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11-14-2012, 06:41 PM
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So are you saying the NFL did not have those rosters pre-Bettman? Since Bettman was hired NHL salaries have increased a little over a factor of 6 while the NFL player salaries have tripled. Your response doesn't come even close to explaining this.
NFL salaries are tied to revenue, just as the NHL. Do you really think that having 30 extra roster players, all making well below avg, isn't going to skewer these numbers in the NHL's favor? There is no way the high end NFL cap allocations (which eat up the biggest portion of the cap) could ever make up the difference.

You are comparing apples to oranges.

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Can someone explain Eklund's optimism?
He makes money either way? Hell, the last lockout was the best thing ever to happen to Dwayne. He consolidated his little internet empire during it.

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Can someone explain Eklund's optimism?
Optimism attracts more readers because it stands out in a crowd of pessimism?

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Indeed.
I can't fathom this league losing an entire season again. But one thing i will not do is blame one side more than the other.
I don't even blame anyone for wanting the best deal possible for his side. But i will blame both sides heavily for their style (and tone) of negotations, espcially if the season will be lost. Because there's no real reason to lose it.

But IF there's a solution soon, and i still think we will have deal in the near future, than Fehr did a pretty good job for the PA, regardless what all the haters on the HF Boards tell.

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11-14-2012, 06:48 PM
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The PA is playing their cards well. Obviously we have the next wave of players heading to Europa right now, after two weeks which have been relatively slow on that front.
Actually that plays right into NHL hands

Shows the split in union as the have nots wont have jobs waiting for them in Europe

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11-14-2012, 06:51 PM
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Actually that plays right into NHL hands

Shows the split in union as the have nots wont have jobs waiting for them in Europe
I think that shows their dedication to stay together more than anything. 'We know that we will not cave and look for other options, instead of pressing for a deal to be signed.' That's what it says to the owners.

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11-14-2012, 06:53 PM
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From the sounds of it there's stalemate and we're not going to get any meetings soon.

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11-14-2012, 06:56 PM
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Right now, I'm not taking either side.

The owners need to get together, figure out what their best offer can be so no teams are losing money, and submit that to the NHLPA and give them a deadline to accept or reject the offer. They accept, then let the puck drop. They decline, make it clear that the season will be cancelled.

I don't think they have made the best offer they can. They need to do it and make it clear of what will happen if it is rejected.
Oh...but they have.

It was a 82 game season with making them whole. No matter what happens from here out the players are losing more and more money they'll never get back.

The owners deals after were not making up the lost wages.

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Actually that plays right into NHL hands

Shows the split in union as the have nots wont have jobs waiting for them in Europe
I disagree completely. The NHL is the best league in the World. 95% of the players can get a spot on any team in Europe.

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11-14-2012, 07:03 PM
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I disagree completely. The NHL is the best league in the World. 95% of the players can get a spot on any team in Europe.
I don't know about 95%. And while they are paid quite well over there it is pennies compared to what they're giving up with this lockout, makes absolutely no sense.

The players will absolutely lose money in this deal and for what?

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11-14-2012, 07:09 PM
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I disagree completely. The NHL is the best league in the World. 95% of the players can get a spot on any team in Europe.
Highly doubt it, no team/league is going to pay for the insurance to cover all of the players contracts that would be going over. And that doesnt even account for the salaries they then would have to pay the players.

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11-14-2012, 07:10 PM
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Something I haven't even really considered, but

Where is it written, what makes the players believe they DESERVE "something" out of his lockout? I don't understand.

Why are they entitled to getting something more?

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This is going to end just like the last lockout:

The Union will miss an entire season of pay, crack and give in to the linked 50/50 split. The owners wont have to make whole any pay for this season since it wasn't played. There will be a 5-10% variance on all contracts.

The Union will once again waste a year off their contracts and earning potential for no reason.
I think you're right

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11-14-2012, 07:11 PM
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Something I haven't even really considered, but

Where is it written, what makes the players believe they DESERVE "something" out of his lockout? I don't understand.

Why are they entitled to getting something more?
They don't.

But Fehr's convinced that they do and they need to get "pay-back" for 2005.

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11-14-2012, 07:13 PM
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Why are they entitled to getting something more?
They deserve whatever they can get from the NHL, however long they bargain.

Both side are smart, seems to be a matter of principle (at least the PA) and not wholly money -_-, what a waste.

Just delink everything, and give the players the average of revenue that went to them since the lockout. The cap would be like 53m or something.


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11-14-2012, 07:24 PM
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Something I haven't even really considered, but

Where is it written, what makes the players believe they DESERVE "something" out of his lockout? I don't understand.

Why are they entitled to getting something more?
It's the guaranteed contracts, IMO. Players are so out of touch with reality because they know they can't be fired.

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11-14-2012, 07:24 PM
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I'm pretty sure they aren't going to meet until after Thanksgiving.

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11-14-2012, 07:25 PM
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They don't.

But Fehr's convinced that they do and they need to get "pay-back" for 2005.
half of the current players weren't even in the NHL in 2005.

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I'm pretty sure they aren't going to meet until after Thanksgiving.
It's very quiet, very...even the media has gone super quiet, Bobby Mac, Lebrun, Dreger etc I would imagine about 400 guys in the PA are really upset right now...it's way too quiet...

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half of the current players weren't even in the NHL in 2005.
And the players that were either think it wasn't worth it or are telling the current players to take the deal. Weird right?

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It would be really funny if they were having secret meetings that were actually secret for a change.

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half of the current players weren't even in the NHL in 2005.
But fehr was in a sense, he was an advisor/friend with goodnow.

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It's the guaranteed contracts, IMO. Players are so out of touch with reality because they know they can't be fired.
NHL should pull guaranteed contracts off the board too

NFL is the most successful league IN THE WORLD and the players arent guaranteed a damn thing outside of their signing bonuses

Half the players end up bankrup after a couple years after their career

Yet I don't see them locking out all season

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NFL salaries are tied to revenue, just as the NHL. Do you really think that having 30 extra roster players, all making well below avg, isn't going to skewer these numbers in the NHL's favor? There is no way the high end NFL cap allocations (which eat up the biggest portion of the cap) could ever make up the difference.

You are comparing apples to oranges.
Yes

Especially considering the roles of those players

11 starting offense players
11 starting d players
These are the guys who make all the money

The offense then has about 14 more players who are second and third string and special teams players. Same with the D

Then there is a punter and kicker and a backup kicker/punter.

Apples and oranges from the NHL

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NFL salaries are tied to revenue, just as the NHL. Do you really think that having 30 extra roster players, all making well below avg, isn't going to skewer these numbers in the NHL's favor? There is no way the high end NFL cap allocations (which eat up the biggest portion of the cap) could ever make up the difference.

You are comparing apples to oranges.

I try to make it easy for you if Sally has $10 and Peter has $20. Sally buys a gidget which she sells for $60. Peter buys a gadget and sells it at $60. Which one did better?

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