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11-14-2012, 08:43 PM
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Love all the kings fans being all defensive.
Lets be honest guys, 95% of you didn't know what a kopitar was before April 2012.

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I think it's laughable too. The 2011 Bruins would have beaten the 2012 Kings handily. 2012 Kings were the weakest cup winning squad since the 2006 Hurricanes.

Don't forget that Kesler was playing with one arm too (torn labrum, still on IR after surgery), it wasn't just Daniel that was out for most of that first round. Those are two key forwards that were nowhere near 100% The Kings didn't play the same Canucks team that took the Bruins to 7. Take two top forwards out of the Kings line-up (say Kopitar and Brown), and they are out early. (No, Gagne isn't a top forward anymore, hasn't been for a couple of years) For those who cry 'lack of depth!', hypothetically which depth players would have replaced Kopitar and Brown?

For the Blues, a young team that over-achieved greatly during the regular season, losing your #1 Halak and #1 D-man for any stretch is devastating. Elliot had great stats in a sheltered starts behing a stingy Blues system that year, but was mediocre for the Sens. This was a much bigger loss for the Blues than Kings fans would like to admit. The Blues play a low scoring system and depend on goaltending to keep them in games, they weren't built to turn the offense on like that. What luck for Kings fans, although they are loathe to admit it.

Phoenix, really? The Coyotes in the conference final? They were only a couple points up on the 8th place Kings team. Hardly an upset there for the Kings. No wonder most posters were referring to a dull playoffs. That was the weakest WCF since Anaheim vs Minnesota in 2003.

New Jersey, the 6th place team that got taken to game 7 by a Florida franchise with goaltending problems and was just happy to be there. NJ had their own luck, drawing a Philly team that forgot how to play D after the Penguins series in the 2nd round, and got by an exhausted Rangers squad in the ECF. This was hardly a big upset either for the Kings.

First two rounds, Kings draw top seed teams, but with key injuries to their top performers. Deserves an *Asterisk. The last two, they played teams that were much weaker draws than they could have been. What if Nashville had gotten over their chemistry problems? What if NY Rangers had won the ECF? What if the Penguins hadn't imploded defensively in an emotional series against their rivals? What if Tea Party Timmy hadn't become a headcase on the Bruins? All the top offensive-minded teams were out by round 2. That's quite a bit of luck to have along the way.

A cup win is a cup win, but I'm hardly convinced that they are the favorites to repeat going into next season, whenever that ends up being.
Yup 16-4 in the playoffs is the weakest cup winning team since the Canes. If Phoenix and St. Louis weren't that great, how come they got past the 1st rounds? If Chicago was so good this year how could they not stop the juggernaut that was Antoine Vermette? The Sharks lost 4-1 to a team that lost their #1 goalie, but yet beating St. Louis 4-0 is somehow a negative.

Phoenix also went on to beat the mighty Predators 4-1 after the Preds beat the Red Wings 4-1. So I fail to see the logic that Phoenix wasn't a tough team.

People need to get over the fact that the "traditional" hockey teams stunk this year and lost to 2 lowly teams from the South West.

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11-14-2012, 09:00 PM
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Love all the kings fans being all defensive.
Lets be honest guys, 95% of you didn't know what a kopitar was before April 2012.
You got us, bunch of bandwagoners since '67. Love all the other fans jumping on our team that went 16-4 like it was a bad thing.

If this was Pittsburgh, Detroit, Philadelphia, or Vancouver it'd be one of the greatest postseason runs ever, but since it was LA it was a fluke.


And I doubt they'll repeat, but this time off could help them more than any other defending champ.

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Yup 16-4 in the playoffs is the weakest cup winning team since the Canes. If Phoenix and St. Louis weren't that great, how come they got past the 1st rounds? If Chicago was so good this year how could they not stop the juggernaut that was Antoine Vermette? The Sharks lost 4-1 to a team that lost their #1 goalie, but yet beating St. Louis 4-0 is somehow a negative.

Phoenix also went on to beat the mighty Predators 4-1 after the Preds beat the Red Wings 4-1. So I fail to see the logic that Phoenix wasn't a tough team.

People need to get over the fact that the "traditional" hockey teams stunk this year and lost to 2 lowly teams from the South West.
Yeah, none of that counts. The Kings would have lost to all those other teams for sure, because, you know...mumble mumble...

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11-14-2012, 09:21 PM
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Love all the kings fans being all defensive.
Lets be honest guys, 95% of you didn't know what a kopitar was before April 2012.
Ha! - you don't even know his name is actually Kopidor!

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11-14-2012, 09:26 PM
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I think it's laughable too. The 2011 Bruins would have beaten the 2012 Kings handily. 2012 Kings were the weakest cup winning squad since the 2006 Hurricanes.

