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11-14-2012, 08:07 AM
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Lol, I keep strange hours because I'm a bit of an insomniac. Happens from time to time. Work suffers (Comp. Systems Analyst - though switching fields soon). Yourself?


Yeah, tough to say what the value will be without knowing where the pick ends up. I'm guessing with Lu that TO has a very good shot at the playoffs, so that should tell you something.
Yeah I left school at 14 for my online job, once i started, i was staying up all night, now i rarely sleep and when i do, its while people are at work. 9-5 sort of deal. I run "adult" sites.

Actually thats where I know the creator of hockeysfuture from. i think he created hockeysfuture and ended up leaving that side of things behind and then ended up selling hfboards eventually.

Anyway so are you still high on it being the pick even if you believe it might not be that high ? :/


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11-14-2012, 08:18 AM
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The pick is just currency at the deadline...so much so that if a condition makes it untradeable than its a non conditional pick or no trade.

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11-14-2012, 08:35 AM
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Yeah I left school at 14 for my online job, once i started, i was staying up all night, now i rarely sleep and when i do, its while people are at work. 9-5 sort of deal. I run "adult" sites.


Woah very interesting! I will be PMing you today.


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Actually thats where I know the creator of hockeysfuture from. i think he created hockeysfuture and ended up leaving that side of things behind and then ended up selling hfboards eventually.

Anyway so are you still high on it being the pick even if you believe it might not be that high ? :/

Interesting history there.


Yes, I am high on the pick because it is a universal trade chip. Kadri's value waivers depending on who you ask. It would be the same for any GM. While a 1st usually carries weight, even if late.


The 1st will be the "safest" tradeable asset TO could possibly give up besides Gardiner IMO.


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11-14-2012, 10:24 AM
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how bout this blockbuster idea ..

Luongo, Edler, Raymond, 3rd
Kessel, Gardiner, 1st

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how bout this blockbuster idea ..

Luongo, Edler, Raymond, 3rd
Kessel, Gardiner, 1st
Edler >> Gardiner + 1st

Luongo, Raymond, 3rd for Kessel is likely fair value, but a trade Toronto will deny.

No thanks.

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11-14-2012, 10:38 AM
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how bout this blockbuster idea ..

Luongo, Edler, Raymond, 3rd
Kessel, Gardiner, 1st
No. 100% no.

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11-14-2012, 11:55 AM
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No. 100% no.
Gotta love the 3rd, seems to be on autofill for most Canucks offers.

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Most people agree that Lu will make TO a playoff team. This would make that pick a 16th to 20th or even higher. It sounds like 2013 will be a loaded draft, so this could return a decent prospect. I agree that this should be packaged as a trade, due to Vans poor scouting staff. I can't really comment on the TO prospects being offered, as I don't know much about them.

I think most fans would like to see that a return for Luongo will end up leading to the much needed 2nd line winger. It's too bad if JVR is not available as he would be ideal.

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Most people agree that Lu will make TO a playoff team.
Not so sure about that.

Lupul - Bozak - Kessel < Lupul is injury prone, Bozak isn't good enough
MacArthur - Grabo - JVR < Good 2nd line
Kulemin - McClement - Connolly(?) < 2/3rds of an excellent 3rd line
Lombardi - Steckel - Brown < Meh

Gunnar - Phaneuf < Decent 1st pairing
Liles - Franson < Weak, very weak
Gardiner - Komisarek < Great if sheltered

Luongo < If he plays 70/82 they make it, don't think his groin can handle 70 in a shortened season

*IF* the pick isn't protected Burke might finally improve the team in a meaningful way. Acquire a 2nd pairing RD and upgrade Bozak. Otherwise I'm sensing a 8th-10th in the East. They definitely have potential with Luongo and a Carlyle system.

