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Dougie Hamilton vs Morgan Rielly

View Poll Results: Who would you take?
Dougie Hamilton 316 64.23%
Morgan Rielly 138 28.05%
too close to call 38 7.72%
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11-14-2012, 07:05 PM
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I meant I wasn't comparing Rielly with Crosby skill wise. Only by sample size and how it doesn't effect the player they are. Durability is definitely something to consider but I don't think you can accurately compare durability between them especially since I doubt Rielly's injury last year automatically makes him injury proned.
It's still not an apt comparison. Crosby has a number of years of excellent play at the NHL level to fall back on. I doubt you're looking at Rielly's only full season in the WHL as an indicator of his future.

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11-14-2012, 07:14 PM
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Reilly is going to be a very good player but going against Hamilton Reilly shouldn't even have one vote except for maybe the vote from the Leaf nation.

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11-14-2012, 07:16 PM
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Stupid poll. Hamilton without a doubt.

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11-14-2012, 07:33 PM
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It's still not an apt comparison. Crosby has a number of years of excellent play at the NHL level to fall back on. I doubt you're looking at Rielly's only full season in the WHL as an indicator of his future.
I am looking at Rielly's dynamic skill set (skating, vision, etc) and saying that those tools were not hindered by injury in the same way Crosby's skill set was not hindered by hisinjury. I am not saying their skill sets are the same. I am saying that both skill sets were not hindered by injury and thus cannot be used as a means to take away from the player that they are.

This is the full explanation of what I meant.

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I am looking at Rielly's dynamic skill set (skating, vision, etc) and saying that those tools were not hindered by injury in the same way Crosby's skill set was not hindered by hisinjury. I am not saying their skill sets are the same. I am saying that both skill sets were not hindered by injury and thus cannot be used as a means to take away from the player that they are.

This is the full explanation of what I meant.
Crosby was further along in his development at the time though, Atomos. I'm not saying his injuries will hold Rielly back. Not in the least. Just that a player in his 20's is at a different stage in his development than an 18 year old. It also doesn't hurt that Crosby was already the best player in the league when he was injured.

I agree that the missed time probably isn't a particularly big deal. Rielly is playing great hockey, and he's living up to his draft position. I imagine that if Toronto had any doubts about his injury and the time missed, that they would have passed on him. They didn't.

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I am looking at Rielly's dynamic skill set (skating, vision, etc) and saying that those tools were not hindered by injury in the same way Crosby's skill set was not hindered by hisinjury. I am not saying their skill sets are the same. I am saying that both skill sets were not hindered by injury and thus cannot be used as a means to take away from the player that they are.

This is the full explanation of what I meant.
How can you say it wasn't hindered? Missing 70% of a season is going to stunt your development, especially when you are 17-18. Might not affect you in the long run, but it does affect the immediate future.

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How can you say it wasn't hindered? Missing 70% of a season is going to stunt your development, especially when you are 17-18. Might not affect you in the long run, but it does affect the immediate future.
I think that remains to be seen. There are always exceptions. Rielly doesn't look like he has missed a beat.

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Just that a player in his 20's is at a different stage in his development than an 18 year old.
And usually on this board, the younger player already on the same level as the older player is more valuable.

Funny how that changes when it's a Leaf.

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And usually on this board, the younger player already on the same level as the older player is more valuable.

Funny how that changes when it's a Leaf.
So you are saying Reilly is already on Crosby's level?

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And usually on this board, the younger player already on the same level as the older player is more valuable.

Funny how that changes when it's a Leaf.
...I certainly hope you're not talking about Crosby.

What makes you think Rielly is already on the same level as Hamilton?

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Rielly is amazing.. But Hamilton is something special. Too bad we could have had both..... and Seguin. sorry wrong thread

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So you are saying Reilly is already on Crosby's level?
What? I'm not even sure how Crosby came into this discussion.

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What makes you think Rielly is already on the same level as Hamilton?
This little thing called watching both play and reality. My analysis of both is on page 2 I believe.