Don't forget that Kesler was playing with one arm too (torn labrum, still on IR after surgery), it wasn't just Daniel that was out for most of that first round. Those are two key forwards that were nowhere near 100% The Kings didn't play the same Canucks team that took the Bruins to 7. Take two top forwards out of the Kings line-up (say Kopitar and Brown), and they are out early. (No, Gagne isn't a top forward anymore, hasn't been for a couple of years) For those who cry 'lack of depth!', hypothetically which depth players would have replaced Kopitar and Brown?

For the Blues, a young team that over-achieved greatly during the regular season, losing your #1 Halak and #1 D-man for any stretch is devastating. Elliot had great stats in a sheltered starts behing a stingy Blues system that year, but was mediocre for the Sens. This was a much bigger loss for the Blues than Kings fans would like to admit. The Blues play a low scoring system and depend on goaltending to keep them in games, they weren't built to turn the offense on like that. What luck for Kings fans, although they are loathe to admit it.

Phoenix, really? The Coyotes in the conference final? They were only a couple points up on the 8th place Kings team. Hardly an upset there for the Kings. No wonder most posters were referring to a dull playoffs. That was the weakest WCF since Anaheim vs Minnesota in 2003.

New Jersey, the 6th place team that got taken to game 7 by a Florida franchise with goaltending problems and was just happy to be there. NJ had their own luck, drawing a Philly team that forgot how to play D after the Penguins series in the 2nd round, and got by an exhausted Rangers squad in the ECF. This was hardly a big upset either for the Kings.

First two rounds, Kings draw top seed teams, but with key injuries to their top performers. Deserves an *Asterisk. The last two, they played teams that were much weaker draws than they could have been. What if Nashville had gotten over their chemistry problems? What if NY Rangers had won the ECF? What if the Penguins hadn't imploded defensively in an emotional series against their rivals? What if Tea Party Timmy hadn't become a headcase on the Bruins? All the top offensive-minded teams were out by round 2. That's quite a bit of luck to have along the way.

A cup win is a cup win, but I'm hardly convinced that they are the favorites to repeat going into next season, whenever that ends up being.
Bruins Run:

Round 1: Face decimated 6th placed Habs team without Markov, Gorges, Pacioretty. Goes to game 7 OT.

Round 2: Face injured Flyers team without Pronger and Carter for half the series. Also, they get to face the TERRIBLE duo of an old Boucher and rookie backup Bobrovsky. This is a flyers team that lost 16 of their last 25 reg season games and went 7 games with a mediocre sabres team in the first round.

Round 3: Face the Bolts without Kubina. Bergenheim also missed games 6 & 7. Once again they face an old goalie in Roloson who stopped being on fire from the middle of round 2 vs the caps.
Goes to game 7 with a late 1-0 goal to win game

Round 4: Face DECIMATED Canucks team without Samuelsson and Hamhuis since half way of game 1. Kesler is playing on one hip, Malholtra is playing with one eye, Henrik playing on one wrist, Edler playing with broken fingers, Raymond gets injured in beginning of game 6 and misses game 7. Rome suspended for playoffs for concussing Horton for series. Luongo is a headcase.

This is by far one of the luckiest cup run in history with all the injuries of their opponents. And STILL the Bruins have 3 game 7's and have the worst cup winning record (16-9) in the HISTORY of the NHL

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Love all the kings fans being all defensive.
Lets be honest guys, 95% of you didn't know what a kopitar was before April 2012.
That is an incredibly pretentious statement that speaks more to your own beliefs than that of others.

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11-14-2012, 10:43 PM
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That is an incredibly pretentious statement that speaks more to your own beliefs than that of others.
Agreed. The Kings have a very passionate fanbase, and many of them have stuck it out through thick and thin with that team. They've waited a long time for that Cup.

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If montreal was an 8 seed and went on a run to win the stanley cup like the kings did, it would be historic. But the kings do get overlooked because they are a non traditional hockey market per se.


But that was last year, , if its a shorten season I think they can win it all. I think that they are the team to beneift the most from a long offseason.

A full season of a second line of gagne richards and carter that are healthy could potentially be there number 1 line. Great defensive depth and a goalie that can take over in the playoffs and dominate...that is a recipe for repeating if you ask me.

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Can they? I guess. Will they? I'd bet money that they don't.

On your last question of are they better suited to repeat than recent winners; I say no. Boston was/is a better team than LA. The Kings' run was a pretty much a miracle.
A miracle? It was a great run. A miracle would require them to not be talented enough to win but win.

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A miracle? It was a great run. A miracle would require them to not be talented enough to win but win.
They are much less talented than Vancouver, the President's Trophy winner, and knocked them out in the first round.

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It's also possible that the players on SC winning teams are willing to play through injuries. Quick had some pretty serious back surgery at the end of the playoffs. And you could tell that Brown was injured after St Louis. I dont know about the Bruins that year but the same is true for them, and you know that any Red Wing would play through that especially in 2008.

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They are much less talented than Vancouver, the President's Trophy winner, and knocked them out in the first round.
At this point, this statement is pretty debatable.