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11-14-2012, 12:20 PM
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#Leafs gm Brian Burke on Fan radio in T-O saying that that he emphatically denies a deal for #Canucks goalie Roberto Loungo is in place.
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11-14-2012, 12:37 PM
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Whether or not you believe or don't believe those Burke quotes, a) Player trades cannot be "negotiated" during the lock out b) Burke has nothing to gain from saying anything but what he said.

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Whether or not you believe or don't believe those Burke quotes, a) Player trades cannot be "negotiated" during the lock out b) Burke has nothing to gain from saying anything but what he said.
I am not sure what people would expect other than this.

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11-14-2012, 12:46 PM
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I am not sure what people would expect other than this.
True, makes me think it's a sure thing that a deal is done when Burke denies it.

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I would be shocked if there was a deal in place for Luongo with any team at present moment.

Dunno why people would think that there was a chance that there was.

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11-14-2012, 01:36 PM
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Why can't they spell his name? Seriously.

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11-14-2012, 01:47 PM
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I would be shocked if there was a deal in place for Luongo with any team at present moment.

Dunno why people would think that there was a chance that there was.
Not sure why you'd be shocked....i don't believe the "GM's don't talk during the lockout" speel, and it would be beneficial to WHICHEVER team (and Van) to have it ready to go in case there is a shortened season.

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Why can't they spell his name? Seriously.
Oh...it isn't a typo...Burke denies having a deal in place for Loungo.....just not Luongo.

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11-14-2012, 02:12 PM
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Not sure why you'd be shocked....i don't believe the "GM's don't talk during the lockout" speel, and it would be beneficial to WHICHEVER team (and Van) to have it ready to go in case there is a shortened season.
I'm sure teams have kicked the tires about the possibility of trades throughout the lockout.

I keep saying it though in this thread and others and it doesn't seem like some people want to believe it or something. Luongo has to agree to waive his NTC for a trade to work. Who knows where he will agree to go? One thing is for sure, Vancouver will not be asking a locked out employee if he will waive his NTC to a given team.

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11-14-2012, 04:16 PM
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Oh...it isn't a typo...Burke denies having a deal in place for Loungo.....just not Luongo.
******* lawyers.

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Gotta love the 3rd, seems to be on autofill for most Canucks offers.
Seem to be deal breakers in most hf trades.

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11-14-2012, 05:36 PM
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Honest question, as a Canucks fan, how has the package you would want from Luongo evolved since it was first stated that we might trade him?

For me -
Originally wanted: Kadri/Colborne + Ashton + Lombardi/Connolly + 1st + 2nd for Luongo + Maholtra/Raymond

Now want: JVR/Gardiner + Kadri/Colborne/Ashton + 1st (top 5 protected, becomes 2014 1st + 2013 2nd) for Luongo + Maholtra/Raymond

I honestly don't care if either is realistic, as previously stated, I think Luongo should be held onto unless we get an offer that really improves our team (as in either of the above) until Schneider proves he is what we think he is (a 0.925 or better save% starter).

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11-14-2012, 05:40 PM
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the package i want hasn't changed since the start:

young contributing NHLer (top 9 forward/top 6 defensman) + top prospect (legit blue chipper - not Kadri) + 1st round pick

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Mine went from 5th overall straight up to Luke Schenn/Kadri + 1st to Lupul/JVR + 1st.

So a bit of a roller coaster. Fillers like Connolly/Lombardi could be inserted as needed.

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11-14-2012, 06:19 PM
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Mine went from 5th overall straight up to Luke Schenn/Kadri + 1st to Lupul/JVR + 1st.

So a bit of a roller coaster. Fillers like Connolly/Lombardi could be inserted as needed.
Admitedly, i originally was offering trash and was stating the old 10 year deal gibberish. Then 2 things happened, i studied and now understand his contract....and i remembered that if your team actually wins enough in the 1st 82 games you get to play for that big shiny cup thingy!! (in all fairness...8 years of no playoffs makes the memory fuzzy) I would now do most of Vankillers deals.

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