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Sakic/Crosby/Stamkos vs Jagr/Forsberg/OV

View Poll Results: Which Trio
Sakic/Crosby/Stamkos 102 56.35%
Jagr/Forsberg/OV 75 41.44%
Even 4 2.21%
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11-14-2012, 03:02 AM
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Biggest reason I picked Sakic/Crosby/Stamkos is because having a elite 1-2 punch down the middle is better then just one stacked line.

xxx - Sakic - Stamkos
xxx - Crosby - xxx

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Jagr - Forsberg - Ovechkin
I agree that generally it's better to have strength down the middle, but just because the second trio has a C/LW/RW doesn't mean you have to play them as one line. They have all had success carrying lesser players, so one would be put on the second line. Most likely Ovechkin.

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11-14-2012, 03:03 AM
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Over the past few years, Ive constantly read comments on how Forsberg is overrated on this board, when in fact its the other way around. Looking at the complete package, how can you list him last? "He didnt score goals!" - look up his playoff resume.


If I had to choose, why would I choose a one dimensional Stamkos over two of the most dominant players ever (jagr n forsberg)?
Forsberg underrated? Really?

Forsberg is at the least rated accordingly, i think overrated. You have some strong opinions about him. Forsberg being better/equivalent to Jagr? No way. Why is Lindros not as dominant as Forsberg? Could you tell me what traits he lack that Forsberg has?

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11-14-2012, 03:00 PM
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Biggest reason I picked Sakic/Crosby/Stamkos is because having a elite 1-2 punch down the middle is better then just one stacked line.

xxx - Sakic - Stamkos
xxx - Crosby - xxx

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Jagr - Forsberg - Ovechkin
i would not put jagr and forsberg on the same line.


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Forsberg is overrated. like another guy said in another thread, when comparing all-time greats goal scoring should be fair game. best season for Forsberg was 30 G, a guy like Crosby who he is often compared to scored 32 G in half of a season. though, like I said before I'd pick group #2 because of Jagr.
forsberg scored at a 35g pace throughout his playoff career, even though playoff scoring was lower than in regular season, and he played through much more obstruction than today. he easily could have scored 40g in a season, but obviously preferred to pass.

some players just do not shoot enough. getzlaf, for example, has very good shots, but does not shoot much. forsberg was the same.

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11-14-2012, 03:12 PM
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I agree that generally it's better to have strength down the middle, but just because the second trio has a C/LW/RW doesn't mean you have to play them as one line. They have all had success carrying lesser players, so one would be put on the second line. Most likely Ovechkin.
True, however it's proven that center depth wins championships.

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11-14-2012, 05:01 PM
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wow this is a tough one...

going with Jagr/Forsberg/OV

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11-14-2012, 05:14 PM
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True, however it's proven that center depth wins championships.
nvm.

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11-14-2012, 06:51 PM
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Three clutch canadians vs three euro chokers. Hm, tough choice.

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11-14-2012, 07:06 PM
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Three clutch canadians vs three euro chokers. Hm, tough choice.
Ironically, those "Euro chokers" have 4 cups to the "clutch canadians" 3.

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11-14-2012, 07:30 PM
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Three clutch canadians vs three euro chokers. Hm, tough choice.
Yeah, God knows how hated Forsberg and Jagr are around here. No respect at all.

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Ironically, those "Euro chokers" have 4 cups to the "clutch canadians" 3.
Game, match and point!

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11-14-2012, 10:28 PM
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the canadian trio probably wins you more cups

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the canadian trio probably wins you more cups
Is that in a fantasy world? The trio of centers does nothing better than the Euros.

Jagr and Ovechkin are/ were the better goalscorers of the bunch.

Forsberg was the best two-way player of the bunch.

Forsberg and Ovechkin are the most physical of the bunch.

Forsberg and Jagr are the best playmakers of the bunch.

Forsberg and Jagr are the most skilled overall of the bunch.

The Euros are/ were the best skaters of the bunch. Jagr in his true prime (1994-2000) could skate with the best of them and had Bure-like speed.

Forsberg and Jagr are the best puck possession players.


How do the centers win you more Championships? Based on what? Faceoffs?


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11-15-2012, 01:09 AM
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Sakic/Crosby/Stamkos for me. The best player in the league currently and a player that just came off a 60 goal season, and one of my favorite players ever. Yep, sounds and would good on the Habs for sure.

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Is that in a fantasy world? The trio of centers does nothing better than the Euros.

Jagr and Ovechkin are/ were the better goalscorers of the bunch.

