HFBoards

Go Back   HFBoards > General Hockey Discussion > The Business of Hockey
The Business of Hockey Discuss the financial and business aspects of the NHL. Topics may include the CBA, work stoppages, broadcast contracts, franchise sales, and NHL revenues.

Does Anybody Here Remember Vera Lynn? (CBA & Lockout Discussion) XXVIII ‎

Closed Thread
 
Thread Tools
Old
11-15-2012, 07:29 PM
  #751
7toZulu
Registered User
 
7toZulu's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: Denver
Country: United States
Posts: 119
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bourne Endeavor View Post
A moratorium is a suspension of activity. Apparently, Aaron Ward tweeted that Bettman wants to take two weeks off from negotiation.
During this time, lets all go to the mall.

7toZulu is offline  
Old
11-15-2012, 07:33 PM
  #752
Hanklite*
Bettman's Bro
 
Join Date: Oct 2012
Location: TO
Country: Canada
Posts: 996
vCash: 500
It's pretty obvious Bettman just said that to show the NHLPA that he means what he said. They will not get a Better offer to save an 68 game season. Either come at us with our offer of
Games will go down.

Hanklite* is offline  
Old
11-15-2012, 07:35 PM
  #753
Marc the Habs Fan
Moderator
Snippin' Yank
 
Marc the Habs Fan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2002
Location: Longueuil
Country: Canada
Posts: 49,283
vCash: 597
Katie Strang ‏@KatieStrangESPN
#CBA Can confirm what @aaronward_nhl first reported, that Gary Bettman suggested to NHLPA's Don Fehr that two sides take 2-week moratorium

Katie Strang ‏@KatieStrangESPN
#CBA Fehr told Bettman he'd like to talk to his membership about it. NHLPA plans on responding tmrw

Marc the Habs Fan is online now  
Old
11-15-2012, 07:39 PM
  #754
Mike Jones
Registered User
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Posts: 5,004
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Marc the Habs Fan View Post
Katie Strang ‏@KatieStrangESPN
#CBA Can confirm what @aaronward_nhl first reported, that Gary Bettman suggested to NHLPA's Don Fehr that two sides take 2-week moratorium

Katie Strang ‏@KatieStrangESPN
#CBA Fehr told Bettman he'd like to talk to his membership about it. NHLPA plans on responding tmrw
Well - whatever gets them talking.

Maybe Fehr will finally catch an earful from the players who want to sign and play.

Mike Jones is offline  
Old
11-15-2012, 07:39 PM
  #755
Cmoneyflyguy
Registered User
 
Cmoneyflyguy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Wayne, Pa
Country: United States
Posts: 2,111
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Marc the Habs Fan View Post
Katie Strang ‏@KatieStrangESPN
#CBA Can confirm what @aaronward_nhl first reported, that Gary Bettman suggested to NHLPA's Don Fehr that two sides take 2-week moratorium

Katie Strang ‏@KatieStrangESPN
#CBA Fehr told Bettman he'd like to talk to his membership about it. NHLPA plans on responding tmrw
Zuh? So much for urgency

Cmoneyflyguy is offline  
Old
11-15-2012, 07:40 PM
  #756
Ziggy Stardust
Master Debater
 
Ziggy Stardust's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2002
Location: Parts Unknown
Posts: 28,936
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Cmoneyflyguy View Post
Zuh? So much for urgency
They need the weeks off to prepare and recover from Thanksgiving.

Ziggy Stardust is offline  
Old
11-15-2012, 07:41 PM
  #757
CerebralGenesis
Registered User
 
CerebralGenesis's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Posts: 23,464
vCash: 500
What's the difference? They officially take a 2 week vacation or just don't do anything for 2 weeks. Only difference is that it spares us from asking if they are meeting today for 2 weeks.

CerebralGenesis is offline  
Old
11-15-2012, 07:53 PM
  #758
JoeLH
Registered User
 
Join Date: Oct 2003
Posts: 666
vCash: 500
Hmm, maybe Bettman likes to FASTEN things up instead of slowing? If he believes the PA should make the next offer, he maybe just wants to show with this idea that his position won't move over that time.

JoeLH is offline  
Old
11-15-2012, 07:54 PM
  #759
Tinalera
Registered User
 
Tinalera's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: The Known Universe
Posts: 5,848
vCash: 500
So they aren't speaking right now, and NHL suggesting two more weeks of non-talk.

Lets see, 2 weeks would put us at the end of Nov, beginning of Dec, which pretty much definitely means no hockey till Jan.

Also two weeks from now would mean the players lose yet another paycheck.

I'm going to make semi-bold reach here-if Fehr agrees to this and they aren't talking till beginning of Dec, IMO season is done.

Tinalera is offline  
Old
11-15-2012, 07:54 PM
  #760
FanSince2014
What'd He Say?
 
