its a 2 way street with blame for both sides
They could always just give up and move to one of the dozens arab countries around there that are 100 times bigger than israel, instead of keeping up the fight to conquer a country that they have already failed to conquer in a half dozen wars starting in 1948.

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And killing the operational commander of Hamas's armed wing, the Ezzedine al-Qassam Brigades is a terrible move

He has in past shown to be one of the few leaders with the sway to force Hamas to do what it opposes

He was the major force behind Hamas agreeing to prisoner swap with Israel via talks with Egypt

He also had influence in Egypt so his death will further strain relations with Egypt
Oh yeah one of those "moderate terrorists" we keep hearing about LOL

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Oh yeah one of those "moderate terrorists" we keep hearing about LOL
Not moderate

But someone who has control and influence and history of using it to prevent full scale escalation of conflict

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They could always just give up and move to one of the dozens arab countries around there that are 100 times bigger than israel, instead of keeping up the fight to conquer a country that they have already failed to conquer in a half dozen wars starting in 1948.
Why would they leave to go to another country ,, They are not Jordanian/Egyptian/Saudi/etc

Guess we can make same argument for Israel.. Why dont they just leave and go to US or Europe ,, right?

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Oh yeah one of those "moderate terrorists" we keep hearing about LOL
Do you really think the concept of "terrorist" is used objectively in this day and age? Or as Chuck D once asked in a parallel way, who a criminal?



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Why would they leave to go to another country ,, They are not Jordanian/Egyptian/Saudi/etc

Guess we can make same argument for Israel.. Why dont they just leave and go to US or Europe ,, right?
Well, I guess they can keep fighting and losing if they want, just like they have been since the 1948 war. Until somebody who can actually beat Israel in a fight shows up, Israel isn't going away.

Seems like a lot easier for an Arab "Palestinian" to just go move his family to a country populated by other muslim arabs and build a new prosperous and peaceful life instead of dedicating his life to Jihad against Israel. millions of displaced people had to do this post-WW2 all over the world (Germans, Finns, Romanians, Ukrainians, Japanese, Chinese, Brits, etc.), including a million Jews who were kicked out of africa and mid-east, the only ones still fighting to reclaim what they lost (after the failures of their own aggressions) are these Arab Palestinians.

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Well, I guess they can keep fighting and losing if they want, just like they have been since the 1948 war. Until somebody who can actually beat Israel in a fight shows up, Israel isn't going away.

Seems like a lot easier for an Arab "Palestinian" to just go move his family to a country populated by other muslim arabs and build a new prosperous and peaceful life instead of dedicating his life to Jihad against Israel. millions of displaced people had to do this post-WW2 all over the world (Germans, Finns, Romanians, Ukrainians, Japanese, Chinese, Brits, etc.), including a million Jews who were kicked out of africa and mid-east, the only ones still fighting to reclaim what they lost (after the failures of their own aggressions) are these Arab Palestinians.
The forces of ethnic cleansing and genocide salute you, good sir.

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Well, I guess they can keep fighting and losing if they want, just like they have been since the 1948 war. Until somebody who can actually beat Israel in a fight shows up, Israel isn't going away.

Seems like a lot easier for an Arab "Palestinian" to just go move his family to a country populated by other muslim arabs and build a new prosperous and peaceful life instead of dedicating his life to Jihad against Israel. millions of displaced people had to do this post-WW2 all over the world (Germans, Finns, Romanians, Ukrainians, Japanese, Chinese, Brits, etc.), including a million Jews who were kicked out of africa and mid-east, the only ones still fighting to reclaim what they lost (after the failures of their own aggressions) are these Arab Palestinians.
Those same Palestinians who allowed Jews to live in their country before their buddies the colonialists stepped in?

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Do you really think the concept of "terrorist" is used objectively in this day and age? Or as Chuck D once asked in a parallel way, who a criminal?
It's true that terrorism is misused, but "terrorist" has a pretty objective dictionary definition:

The Intelligence Community is guided by the definition of terrorism contained in Title 22 of the US Code, Section 2656f(d):

•The term "terrorism" means premeditated, politically motivated violence perpetrated against noncombatant targets by subnational groups or clandestine agents.


I'd say Hamas' & friends' rocket campaign fits that. Although you could actually argue that Hamas is a sovereign entity in which case it gets upgraded from "terrorism" to outright acts of war so a hard Israeli military response is even more justifief.

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Those same Palestinians who allowed Jews to live in their country before their buddies the colonialists stepped in?
1) Palestinians never had a country. The area was sovereign territory of the Ottomon Empire than a British territory after, then split between Israel, Egypt and Jordan.

2) Many arabs are themselves descended from "colonists" who have only beeen there for 100-150 years.

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The forces of ethnic cleansing and genocide salute you, good sir.
You can get wishy washy about it if you want, but the fact is the Israelis would not have this problem now if they actually did engage in outright expulsions of people like many other nations have in the past 100 years (Hindus out of Pakistan, Greece-Turkey, Germans out of Eastern Europe, Jews out of Mid-East, etc.).

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It's true that terrorism is misused, but "terrorist" has a pretty objective dictionary definition:

The Intelligence Community is guided by the definition of terrorism contained in Title 22 of the US Code, Section 2656f(d):

•The term "terrorism" means premeditated, politically motivated violence perpetrated against noncombatant targets by subnational groups or clandestine agents.


I'd say Hamas' & friends' rocket campaign fits that. Although you could actually argue that Hamas is a sovereign entity in which case it gets upgraded from "terrorism" to outright acts of war so a hard Israeli military response is even more justifief.
That's one of the things Zionists groups did to get the current state of Israel.

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And killing the operational commander of Hamas's armed wing, the Ezzedine al-Qassam Brigades is a terrible move

He has in past shown to be one of the few leaders with the sway to force Hamas to do what it opposes

He was the major force behind Hamas agreeing to prisoner swap with Israel via talks with Egypt

He also had influence in Egypt so his death will further strain relations with Egypt
[Conspiracy theory] Perhaps someone likes escalation? [/Conspiracy theory]

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It's true that terrorism is misused, but "terrorist" has a pretty objective dictionary definition:

The Intelligence Community is guided by the definition of terrorism contained in Title 22 of the US Code, Section 2656f(d):

•The term "terrorism" means premeditated, politically motivated violence perpetrated against noncombatant targets by subnational groups or clandestine agents.


I'd say Hamas' & friends' rocket campaign fits that. Although you could actually argue that Hamas is a sovereign entity in which case it gets upgraded from "terrorism" to outright acts of war so a hard Israeli military response is even more justifief.
For one side a terrorist, for the other a freedom fighter.

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Actually, now he is a corpse. Soon to be joined by 100s of his other Hamas buddies who thought firing thousands of rockets a year at Isralie towns was a great idea.

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