Forsberg was the best two-way player of the bunch.

Forsberg and Ovechkin are the most physical of the bunch.

Forsberg and Jagr are the best playmakers of the bunch.

Forsberg and Jagr are the most skilled overall of the bunch.

The Euros are/ were the best skaters of the bunch. Jagr in his true prime (1994-2000) could skate with the best of them and had Bure-like speed.

Forsberg and Jagr are the best puck possession players.


How do the centers win you more Championships? Based on what? Faceoffs?
Faceoffs AND they are good old Canadian boys. I think you could switch Stamkos with Rick Nash and get the same result from many voters.

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11-15-2012, 06:35 AM
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Faceoffs AND they are good old Canadian boys. I think you could switch Stamkos with Rick Nash and get the same result from many voters.
Perhaps many people value centers more than wingers, it's the only valid explanation. Because if you call Sakic/Crosby and Forsberg/OV a wash (if we are talking prime, certainly no group has a big lead over the other), you are left with Stamkos and Jagr. And that is pretty easy.

So just because they are centers they make up the gap between Stamkos and Jagr? That's a bit odd. And like others have stated, you don't need to play the euro trio on one line. Albeit I'd like to see that

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I take the Sakic/Stamkos/Crosby group quite easily.

Crosby is currently the best player in the league
Stamkos is currently the best goal scorer

Comparing the two groups

Jagr is currently better than Sakic
Crosby is easily better than Forsberg since Forsberg has foot issues
Stamkos is currently a better player than Ovechkin

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I take the Sakic/Stamkos/Crosby group quite easily.

Crosby is currently the best player in the league
Stamkos is currently the best goal scorer

Comparing the two groups

Jagr is currently better than Sakic
Crosby is easily better than Forsberg since Forsberg has foot issues
Stamkos is currently a better player than Ovechkin
You have to figure that this means the guys at their best, not now. Otherwise this makes no sense.

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You have to figure that this means the guys at their best, not now. Otherwise this makes no sense.
OP doesn't specify so.

However, it's kinda hard do compare when two of the players may not have hit their "best" years yet. Both Crosby and Stamkos are just entering their primes. If both have healthy careers you could see Crosby surpass Jagr and you could see Stamkos surpass Ovechkin.

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OP doesn't specify so.

However, it's kinda hard do compare when two of the players may not have hit their "best" years yet. Both Crosby and Stamkos are just entering their primes. If both have healthy careers you could see Crosby surpass Jagr and you could see Stamkos surpass Ovechkin.
crosby and stamkos probably aren't going to get much better

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I agree that generally it's better to have strength down the middle, but just because the second trio has a C/LW/RW doesn't mean you have to play them as one line. They have all had success carrying lesser players, so one would be put on the second line. Most likely Ovechkin.
I'd actually put Jagr on his own line. He's accustomed to holding the puck and creating for his line. Meanwhile Foppa n Ovy would be just sexy together.

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Crosby, Sakic and Stamkos because they're Canadians.

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OP doesn't specify so.

However, it's kinda hard do compare when two of the players may not have hit their "best" years yet. Both Crosby and Stamkos are just entering their primes. If both have healthy careers you could see Crosby surpass Jagr and you could see Stamkos surpass Ovechkin.
No he does not. But i would go and assume he means that. Cause nobody has info about how good Sakic or Forsberg are right now. There would be no sense in doing a poll like that. You have to realize that.

I assume that it means that how good have they been so far.

BTW, there is no way Crosby get better than Jagr. No fricking way.

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No he does not. But i would go and assume he means that. Cause nobody has info about how good Sakic or Forsberg are right now. There would be no sense in doing a poll like that. You have to realize that.

I assume that it means that how good have they been so far.

BTW, there is no way Crosby get better than Jagr. No fricking way.
I think he knows that, he just wants to find an excuse to vote for the option that he voted for.

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OP doesn't specify so.

However, it's kinda hard do compare when two of the players may not have hit their "best" years yet. Both Crosby and Stamkos are just entering their primes. If both have healthy careers you could see Crosby surpass Jagr and you could see Stamkos surpass Ovechkin.
No, the OP doesn't specify, but he doesn't have to. Of course we aren't talking about retired players in this poll, and I don't think we are talking about 50-60 points and 40 years old Jagr either. And for Crosby to surpass Jagr, he would really have to get better. A lot.

Edit: beaten to it by TAnnala (again)

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IMO it's more likely that Stamkos>Ovechkin than Crosby>Jagr when they are all finished.

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