FanSince2014's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2003
Country: Slovenia
Posts: 3,012
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Cmoneyflyguy View Post
Zuh? So much for urgency
There's no urgency for 27/30 NHL teams to continue to operate in the red.

The PA will react to this they did the original NHL offer, with feigned incredulity in an attempt to show their unity, all a guise designed by Fehr.

FanSince2014 is offline  
Old
11-15-2012, 07:55 PM
  #761
Langdon Alger*
 
Join Date: Nov 2011
Posts: 1,112
vCash: 500
Quote:
Katie Strang @KatieStrangESPN

#CBA We'll see if/when NHLPA responds, but union's stance throughout process has been that they prefer meeting rather than not
Tactic to force the NHLPA back to the table?

Langdon Alger* is offline  
Old
11-15-2012, 07:56 PM
  #762
Blackhawkswincup
Global Moderator
 
Blackhawkswincup's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: Chicagoland
Country: United States
Posts: 95,314
vCash: 200
Quote:
Originally Posted by NYRKING30 View Post
IBleedUnionBlue

"I wonder if the NHL fans could unite just to boycott 1 sponsor? If 1 sponsor was targeted, maybe that 1 sponsor would drop its investment in the NHL. And correspondingly, perhaps other sponsors would reconsider their relationship with the NHL."

I don't know why but when I go to click on "quote" nothing comes up in the reply boc. Anyway is Samsung a sponsor of the NHL? I was wondering because last night I tried getting on NHL GameCenter from my Samsung Smart TV and I got the message that said "Samsung is no longer carrying NHL GameCenter Live for Samsung smart apps". Is this the effects of a lockout or totally unrelated?
So punish a company that has nothing to do with this and its workers?

Stupid idea

Blackhawkswincup is offline  
Old
11-15-2012, 07:57 PM
  #763
Motown Beatdown
Need a slump buster
 
Motown Beatdown's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2002
Location: Indianapolis
Country: United States
Posts: 8,542
vCash: 450
Quote:
Originally Posted by FanSince2012 View Post
There's no urgency for 27/30 NHL teams to continue to operate in the red.

The PA will react to this they did the original NHL offer, with feigned incredulity in an attempt to show their unity, all a guise designed by Fehr.

now it's 27/30 teams in the red. This is like a fish story, keeps on getting bigger over time.

Pretty soon every team and every arena lost money because of those dastardly players

Motown Beatdown is offline  
Old
11-15-2012, 07:57 PM
  #764
JoeLH
Registered User
 
Join Date: Oct 2003
Posts: 666
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Langdon Alger View Post
Tactic to force the NHLPA back to the table?
Maybe. 'Okay, if you don't want a moratorium, than come to table with a new offer' ...

JoeLH is offline  
Old
11-15-2012, 07:57 PM
  #765
HockeyCrazed101
Registered User
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: Toronto
Country: Canada
Posts: 9,171
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by CerebralGenesis View Post
What's the difference? They officially take a 2 week vacation or just don't do anything for 2 weeks. Only difference is that it spares us from asking if they are meeting today for 2 weeks.
I joked about making it official as well but I think the psychology behind this is reinforcing the idea that the league is done making proposals. By initiating an official break, it tells the PA that the league sees no reason to meet in the foreseeable future and the league has set their demands that the PA will now have to come to them with proposals. The PA's response will give the league a gauge of where things are at right now. If the PA disagrees with taking a break, then the league will probably expect the PA to bring a proposal to the table in order to get talks going again. If the PA agrees to a break, the league accepts that the PA isn't ready to make the first move but at the same time, the PA will be losing definite time from the process, keeping in mind that the league will have to cancel a couple weeks of December games and they'll have to do it relatively soon. Agreeing to a break seems all but certain of nailing the coffin closed on an early December start date.

It also puts the onus on the PA. The PA is preaching the two sides are in fact closer to a deal while the league says they aren't. If the PA really believes they're closer to a deal, they won't want to take an official break from talks and guarantee losing any more games without trying to get back to the table and save December games.

HockeyCrazed101 is offline  
Old
11-15-2012, 08:00 PM
  #766
haseoke39
Brainfart 4 Reinhart
 
haseoke39's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2011
Posts: 4,857
vCash: 500
Suggesting a moratorium is, in and of itself, a negotiation strategy. It's broadcasting that you've reached a red line and don't anticipate any shift from your constituents until there's more money on the line.

haseoke39 is offline  
Old
11-15-2012, 08:01 PM
  #767
Scottkmlps
Moderator
 
Scottkmlps's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: Ladysmith, BC
Country: Canada
Posts: 8,639
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Langdon Alger View Post
Tactic to force the NHLPA back to the table?
That's what I was thinking. Bettman is doing it to get a response from the players not Fehr.

