I voted before I read the OP. Also, to be honest, 90% of the people that voted Dougie I doubt have seen more than 3-5 games from him. Seeing these "wouldn't trade him for any NHL prospect" or those Chara comparisons, it's all just brutal. Not to mention people are saying they are equal in terms of offense... It's like... Do they even watch the games?
I thought someone else in this thread described it perfectly. When watching Dougie in a game you often think "Wow, he got an assist on that?" And when watching Rielly it is more "Wow, how did he not get an assist on that?" because Rielly is usually creating all these opportunities. Rielly is everything for Moose Jaw. He created most of their scoring opportunities and controls the game. He has no one good on his team either, while Dougie (I've said this months and months back) is more of a complimentary guy. He doesn't control the game and create the pure offensive chances that Morgan Rielly does. That's not a ba thing at all. It's just an observation.
I break it down like this:
Reilly's advantages:
Speed
Agility
Passing
Vision
Hockey IQ
Puck Skills
Then we have Dougie's advantages:
Size
Strength
Physicality
Shot
So it comes down to what you prefer. I happen to love smart and dynamic players. So I'll always lean towards the smarter guy with a terrific skillset.
I agree with everything you've said but would only probably add that Hamilton has some pretty good puck skills too. He has some pretty good offensive instincts too. I just wish I could see Rielly on the Niagara Ice dogs cuz something tells me he would have a lot more points than he does right now. Rielly has the ability to adapt and be successful in any situation despite the team he's on or the game he's in. I'm not sure about Hamilton, but I know that with him, he can be the best player on an elite team. So it is really hard to make an accurate judgement on both
I like Rielly's hockey IQ but not sure if that is enough for me to pick him over Hamilton.
Voted too close, probably leaning towards Dougie though.
Think this sums it up well for me.
I also think Dougie will take longer to develop because hes kinda lanky at this point. I see Rielly making a big splash early on in his career whereas with Hamilton there will be a learning curve.
I voted before I read the OP. Also, to be honest, 90% of the people that voted Dougie I doubt have seen more than 3-5 games from him. Seeing these "wouldn't trade him for any NHL prospect" or those Chara comparisons, it's all just brutal. Not to mention people are saying they are equal in terms of offense... It's like... Do they even watch the games?
I thought someone else in this thread described it perfectly. When watching Dougie in a game you often think "Wow, he got an assist on that?" And when watching Rielly it is more "Wow, how did he not get an assist on that?" because Rielly is usually creating all these opportunities. Rielly is everything for Moose Jaw. He created most of their scoring opportunities and controls the game. He has no one good on his team either, while Dougie (I've said this months and months back) is more of a complimentary guy. He doesn't control the game and create the pure offensive chances that Morgan Rielly does. That's not a ba thing at all. It's just an observation.
I break it down like this:
Reilly's advantages:
Speed
Agility
Passing
Vision
Hockey IQ
Puck Skills
Then we have Dougie's advantages:
Size
Strength
Physicality
Shot
So it comes down to what you prefer. I happen to love smart and dynamic players. So I'll always lean towards the smarter guy with a terrific skillset.
So it comes down to what you prefer. I happen to love smart and dynamic players. So I'll always lean towards the smarter guy with a terrific skillset.
I know you probably mean hockey IQ, but Dougie Hamilton did have a 94% average in Grade 12; so I wouldn't necessarily equate him to a beast without a brain.
Oh, and winning Scholastic Player of the Year in the O is a good call:
I also think Dougie will take longer to develop because hes kinda lanky at this point. I see Rielly making a big splash early on in his career whereas with Hamilton there will be a learning curve.
This makes sense for me. Also depends on team success. I'd say Hamilton might be a little better off in Boston than Rielly in Toronto. It could be a similar situation to Hall and Seguin. Let's just hope Toronto gets back on track
Not to de-rail the thread, but where would you guys rank Murray along with these two? I think it's safe to say they will all have similar amounts of impact on their respective clubs, just in different ways. IMO they're probably the three most comparable defensive prospects in terms of value.