What makes you think he is not?

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I'll take Doug because no one really knows if Rielly will ever be a big-time player in the NHL. It's very rare that type of player amounts to being a star defenseman.

I'm pretty confident Doug will be a top pairing defenseman from what I've seen.


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What? I'm not even sure how Crosby came into this discussion.


This little thing called watching both play and reality. My analysis of both is on page 2 I believe.

What makes you think he is not?
Try reading the past 10 or so posts before you barge in with your "Leafs persecution complex". Also the fact that Sojourn said: A player in his 20s, should have been a dead giveaway that he wasn't talking about Hamilton since Hamilton is 19. I shouldn't need to point that out, seeing as how you are an expert and everything.

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Try reading the past 10 or so posts before you barge in with your "Leafs persecution complex". Also the fact that Sojourn said: A player in his 20s, should have been a dead giveaway that he wasn't talking about Hamilton since Hamilton is 19. I shouldn't need to point that out, seeing as how you are an expert and everything.
I was addressing a single general point from within that paragraph, before you barged in with your off-topic rant.

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I'll take Doug because no one really knows if Rielly will ever be a big-time player in the NHL. It's very rare that type of player amounts to being a star defenseman.

I'm pretty confident Doug will be a top pairing defenseman from what I've seen.
Could say the same about Dougie.

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And usually on this board, the younger player already on the same level as the older player is more valuable.

Funny how that changes when it's a Leaf.
All this Leaf insecurity is really getting old.

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Could say the same about Dougie.
You could, but he's certainly a safer bet to reach the "1st pairing defenseman" skill level than Rielly in my opinion.

Just the nature of that type of defenseman - as I said it's incredibly difficult to cut it as an undersized offensive defenseman in the NHL.

He certainly could make it though, no question about it. Just not as likely.

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And usually on this board, the younger player already on the same level as the older player is more valuable.

Funny how that changes when it's a Leaf.
Leaf fans wouldn't feel so persecuted if they didn't always have such delusions of grandeur interposed with a massive victim complex.

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Leaf fans wouldn't feel so persecuted if they didn't always have such delusions of grandeur interposed with a massive victim complex.
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All this Leaf insecurity is really getting old.
Beating on the guy who dares speak the truth.

By the guys who make sure to be anti-Leaf everywhere.

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I'm watchin Rielly right now and he's definitely fun to watch.

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This little thing called watching both play and reality. My analysis of both is on page 2 I believe.

What makes you think he is not?
Reality? Nice try passing off your opinion as reality.

I've seen them both. I'd take Hamilton. I think his game will transition better to the NHL too. Just because Rielly can make fancier plays doesn't make him the better player.

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You could, but he's certainly a safer bet to reach the "1st pairing defenseman" skill level than Rielly in my opinion.

Just the nature of that type of defenseman - as I said it's incredibly difficult to cut it as an undersized offensive defenseman in the NHL.

He certainly could make it though, no question about it. Just not as likely.
Is PK Subban an undersized defensemen?

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Reality? Nice try passing off your opinion as reality.

I've seen them both. I'd take Hamilton. I think his game will transition better to the NHL too. Just because Rielly can make fancier plays doesn't make him the better player.
Depends on whether those fancy plays are plays that few else in the game are making. Players that play the way Rielly does change the way your team plays, the puck is pushed out of the zone quickly, the puck is pushed into the offensive zone more often. Everyone gets more opportunities to produce.

Rielly had an "it" factor as soon as I saw him play as an underager at the U18 a couple years ago. He's got the upside to be the better of these two but I think your safe bet may be Hamilton. Wouldn't be of any surprise if it's Rielly though.

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I've seen them both. I'd take Hamilton. I think his game will transition better to the NHL too. Just because Rielly can make fancier plays doesn't make him the better player.
Is that these International junior games or WHL ones? Just wondering, for a guy who complained about the PBP commentator gushing over Rielly all game today, you would probably lose your mind with the WHL PBPs.

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