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11-15-2012, 12:59 AM
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Greatest _____ to play the game

What would a list of the greates players from each country look like?

Some countries have had hundreds of players, some only a handfull...

Also for the sake of this thread lets consider ussr born players as russian

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11-15-2012, 01:14 AM
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Canada: Gretzky, Lemieux, Orr, Messier, Dionne, Bourque, Francis, Howe, Esposito, Yzerman, Sakic, Potvin, Roy, Brodeur, etc. etc. etc.

USA: Leetch, Hull, Modano, Roenick, Housley, LaFontaine, Mullen, Tkachuk, Weight, Richter, Chelios

Russia: Kharlamov, Fedorov, Larionov, Bure, Mogilny, Kovalev, Makarov, Krutov, Fetisov, Tretiak

Sweden: Lidstrom, Sundin, Forsberg, Alfredsson

Finland: Selanne, Kurri, Koivu

Czech Republic: Jagr, Hasek

Slovakia: Stastny, Stastny, Chara, Hossa


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Canada: Gretzky, Lemieux, Orr, Messier, Dionne, Bourque, Francis, Howe, Esposito, Yzerman, Sakic, Potvin, Roy, Brodeur, etc. etc. etc.

USA: Leetch, Hull, Modano, Roenick, Housley, LaFontaine, Mullen, Tkachuk, Weight, Richter, Chelios

Russia: Fedorov, Larionov, Mogilny, Kovalev, Makarov, Krutov, Fetisov, Tretiak

Sweden: Lidstrom, Sundin, Forsberg, Alfredsson

Finland: Selanne, Kurri, Koivu

Czech Republic: Jagr, Hasek

Slovakia: Stastny, Stastny, Chara, Hossa
Other than the fact you ignore a lot of current players, this about does it

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11-15-2012, 01:29 AM
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Canada: Gretzky (HM to Orr, Lemieux, Howe)
USA: Hull (HM to Modano, Chelios)
Russia: Kharlamov (HM to Tretiak, Fetisov)
Sweden: Lidstrom (HM to Salming, Forsberg)
Finland: Kurri (HM to Selanne, Numminen)
Czech: Hasek (HM to Jagr)
Slovakia: Mikita (if he counts); otherwise Stastny (HM to Chara, Bondra)
Slovenia: Kopitar
Germany: Ball
Austria: Vanek
Switzlerand: Streit

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11-15-2012, 04:25 AM
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11-15-2012, 05:08 AM
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Canada: Gretzky (HM to Orr, Lemieux, Howe)
USA: Hull (HM to Modano, Chelios)
Russia: Kharlamov (HM to Tretiak, Fetisov)
Sweden: Lidstrom (HM to Salming, Forsberg)
Finland: Kurri (HM to Selanne, Numminen)
Czech: Hasek (HM to Jagr)
Slovakia: Mikita (if he counts); otherwise Stastny (HM to Chara, Bondra)
Slovenia: Kopitar
Germany: Ball
Austria: Vanek
Switzlerand: Streit
Edit: Now I get it, totally forgot about Rudi Ball. But for Germany it has to be KŁhnhackl. He has been voted as "German player of the century". His stats are excellent on every level, national league, international.


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Canada: Gretzky (HM to Orr, Lemieux, Howe)
USA: Hull (HM to Modano, Chelios)
Russia: Kharlamov (HM to Tretiak, Fetisov)
Sweden: Lidstrom (HM to Salming, Forsberg)
Finland: Kurri (HM to Selanne, Numminen)
Czech: Hasek (HM to Jagr)
Slovakia: Mikita (if he counts); otherwise Stastny (HM to Chara, Bondra)
Slovenia: Kopitar
Germany: Ball
Austria: Vanek
Switzlerand: Streit
I'd maybe change Finland to Selšnne, and HM to Kurri and Lehtinen. Otherwise you're spot on.

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Japan: Fukufuji
Kazakstan: Antropov
Ukraine: Fedotenko
Norway: Knutsen
Latvia: Irbe

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Canada: Gretzky, Lemieux, Orr, Messier, Dionne, Bourque, Francis, Howe, Esposito, Yzerman, Sakic, Potvin, Roy, Brodeur, etc. etc. etc.