Scottkmlps is online now  
Old
11-15-2012, 08:01 PM
  #768
JoeLH
Registered User
 
Join Date: Oct 2003
Posts: 666
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by HockeyCrazed101 View Post
I joked about making it official as well but I think the psychology behind this is reinforcing the idea that the league is done making proposals. By initiating an official break, it tells the PA that the league sees no reason to meet in the foreseeable future and the league has set their demands that the PA will now have to come to them with proposals. The PA's response will give the league a gauge of where things are at right now. If the PA disagrees with taking a break, then the league will probably expect the PA to bring a proposal to the table in order to get talks going again. If the PA agrees to a break, the league accepts that the PA isn't ready to make the first move but at the same time, the PA will be losing definite time from the process, keeping in mind that the league will have to cancel a couple weeks of December games and they'll have to do it relatively soon. Agreeing to a break seems all but certain of nailing the coffin closed on an early December start date.

It also puts the onus on the PA. The PA is preaching the two sides are in fact closer to a deal while the league says they aren't. If the PA really believes they're closer to a deal, they won't want to take an official break from talks and guarantee losing any more games without trying to get back to the table and save December games.
This.

Could be a pretty smart move, as the league won't lose much with it. Even if the PA regrets, there's a little bit more pressure on them to restart the process.

JoeLH is offline  
Old
11-15-2012, 08:03 PM
  #769
MVP of West Hollywd
Registered User
 
MVP of West Hollywd's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Posts: 1,730
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Marc the Habs Fan View Post
Katie Strang ‏@KatieStrangESPN
#CBA Can confirm what @aaronward_nhl first reported, that Gary Bettman suggested to NHLPA's Don Fehr that two sides take 2-week moratorium

Katie Strang ‏@KatieStrangESPN
#CBA Fehr told Bettman he'd like to talk to his membership about it. NHLPA plans on responding tmrw
Yeah this is pretty much trying to get the leverage/we're serious *****ez of cancelling 2 weeks, without actually cancelling them. Lol

MVP of West Hollywd is offline  
Old
11-15-2012, 08:05 PM
  #770
Orca Smash
Registered User
 
Join Date: Feb 2012
Country: Canada
Posts: 6,477
vCash: 50
Its painfully clear now more then ever both sides dont really care if they reach a deal anytime soon.

Orca Smash is offline  
Old
11-15-2012, 08:07 PM
  #771
NYRKING30
Registered User
 
NYRKING30's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2011
Location: NYC
Posts: 1,758
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Blackhawkswincup View Post
So punish a company that has nothing to do with this and its workers?

Stupid idea
I agree with you but it seems like Samsung has already cut off the NHL.

NYRKING30 is offline  
Old
11-15-2012, 08:09 PM
  #772
Erik Estrada
One Country United!
 
Erik Estrada's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Land of the Habs
Country: Canada
Posts: 7,016
vCash: 500
Tim Panaccio ‏@tpanotchCSN
#cba: So Gary Bettman suggested both sides take 2 weeks off after we've already squandered 2 month of hockey ... what am I missing here?

Erik Estrada is offline  
Old
11-15-2012, 08:10 PM
  #773
Orca Smash
Registered User
 
Join Date: Feb 2012
Country: Canada
Posts: 6,477
vCash: 50
Quote:
Originally Posted by FanSince2012 View Post
There's no urgency for 27/30 NHL teams to continue to operate in the red.

The PA will react to this they did the original NHL offer, with feigned incredulity in an attempt to show their unity, all a guise designed by Fehr.
Wait what? 27 out of 30 teams are now operating in the red? Where did this come from?

I dont like fehr and think hes a poor choice if the PA does want a deal, but putting bias aside, if fehr suggested two weeks off would have it been heralded as a psychological tactic or would people around here be calling him the devil.

Orca Smash is offline  
Old
11-15-2012, 08:12 PM
  #774
Captain Saku
Registered User
 
Captain Saku's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Montreal
Posts: 9,829
vCash: 500
When did the nba reach an agreement last year?

Captain Saku is offline  
Old
11-15-2012, 08:12 PM
  #775
Erik Estrada
One Country United!
 
Erik Estrada's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Land of the Habs
Country: Canada
Posts: 7,016
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Marc the Habs Fan View Post
Katie Strang ‏@KatieStrangESPN
#CBA Fehr told Bettman he'd like to talk to his membership about it. NHLPA plans on responding tmrw
I hope his membership tells him to **** off with that idea.

Erik Estrada is offline  
Closed Thread

Forum Jump


Bookmarks

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 01:12 PM.

monitoring_string = "e4251c93e2ba248d29da988d93bf5144"
Contact Us - HFBoards - Archive - Privacy Statement - Terms of Use - Advertise - Top - AdChoices

vBulletin Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
HFBoards.com is a property of CraveOnline Media, LLC, an Evolve Media, LLC company. 2014 All Rights Reserved.