I agree with everything you've said but would only probably add that Hamilton has some pretty good puck skills too. He has some pretty good offensive instincts too. I just wish I could see Rielly on the Niagara Ice dogs cuz something tells me he would have a lot more points than he does right now. Rielly has the ability to adapt and be successful in any situation despite the team he's on or the game he's in. I'm not sure about Hamilton, but I know that with him, he can be the best player on an elite team. So it is really hard to make an accurate judgement on both
Oh he definitely has some puck skills. I was just listing the advantages.
I know you probably mean hockey IQ, but Dougie Hamilton did have a 94% average in Grade 12; so I wouldn't necessarily equate him to a beast without a brain.
Oh, and winning Scholastic Player of the Year in the O is a good call:
Not to de-rail the thread, but where would you guys rank Murray along with these two? I think it's safe to say they will all have similar amounts of impact on their respective clubs, just in different ways. IMO they're probably the three most comparable defensive prospects in terms of value.
I agree with everything you've said but would only probably add that Hamilton has some pretty good puck skills too. He has some pretty good offensive instincts too. I just wish I could see Rielly on the Niagara Ice dogs cuz something tells me he would have a lot more points than he does right now. Rielly has the ability to adapt and be successful in any situation despite the team he's on or the game he's in. I'm not sure about Hamilton, but I know that with him, he can be the best player on an elite team. So it is really hard to make an accurate judgement on both
Niagara is awful if it were not for Strome, Hamilton, and Ritchie. Hamilton is still the best player on the team.
If you think Hamilton and Rielly is a toss up offensively.... You're doing it wrong. Maybe in stats but if you watch them play its really a no brainer.
Hamilton's hockey IQ has always been very questionable for me. It's really noticeable in the defensive zone. I voted Rielly (although I read the OP first so I probably shouldn't have voted) because of his offensive ability, skating, vision, talent, and hockey IQ.
I voted before I read the OP. Also, to be honest, 90% of the people that voted Dougie I doubt have seen more than 3-5 games from him. Seeing these "wouldn't trade him for any NHL prospect" or those Chara comparisons, it's all just brutal. Not to mention people are saying they are equal in terms of offense... It's like... Do they even watch the games?
I thought someone else in this thread described it perfectly. When watching Dougie in a game you often think "Wow, he got an assist on that?" And when watching Rielly it is more "Wow, how did he not get an assist on that?" because Rielly is usually creating all these opportunities. Rielly is everything for Moose Jaw. He created most of their scoring opportunities and controls the game. He has no one good on his team either, while Dougie (I've said this months and months back) is more of a complimentary guy. He doesn't control the game and create the pure offensive chances that Morgan Rielly does. That's not a ba thing at all. It's just an observation.
I break it down like this:
Reilly's advantages:
Speed
Agility
Passing
Vision
Hockey IQ
Puck Skills
Then we have Dougie's advantages:
Size
Strength
Physicality
Shot
So it comes down to what you prefer. I happen to love smart and dynamic players. So I'll always lean towards the smarter guy with a terrific skillset.
Sounds like Reilly would be a better forward. Hamilton has better defensive zone play, which is important because thats were they spent more of the game and they are defenseman
Niagara is awful if it were not for Strome, Hamilton, and Ritchie. Hamilton is still the best player on the team.
I can do you one better. Moosejaw is awful if it were not for Rielly. Ritchie and Strome are both elite offensive forces who can create their own chances out of nothing. Obviously Hamilton is the best on the team, but Strome definitely makes it easier for Hamilton to produce points. Ritchie does as well.
How can you say I'm a homer? I'm present my argument in detail and supporting it with what I have observed from the two players so far. I've also seen a lot more of Dougie than Rielly. All I'm saying is that I prefer a smart player that is dynamic. It's my favourite type of player and those players usually have success. I'm not denying that Dougie is talented or capable of playing good defense. Just saying that I find his hockey sense questionable at times.
Age, Experience and the fact that Hamilton was CHL defenceman of the year has a lot to do with it. Plus Hamilton was on the world jr team, which is an added benefit. He's more accomplished. I've seen Hamilton play many teams and tbh they are both effective in what they do, so the poll is closer than what some think. Rielly is also fairly new to the star attention scene so lack of knowledge about him probably has something to do with it too.
