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11-14-2012, 06:46 PM
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The NJ Devils trading for pending UFA Kovalchuk. They seem to have won that trade (Gave up Bergfors, Oduya, Cormier & a 1st) And re-signed him at a reasonable $6.66m cap-hit.
really?

my contribution, umm how about going with Richter over the Beezer

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11-14-2012, 06:52 PM
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A gamble is only a gamble when there's risk. If it was taking a flyer on a rebounding for 1 year at dirt cheap that's not really a gamble.

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11-14-2012, 06:56 PM
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Penguins trade Bobby Dollas for Johan Hedberg. Hedberg was stuck in the AHL thanks to the Sharks depth in goal. At the time, San Jose had Nabokov and Shields along with Kiprusoff picking up a handful of games. Manitoba also had veteran Ken Wregget taking a large share of the starts. The Penguins ended up riding Hedberg to the conference finals, eventually losing to the Devils in 5 games.

Hedberg remained as a starter until 2003, when the Penguins traded him to the Canucks for a 2nd rounder in 2004. The player drafted with that pick?



Goligoski was traded to the Stars in early 2011 for James Neal and Matt Niskanen. So in an indirect, Six Degrees Of Bacon kind of way, Johan Hedberg helped the Penguins land James Neal and Matt Niskanen. Not bad for a goalie who was buried in the minors and didn't see his first NHL start until he was almost 28.

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11-14-2012, 07:19 PM
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Dallas gambled trading away a young Iginla for Nieuwendyk. Gamble paid off big time, not only did they win a cup with Nieuwendyk but he's currently their GM.
Hhhhmmm this one's hard to say though because who knows how Dallas would have been with a prime and developed Iginla...maybe they win 2 cups?

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Hhhhmmm this one's hard to say though because who knows how Dallas would have been with a prime and developed Iginla...maybe they win 2 cups?
Well.. would anyone in hindsight actually trade one cup for a chance to win 2?

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11-14-2012, 07:47 PM
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Yup. That's why when people said it was a no brainer for Burke to sign him they were wrong.


You either meant

"no brainer" and "right"

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"idiotic" and "wrong".

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11-14-2012, 08:02 PM
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Brian Burke wheeling and dealing to land both Sedins. Dealt Mccabe and a 1st, made some more transactions. Not 100% sure if Atlanta HAD to pick stefan or not, but if they didn't all these trades could have been for nothing. Both Sedins panned out better than expected

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11-14-2012, 08:08 PM
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11-14-2012, 08:21 PM
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I remember a lot of Bruins fans being mad with Claude Julien when he was signed and even well after. At first it was all he got fired late in the season by Montreal and again New Jersey, what's wrong with this guy? Bad playoff record, this guy can't adjust to the scenario and make changes on the fly. Heard a lot about him, several fire Julien campaigns over the few years he's been in Boston. Well he won us a Cup, hard to argue against him now!

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11-14-2012, 08:25 PM
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Flyers signing 39-year-old Jaromir Jagr last year, after he'd been out of the league for four years. Not only did he have a strong season, but he was a mentor to the team's many young players.
I do not see how this was a gamble, they knew they what they were getting, it would have payed off well for the other teams vying for him as well (Pittsburgh, Detroit and whoever else

A gamble is trading Richards and Carter right in the middle of there prime. A gamble is Columbus actually trading for Carter.

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11-14-2012, 09:26 PM
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Hhhhmmm this one's hard to say though because who knows how Dallas would have been with a prime and developed Iginla...maybe they win 2 cups?
Nah. That Dallas team was very old that won it's first cup. When Iginla hit his prime the other pieces were gone/washed-up.

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11-14-2012, 09:30 PM
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Basically, name some trades, signings or general team moves (management, roster, etc.) that were deemed very risky at the time, but paid off.

In recent memory, the Habs handling of Price/Halak comes to mind. Price had a great rookie year, took a big step down in his sophomore year, and was outplayed by Halak in his third year. Halak came off a spectacular post-season and looked to be a real keeper, then he was traded away for Lars Eller and Ian Schultz. Since then Price has been great, putting up a Vezina-calibre season in 2011 and having a good season behind a pretty bad team this past year.

It still remains to be seen who ends up having the better career, but I would bet on Price at this point. Halak has played well but I don't know if he can handle full starting duties, he seems best when playing in a tandem. Also, despite being 2 years older Price has played 71 more games than him in their careers. Of course, some of that is due to injury, but still.
Richards and Carter going to LA was the first to pop up in my mind.

