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11-14-2012, 05:36 PM
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Outside the box WOW proposal that would make us a contender:

To DET: Whitney + Gagner + Omark + Klefbom
To EDM: P.Datsyuk


Hall-Datsyuk-Yakupov
Hartkianen-RNH-Eberle
Smyth-Horcoff-Hemsky

Whitney fills a big need for DET
Gagner to fill the #2C spot
Omark and Klefa to add to their depth

Yakupov gets mentor, EDM soldifies the C spot. Hemsky and Paajarvi become trade bait for a top 2 Dman (Yandle??)

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Datsyuk won't be moved for anything short of one of the big 5.

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Whos the 3rd line center, whos gunna take important face offs? whos gunna play tough minutes. Horcs contract sucks but it doesnt prevent us from signing key peices and we need his services
Except Horcoff can't win faceoffs or play tough minutes.

People are kidding themselves if they think a medicore and declining 3rd line center that is making 5.5 million a year cap hit isn't causing problems with recruitment and icetime assignments on the roster for both management and coaches.

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Outside the box WOW proposal that would make us a contender:

To DET: Whitney + Gagner + Omark + Klefbom
To EDM: P.Datsyuk


Hall-Datsyuk-Yakupov
Hartkianen-RNH-Eberle
Smyth-Horcoff-Hemsky

Whitney fills a big need for DET
Gagner to fill the #2C spot
Omark and Klefa to add to their depth

Yakupov gets mentor, EDM soldifies the C spot. Hemsky and Paajarvi become trade bait for a top 2 Dman (Yandle??)
Detroit fans are going to freak out if they see this.

Rightfully so, Datsyuk is a top 5 center.

Klefbom is the only one that could be an impact player, and that wouldn't be anytime soon.....

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Except Horcoff can't win faceoffs or play tough minutes.

People are kidding themselves if they think a medicore and declining 3rd line center that is making 5.5 million a year cap hit isn't causing problems with recruitment and icetime assignments on the roster for both management and coaches.
He can play tough minutes, he just gets eaten alive doing so.

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Outside the box WOW proposal that would make us a contender:

To DET: Whitney + Gagner + Omark + Klefbom
To EDM: P.Datsyuk


Hall-Datsyuk-Yakupov
Hartkianen-RNH-Eberle
Smyth-Horcoff-Hemsky

Whitney fills a big need for DET
Gagner to fill the #2C spot
Omark and Klefa to add to their depth

Yakupov gets mentor, EDM soldifies the C spot. Hemsky and Paajarvi become trade bait for a top 2 Dman (Yandle??)
That's ALOT to give up for 1.5 seasons of even Datsyuk. Even if he re-signs, he's 36 at the start of his next contract. Not for Gags and Klefbom.

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Outside the box WOW proposal that would make us a contender:

To DET: Whitney + Gagner + Omark + Klefbom
To EDM: P.Datsyuk


Hall-Datsyuk-Yakupov
Hartkianen-RNH-Eberle
Smyth-Horcoff-Hemsky

Whitney fills a big need for DET
Gagner to fill the #2C spot
Omark and Klefa to add to their depth

Yakupov gets mentor, EDM soldifies the C spot. Hemsky and Paajarvi become trade bait for a top 2 Dman (Yandle??)
P.Datsyuk is 34yrs and has a cap hit of 6.7M until 2012-13, so your going to trade all that for a 1yr of P.Datsyuk. This has to rank up there with one of the worst.

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Datsyuk won't be moved for anything short of one of the big 5.
pretty much this

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Detroit fans are going to freak out if they see this.

Rightfully so, Datsyuk is a top 5 center.

Klefbom is the only one that could be an impact player, and that wouldn't be anytime soon.....
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That's ALOT to give up for 1.5 seasons of even Datsyuk. Even if he re-signs, he's 36 at the start of his next contract. Not for Gags and Klefbom.
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P.Datsyuk is 34yrs and has a cap hit of 6.7M until 2012-13, so your going to trade all that for a 1yr of P.Datsyuk. This has to rank up there with one of the worst.
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pretty much this
so big overpayment for a player who has 1.5 season left
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huge underpayment and will need one of the big 5 going the other way..

IMO if DET wants to retool then this could be a good option.
Klefbom is almost NHL ready and a healthy Whitney is as good as anyone they have on D. Shores up the D for them and gets them Gagner and Omark

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I don't want to be the team that helps Detroit "retool" when they might actually have a chance to struggle for the first time in years.

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Except Horcoff can't win faceoffs or play tough minutes.

People are kidding themselves if they think a medicore and declining 3rd line center that is making 5.5 million a year cap hit isn't causing problems with recruitment and icetime assignments on the roster for both management and coaches.
Yeah well none of that matters since he's well spoken and wears the C

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I don't want to be the team that helps Detroit "retool" when they might actually have a chance to struggle for the first time in years.
+1 especially for a player that will maybe play 3-4 more years tops

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+1 especially for a player that will maybe play 3-4 more years tops
I'd move Gagner and something else of decent value for him (and Detroit would tell me to piss off) but not Klefbom. 3-4 years of Datsyuk to mentor RNH would be amazing and even at the end of those years he'd probably still be better than Gagner.

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I think a trade that could benefit both team would be something along the lines of

Omark and a 2nd for Matt Martin from Long Island.

Omark could give Tavares and Grabner some support by dishing the puck. The second could turn out to be a diamond, you never know.

Martin comes and slides into our lineup and hits everything in sight. The NW is a lot tougher than than before and having Martin and Eager on a line together may make some noise on the forecheck.

