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11-14-2012, 10:52 AM
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Hawk's Prospects + 2013 1st

Not sure how wise of a move this would be, and i'm sure its overzealous since its being suggested almost immediately after Beach started playing well but nonetheless...

What would the value be if the Hawks packaged together 3-4 of these prospects + 2013 1st rounder

Morin
Beach
Jimmy Hayes
and ONE of McNeil/Saad/Tuevo

It seems like the Hawks have almost too many good prospects and not enough roster spots for them. Again, i know this is overzealous but with Toews, Kane, Sharp, Hossa, and Bolland being long term parts of the core, that leaves little room for more than two of these guys to step in. Especially if 2 of 3 of Saad/McNeil/Tuevo become as good as projected, i dont see where the rest will fit.

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11-14-2012, 11:02 AM
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That's the kind of deal that probably get someone like Getzlaf or Perry at the deadline as a rental.

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That's the kind of deal that probably get someone like Getzlaf or Perry at the deadline as a rental.
No it wont. You'd probably need two of the big 3 plus a roster player

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11-14-2012, 11:23 AM
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No it wont. You'd probably need two of the big 3 plus a roster player
Based on what, certainly not past deals with similar players. Well, we could include in Oduya like in the Kovy deal if that is what you mean.

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For Beach, Mcneill + First rounder

Leafs would give up
Nikolai Kulemin, Mikhail Grabovski, and Korbian Holzer?

I don't know

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I really don't understand why anyone would give anything of significant value for that package unless they were about to lose said player or the player needed a change of scenery.

Maybe a decent #2 center in terms of pure value. But we're talking one good prospect, a #20-ish overall pick and a decent prospect that most teams already have prospects that would be ahead of them on the depth charts.

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11-14-2012, 11:59 AM
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The players he mentioned all have different values.

An example of a fair return for Getz or Perry is:

Hayes, Saad, 1st

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11-14-2012, 12:29 PM
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That's the kind of deal that probably get someone like Getzlaf or Perry at the deadline as a rental.
Are you serious??

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Are you serious??
I'm not sure I'd want to offer much more than that for 3 months of Getzlaf. Having the rights to Hayes and Saad for the next 3 years is more practical, considering the Hawks line-up.

That's not a bad return if 1) Anaheim and Getzlaf knew they were parting ways and 2) the Hawks had no interest to re-sign him after this season... which is what I'd assume would realistically need to happen for this trade.

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Are you serious??
Yep, I'm talking about reality, not HF fan boys asking the moon for their players.

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I'm not sure I'd want to offer much more than that for 3 months of Getzlaf. Having the rights to Hayes and Saad for the next 3 years is more practical, considering the Hawks line-up.

That's not a bad return if 1) Anaheim and Getzlaf knew they were parting ways and 2) the Hawks had no interest to re-sign him after this season... which is what I'd assume would realistically need to happen for this trade.
Yeah, but other teams are going to give up more enticing packages even for a couple months of Getzlaf believing they can get him signed. Toronto for example who needs a bonafide #1 center could offer up a package more impressive than a good prospect and a very low first, which I believe Chicago will have if a season is played.

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Yeah, but other teams are going to give up more enticing packages even for a couple months of Getzlaf believing they can get him signed. Toronto for example who needs a bonafide #1 center could offer up a package more impressive than a good prospect and a very low first, which I believe Chicago will have if a season is played.
Since when is around 15th overall a very low first? We see this whenever the Hawks' 1st is discussed and every draft the pick is in the middle of the 1st round.

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Not sure how wise of a move this would be, and i'm sure its overzealous since its being suggested almost immediately after Beach started playing well but nonetheless...

What would the value be if the Hawks packaged together 3-4 of these prospects + 2013 1st rounder

Morin
Beach
Jimmy Hayes
and ONE of McNeil/Saad/Tuevo

It seems like the Hawks have almost too many good prospects and not enough roster spots for them. Again, i know this is overzealous but with Toews, Kane, Sharp, Hossa, and Bolland being long term parts of the core, that leaves little room for more than two of these guys to step in. Especially if 2 of 3 of Saad/McNeil/Tuevo become as good as projected, i dont see where the rest will fit.
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I really don't understand why anyone would give anything of significant value for that package unless they were about to lose said player or the player needed a change of scenery.

Maybe a decent #2 center in terms of pure value. But we're talking one good prospect, a #20-ish overall pick and a decent prospect that most teams already have prospects that would be ahead of them on the depth charts.

Well we have that perfect 2nd line center. A very good one at that.
Pleks for Saad, one of Morin/Beach/Jimmy Hayes and your 2013 1st rd pick.

We decide on which of Morin/Beach/Jimmy Hayes we are going to take.

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Plekanec to Chicago has been discussed ad nauseum on HF Boards. While I, and most other Hawks fans, would love Plekanec (especially for that package) i doubt the Habs would do it.

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As a habs fan id take Teravainen/Saad, Danault/Hayes and a 1rst

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That's the kind of deal that probably get someone like Getzlaf or Perry at the deadline as a rental.
I agree it's the kind of deal we'd see offered, but I doubt it's the one that would actually get you one of them. Anaheim would probably want less overall quantity, and more top end quality.

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Saad, Danault, Hayes/Beach and a 1st for Plekanec and a 2nd?

I would take it from Montreal.

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It was only a matter of time before Pleks got thrown into this. That deal has been talked about once a week. It's Pleks and one of our later 2nds for Saad, TT, and 2013 first (pick would be a 25-30). As a Montreal fan id do it

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Plekanec to Chicago has been discussed ad nauseum on HF Boards. While I, and most other Hawks fans, would love Plekanec (especially for that package) i doubt the Habs would do it.

Ya your probably right.

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It was only a matter of time before Pleks got thrown into this. That deal has been talked about once a week. It's Pleks and one of our later 2nds for Saad, TT, and 2013 first (pick would be a 25-30). As a Montreal fan id do it
I would rather it be Pleks and one of our later 2nds for Saad,McNeil,Hayes and Hawks 2013 1stHabs will throw in Weber.
Hawks can keep TT.

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Wasn't it rumored though that on draft day MB and timmins were high on TT? If they were wouldnt they make sure he was in the deal?

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Stalberg-Toews-Kane
Sharp-Plekanecs-Hossa

That would be an unreal top 6. Two #1 lines

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Stalberg-Toews-Kane
Sharp-Plekanecs-Hossa

That would be an unreal top 6. Two #1 lines
Not quite.

But I'd love it anyway.

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So what is the verdict, what would Hawk fans give up for Plekanec

I think Saad and TT would do it

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Not that the package is bad at all, but no team has a reason to give up a solid player for a bunch of potential.

It would probably be more enticing to other teams to replace one of the prospects or the picks for an established roster player.

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So what is the verdict, what would Hawk fans give up for Plekanec

I think Saad and TT would do it
Again
Saad-6'2,211 lb LW
Hayes-6'5,210 lb RW
McNeil-6'2,210lb C

Hawks can keep TT their 5'11,165lb C .

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