Mark Recchi to Boston turned out pretty good too

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Gamble paid off big time, not only did they win a cup with Nieuwendyk but he's currently their GM.
What do Stars fans think of him as a GM? From my perspective he's done two things that stick out:

-Fired Dave Tippett for Marc Crawford
-Signed Adam Pardy for 4 million per.

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11-15-2012, 01:31 AM
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Gainey trading Rivet to SJ for Josh Gorges and 1st round pick in 07 (Pacioretty).

Pacioretty is now on our 1st line and was our leading scorer last year and Gorges is our future captain and a solid shot-blocking defenseman.

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11-15-2012, 01:37 AM
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Gainey trading Rivet to SJ for Josh Gorges and 1st round pick in 07 (Pacioretty).

Pacioretty is now on our 1st line and was our leading scorer last year and Gorges is our future captain and a solid shot-blocking defenseman.
Man that was a great trade. I remember going "we traded rivet for who?" Id never heard of gorges...

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Jacque Demeres illegal stick call against Mcsorly and the Kings. Kings were up 2-1 in late third, had the call gone the other way, the Habs would have lost the game for sure. It didn't, Fraser calls the penalty on Mcsorly for illegel curve.

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Kings signing Willie Mitchell to a multi-year contract after dealing with concussion problems.

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-Signed Adam Pardy for 4 million per.
By 4 million you mean 2 million, right?

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Bertuzzi in Detroit. Bit of a gamble in my opinion. Has worked well.

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Canes prettymuch have made a history of deals like this.

Bringing in Arturs Irbe, who had just washed out of Dallas in spectacular fashion and had been rather meh in Vancouver, to compete for the starting spot with Trevor Kidd.

Trading an All Star Sandis Ozolinsh to the Panthers for Bret Hedican, Kevyn Adams, and Tomas Malec. Only part of that deal that didn't pan out better then expected for the Canes was Malec.

Instead of making a big splash in free agency (rumors were abound that Jason Allison and Adrian Aucoin were going to sign with the Canes in the 05-06 offseason) they make one mid level play with Oleg Tverdovsky, brought in some lower level guys (Mike Commodore, Frank Kaberle) and went after Cory Stillman and Ray Whitney when they were cap casualties after missing out on Paul Kariya.

Traded for Sergei Samsonov after he bombed in spectacular fashion in Montreal and Chicago. However the 3 year extension they gave him after that is another matter entirely.

Traded for Jussi Jokinen when he was struggling in Tampa post-Melrose.

Every single one of those moves aside from the Irbe pickup (and he was the starter here for 4 years including the 02 Cup Finals) played a big part in the Canes making at least the Conference Finals within 1 season, and in the case of the 05 offseason and the Ozolinsh trade helped in large part to lead to a Cup.


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Hhhhmmm this one's hard to say though because who knows how Dallas would have been with a prime and developed Iginla...maybe they win 2 cups?
People just have a hard time with a gamble that worked out for both sides. Everyone must declare one or the other a winner.

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Canes prettymuch have made a history of deals like this.

Bringing in Arturs Irbe, who had just washed out of Dallas in spectacular fashion and had been rather meh in Vancouver, to compete for the starting spot with Trevor Kidd.

Trading an All Star Sandis Ozolinsh to the Panthers for Bret Hedican, Kevyn Adams, and Tomas Malec. Only part of that deal that didn't pan out better then expected for the Canes was Malec.

Instead of making a big splash in free agency (rumors were abound that Jason Allison and Adrian Aucoin were going to sign with the Canes in the 05-06 offseason) they make one small level play with Oleg Tverdovsky, brought in some lower level guys (Mike Commodore, Frank Kaberle) and went after Cory Stillman and Ray Whitney when they were cap casualties after missing out on Paul Kariya.

Traded for Sergei Samsonov after he bombed in spectacular fashion in Montreal and Chicago. However the 3 year extension they gave him after that is another matter entirely.

Traded for Jussi Jokinen when he was struggling in Tampa post-Melrose.

Every single one of those moves aside from the Irbe pickup (and he was the starter here for 4 years including the 02 Cup Finals) played a big part in the Canes making at least the Conference Finals within 1 season, and in the case of the 05 offseason and the Ozolinsh trade helped in large part to lead to a Cup.
Rutherford really is the king when it comes to under-the-radar pick-ups.

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What do Stars fans think of him as a GM? From my perspective he's done two things that stick out:

-Fired Dave Tippett for Marc Crawford
-Signed Adam Pardy for 4 million per.
He did all he could to keep the teem afloat while the Hicks Sports empire imploded and went into bankruptcy. From this summer forward is where we can truly start to judge.

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