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Horcoff just recently built a house next to Katz, hes not going anywhere. In fact I could almost guarantee that he gets another contract after this one, anyone who thinks that Horcoff is going anywhere is delusional. It truly is disturbing to think that it is how the organization is operated.
If you ask me, this is an incredibly naive statement. It's like when someone is so afraid that something might happen, that they totally convince themselves that it will.

I don't doubt that the Oilers are Horcoff supporters, and I also don't doubt that they believe he's an important player. And just because buying him out under the current system may not be worth it to them, it doesn't mean they think it's a great deal and/or wouldn't buy him out if the rules were different.

There's an absolutely huge difference between liking a player and not being able to see that his contract doesn't come close to matching his contributions (and has another 2+ years on it). If they can buy him out without taking any cap penalty, then I have no doubts that they would. The way the contract was structured in the first place should be the first tell.

The fact that he now lives close to Katz is irrelevant.

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The fact that he now lives close to Katz is irrelevant.
I dunno, are there any other players in the entire league who live next door to the owner?

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Horcoff is like a puppy.

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I think a trade that could benefit both team would be something along the lines of

Omark and a 2nd for Matt Martin from Long Island.

Omark could give Tavares and Grabner some support by dishing the puck. The second could turn out to be a diamond, you never know.

Martin comes and slides into our lineup and hits everything in sight. The NW is a lot tougher than than before and having Martin and Eager on a line together may make some noise on the forecheck.
The Islanders have no reason to do this, they have secondary offense coming through the ranks (Nino, Nelson, Strome) and they need grit just like we do, Martin also signed a club friendly contract not all that long ago.

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If you ask me, this is an incredibly naive statement. It's like when someone is so afraid that something might happen, that they totally convince themselves that it will.

I don't doubt that the Oilers are Horcoff supporters, and I also don't doubt that they believe he's an important player. And just because buying him out under the current system may not be worth it to them, it doesn't mean they think it's a great deal and/or wouldn't buy him out if the rules were different.

There's an absolutely huge difference between liking a player and not being able to see that his contract doesn't come close to matching his contributions (and has another 2+ years on it). If they can buy him out without taking any cap penalty, then I have no doubts that they would. The way the contract was structured in the first place should be the first tell.

The fact that he now lives close to Katz is irrelevant.
I don't doubt that they value him as a person and even as a player to some extent, but like you've said it's about his worth relative to his cap, just because they'd entertain buying him out doesn't mean that they think that he can't play in the league anymore, it's because his contributions relative to his cap hit aren't worth the squeeze.

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so big overpayment for a player who has 1.5 season left
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huge underpayment and will need one of the big 5 going the other way..

IMO if DET wants to retool then this could be a good option.
Klefbom is almost NHL ready and a healthy Whitney is as good as anyone they have on D. Shores up the D for them and gets them Gagner and Omark
Haha yeah you gotta love proposal threads on HF. They generally render responses that are extremes to both sides. Like anythin the truth is in the middle.

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pretty much this
In what world?

edit: Actually I take that back, not for the fact that Datsyuk is worth that but for the fact that Detroit has no reason to part with Datsyuk.

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In what world?

edit: Actually I take that back, not for the fact that Datsyuk is worth that but for the fact that Detroit has no reason to part with Datsyuk.
Nor do we have any reason to sacrifice our top D-man currently when healthy and top D prospect potentially. It's a decentackage in terms of value but it still leaves us with an even larger void on the backend. We upgrade on C exponentially though. But for a short period of time when in all logic Datsyuk at his age is soon to decline.

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What about Pavelski? He's a little older and a little more expensive than Gagner, but he brings a lot of needed skills (faceoffs, PK). He shoots right, and has enough offence to play the 2C role effectively.

Plus SJ has a ton of centres.

Am I dreaming?

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Nor do we have any reason to sacrifice our top D-man currently when healthy and top D prospect potentially. It's a decentackage in terms of value but it still leaves us with an even larger void on the backend. We upgrade on C exponentially though. But for a short period of time when in all logic Datsyuk at his age is soon to decline.
You have to give to get... Datsyuk is top 5 if not top 3 C in the league.
Getting him to shelter RNH and mentor Yakupov would be huge for this organization. Adding someone like him boosts us into playoffs contention. Something that would do wonders to the development of the 'big 5'.

Whitney is also a year away from UFA and many fans here seem to have written him off. Klefbom is a great prospect but a price is to be paid to acquire a great talent..
Guys like Gagner, Omark, Hemsky, Paajarvi are not really in our long term plans so IMO are trade bait.

Lowe hinted at becoming a contender and a declining DET might need to get premium for a player who is a year and a half away from free agency. Might be a win win for both clubs..

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Follow up proposal:

assuming we picked up a legit 1a Center for Gagner + Whitney + prospects...

Hemsky + Paajarvi + Lander for Yandle

Hall-xxx-Yakupov
Harti-RNH-Eberle
Smyth-Horcoff-Jones
Eager-Belanger-Petrell

Yandle-Schultz
Smid-Petry
Pecks-Schultz

Give up a lot of prospects but are still left with some good ones..
Pitlick\Hamilton\Marincin\Musil\Gernat\Reider

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Follow up proposal:

assuming we picked up a legit 1a Center for Gagner + Whitney + prospects...

Hemsky + Paajarvi + Lander for Yandle

Hall-xxx-Yakupov
Harti-RNH-Eberle
Smyth-Horcoff-Jones
Eager-Belanger-Petrell

Yandle-Schultz
Smid-Petry
Pecks-Schultz

Give up a lot of prospects but are still left with some good ones..
Pitlick\Hamilton\Marincin\Musil\Gernat\Reider
I feel like theres no way gagner + whitney gets us anything close to a 1a center no matter what picks/prospects we include.

Theres also no way an injury prone declining winger and a prospect struggling to score in the ahl are worth a top pairing Dman

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