USA: Leetch, Hull, Modano, Roenick, Housley, LaFontaine, Mullen, Tkachuk, Weight, Richter, Chelios

Russia: Fedorov, Larionov, Mogilny, Kovalev, Makarov, Krutov, Fetisov, Tretiak

Sweden: Lidstrom, Sundin, Forsberg, Alfredsson

Finland: Selanne, Kurri, Koivu

Czech Republic: Jagr, Hasek

Slovakia: Stastny, Stastny, Chara, Hossa
No Bure?

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No Bure?
Maybe greatest Russian players in NHL history, but Bure isn't even top 10 as far as Russian players all time go.

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Canada: Gretzky, Lemieux, Orr, Messier, Dionne, Bourque, Francis, Howe, Esposito, Yzerman, Sakic, Potvin, Roy, Brodeur, etc. etc. etc.

USA: Leetch, Hull, Modano, Roenick, Housley, LaFontaine, Mullen, Tkachuk, Weight, Richter, Chelios

Russia: Fedorov, Larionov, Mogilny, Kovalev, Makarov, Krutov, Fetisov, Tretiak

Sweden: Lidstrom, Sundin, Forsberg, Alfredsson

Finland: Selanne, Kurri, Koivu

Czech Republic: Jagr, Hasek

Slovakia: Stastny, Stastny, Chara, Hossa
LOL. There are several better Russians who are playing right now. Not to mention some of the other all-time greats.

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Top 10 from Canada:

1) Orr
2) Gretzky
3) Lemieux
4) Howe
5) Beliveau
6) Harvey
7) Hull
8) Esposito
9) Richard
10) Potvin

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Maybe greatest Russian players in NHL history, but Bure isn't even top 10 as far as Russian players all time go.
So you mean none of the players in the past 20 years are good enough to crack top10 Russians of all-time? Not counting KLM guys.

I find it hard to believe. Could you name your top 10 Russian players?

EDIT:

To add to my point. Compare Kharlamov and Malkin.

Kharlamov was twice Soviet MVP: 1972, 1973
Led Soviet League in scoring once: 1972
Led Soviet League in goals once: 1971
Named best forward at World Championships: 1976

This is all against only Soviet or European competition.

Malkin:

NHL MVP: 2012 (+ 2009 2nd in Hart and a Conn Smyth)
Led the league in scoring: 2009, 2012
Named best forward at World Championships: 2012

That's a very similar resume. Only difference is that Malkin achieved all this against the toughest competition in world. While Kharlamov did not.

Frankly, it's pretty difficult to find hard evidence that Kharlamov was clearly better than Malkin. And Kharlamov is widely considered as the best Russian forward of all time. And at worst third best player behind Fetisov and Tretiak. So I find hard to believe that there are a bunch of old Soviet players with better resumes than Malkin.


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This. If he came over he would've made gretzky look silly.

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Here's my best all-time from each country with 2 HM's in parenthesis. Went by where each player was trained not born (i.e. Hull is Canadian not American, Mikita is Canadian, not Slovak, etc.)

Canada: Gretzky (Orr, Howe)
USA: Chelios (Brimsek, Leetch)
Russia: Fetisov (Tretiak, Makarov)
Sweden: Lidstrom (Forsberg, Salming/Sundin)
Czech Republic: Hasek (Jagr, Suchy)
Slovakia: Peter Stastny (Chara, Hossa)
Finland: Selanne (Kurri, Kiprusoff)

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Who? I'd say Byron Dafoe.

Ireland: Owen Nolan

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Who? I'd say Byron Dafoe.

Ireland: Owen Nolan
Tony Hand, former Oilers prospect during the Gretky days.

Sather said "At the training camp I could see that he had a great ability to read the ice and he was the smartest player there other than Wayne Gretzky"


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Who? I'd say Byron Dafoe.

Ireland: Owen Nolan
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tony_Hand

Indeed, Sather also says "At the training camp I could see that he had a great ability to read the ice and he was the smartest player there other than Wayne Gretzky. he skated well: his intelligence on the ice stood out. he was a real prospect."

Also, Nolan is from Northern Ireland. He's British (aside from being Canadian, but by birth he is).

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That was the one that I debating when I saw the title, Ozolinsh or Irbe?

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