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They are much less talented than Vancouver, the President's Trophy winner, and knocked them out in the first round.
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At this point, this statement is pretty debatable.
Why, because they won the Cup in the process?

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I doubt we'll be seeing a repeat anytime soon.. The parity in this league is too great

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To the Canucks fans who have been discrediting the Kings' win for 5 months now because they were missing Daniel and Kesler was hurt. You do realize the Kings were missing Kopitar and Williams was playing with his arm in a sling in the 2011 playoffs and still managed to go six games against the Sharks with 3 games being lost in OT, right? This was even before they had Richards and Carter. Stop making excuses. Your team got owned. Own it.

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I think they can.

They have excellent depth in offense, defense and are extremely solid in the net. Plus they kept all the players that helped them get there, so if there is any Cup champion that has a good chance of repeating, it's them.
This is literally the same thing every Cup winner says about their team every single year.
How many Cup winners bring back their entire team? Wouldn't that be the main criteria to allow them to make the claim?

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I think it's laughable too. The 2011 Bruins would have beaten the 2012 Kings handily. 2012 Kings were the weakest cup winning squad since the 2006 Hurricanes.

Don't forget that Kesler was playing with one arm too (torn labrum, still on IR after surgery), it wasn't just Daniel that was out for most of that first round. Those are two key forwards that were nowhere near 100% The Kings didn't play the same Canucks team that took the Bruins to 7. Take two top forwards out of the Kings line-up (say Kopitar and Brown), and they are out early. (No, Gagne isn't a top forward anymore, hasn't been for a couple of years) For those who cry 'lack of depth!', hypothetically which depth players would have replaced Kopitar and Brown?

For the Blues, a young team that over-achieved greatly during the regular season, losing your #1 Halak and #1 D-man for any stretch is devastating. Elliot had great stats in a sheltered starts behing a stingy Blues system that year, but was mediocre for the Sens. This was a much bigger loss for the Blues than Kings fans would like to admit. The Blues play a low scoring system and depend on goaltending to keep them in games, they weren't built to turn the offense on like that. What luck for Kings fans, although they are loathe to admit it.

Phoenix, really? The Coyotes in the conference final? They were only a couple points up on the 8th place Kings team. Hardly an upset there for the Kings. No wonder most posters were referring to a dull playoffs. That was the weakest WCF since Anaheim vs Minnesota in 2003.

New Jersey, the 6th place team that got taken to game 7 by a Florida franchise with goaltending problems and was just happy to be there. NJ had their own luck, drawing a Philly team that forgot how to play D after the Penguins series in the 2nd round, and got by an exhausted Rangers squad in the ECF. This was hardly a big upset either for the Kings.

First two rounds, Kings draw top seed teams, but with key injuries to their top performers. Deserves an *Asterisk. The last two, they played teams that were much weaker draws than they could have been. What if Nashville had gotten over their chemistry problems? What if NY Rangers had won the ECF? What if the Penguins hadn't imploded defensively in an emotional series against their rivals? What if Tea Party Timmy hadn't become a headcase on the Bruins? All the top offensive-minded teams were out by round 2. That's quite a bit of luck to have along the way.

A cup win is a cup win, but I'm hardly convinced that they are the favorites to repeat going into next season, whenever that ends up being.
I might buy your excuses if LA struggled against any of those teams. But they completely dominated throughout the playoffs.

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Love all the kings fans being all defensive.
Lets be honest guys, 95% of you didn't know what a kopitar was before April 2012.
Right, even when the Kings were averaging about 90% capacity crowds even when they were a non-playoff team. So many uneducated fans. Then we have this troll with 50 something posts making another ignorant statement.

I love how most of it is coming from Canucks fans as well. These guys act like they've won a Championship before and the Kings still don't stack up against them.

I don't think the Kings will repeat, but they have just as good of a chance as anyone in an abbreviated season (especially if they remain healthy).

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Why, because they won the Cup in the process?
Yes that's why its debatable

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and 5 points from 9th. Dynasty in the making folks.
You're a "glass is half-empty" kind of guy, aren't you?

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To the Canucks fans who have been discrediting the Kings' win for 5 months now because they were missing Daniel and Kesler was hurt. You do realize the Kings were missing Kopitar and Williams was playing with his arm in a sling in the 2011 playoffs and still managed to go six games against the Sharks with 3 games being lost in OT, right? This was even before they had Richards and Carter. Stop making excuses. Your team got owned. Own it.
No one's discrediting the Kings' win. They outplayed every team they faced. The question is will they repeat. Personally I don't think the Kings are the best team in the league right now. Over the offseason several teams made additions to their roster(Rangers got Nash, Canucks got Garrison, etc) while the Kings basically stood pat, and as each team hopes that all their players are reasonably healthy going into the post season, Teams like Vancouver or Pittsburgh might expect to make a bigger splash than they did the year before.

And I'm sure after the 2011 playoffs you felt the same way about the Kings.

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Why, because they won the Cup in the process?
Uhh, isn't that what it's all about?

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