When I said Cabrera would be in contention, I meant with respect to the fact that he's in the group of people at the top of the list who aren't so far off the lead that they can't garner votes.
I do still think Trout should've won for all the reasons you stated, but while Cabrera might have had multiple factors working against him this isn't a travesty to the level of, say, Maury Wills over Willie Mays or Juan Gonzalez over Alex Rodriguez. Or even (and I know it's going to sound like blasphemy to say it) Justin Morneau over Derek Jeter or David Ortiz.
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People don't want to move Buerhle, nor Johnson even. Johnson is approaching UFA status though so if we are talking about moving one then we need to talk about him.
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He's a trooper, and he knows if he pitches well then the team will do well. We really needed him to step up this year but he couldn't manage, so I hope he can rebound next year with less pressure and all.
Yea, true. He also knows that the spot in the rotation is relatively inconsequential once the series gets going. They pitch every 5 games regardless. Romero won't be opening day starter and might not start a playoff series if we get that far, but beyond that the designation between 1st and 5th starter is somewhat imaginary.
Also, the pressure is off Romero, and he has more mental flexibility to return to his former self.
Well, Buerhle is very durable and can be a solid innings eater for a team with some payroll to burn ala Chicago Cubs. Also we can kick in the $8 Million coming our way in that deal to make the financial implications reduced to only $40 million over 3 years, much more affordable for a team in need of a veteran rotation presence.
Also with Buck and Lind's contract coming off the books and a nice $52 Million TV revenue starting in 2014 I doubt there is any issue retaining Josh Johnson and having a Payroll in the 140-150 million range in the next few years, especially if the fans start showing up again.
I thought of Lind after I posted but did forget about Buck. That's a very good chunk of change right there.
When I said Cabrera would be in contention, I meant with respect to the fact that he's in the group of people at the top of the list who aren't so far off the lead that they can't garner votes.
I do still think Trout should've won for all the reasons you stated, but while Cabrera might have had multiple factors working against him this isn't a travesty to the level of, say, Maury Wills over Willie Mays or Juan Gonzalez over Alex Rodriguez. Or even (and I know it's going to sound like blasphemy to say it) Justin Morneau over Derek Jeter or David Ortiz.
Cabrera was a deserving MVP candidate, but that is it, Mike Trout was in a class of his own this year. Frankly, no one else deserved to be in the conversation with him.
As for the aforementioned examples, with the exception of the Morneau victory, the writers association had far less information back then, and sabre metrics were nowhere near as wide-spread. So while those decisions are similarly baffling, they are understandable. This decision on the other hand is just mind boggling, not Morneau 2006 bad, but bad nonetheless.
Cabrera was a deserving MVP candidate, but that is it, Mike Trout was in a class of his own this year. Frankly, no one else deserved to be in the conversation with him.
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Cabrera was a deserving MVP candidate, but that is it, Mike Trout was in a class of his own this year. Frankly, no one else deserved to be in the conversation with him.
As for the aforementioned examples, with the exception of the Morneau victory, the writers association had far less information back then, and sabre metrics were nowhere near as wide-spread. So while those decisions are similarly baffling, they are understandable. This decision on the other hand is just mind boggling, not Morneau 2006 bad, but bad nonetheless.
Only knock I have against Trout is the he didnt get his team into the playoffs.
Cabrera was a deserving MVP candidate, but that is it, Mike Trout was in a class of his own this year. Frankly, no one else deserved to be in the conversation with him.
As for the aforementioned examples, with the exception of the Morneau victory, the writers association had far less information back then, and sabre metrics were nowhere near as wide-spread. So while those decisions are similarly baffling, they are understandable. This decision on the other hand is just mind boggling, not Morneau 2006 bad, but bad nonetheless.
Like it or not writers put a lot of stock into an MVP candidate getting his team to the playoffs. It is now 20 of the last 21 MVP's that have helped his team into the playoffs. To say nobody else deserved to be in the conversation and short sighted and silly. We aren't talking about a vote that went down the wire, Cabrera comfortably defeated Trout. The worst part about these new age stats is to hear a guy like Brian Kenny on MLB Network all but say Miguel Cabrera is a rally killer sighting all the DP's he hit into. Yes the best hitter in MLB is a rally killer. The sabremetric people try too hard to discredit good players that don't fit into their metrics.
I see JJ getting somewhere around 6/100-105. The per year ranges from 16.6-17.5
If I'm right I think he makes 14 this coming year and is looking for a big big raise. I actually think we may have to combine Lind and Buck's salary to his current salary to get it done. i think he'll be looking in the 25 range.
If he has a good year and returns to form of dominating the game he deserves around 20, I think if we offered him around 16 for 5 he would take it and run. Especially due to the fact he's an injury risk.
At the same time he's a potential #1 starter and guys like that get PAID
So I just read that the trade will be reviewed. Can this deal actually be declined? Can someone explain to me what part of mlb's cba that could lead this to being a rejected trade?
So I just read that the trade will be reviewed. Can this deal actually be declined? Can someone explain to me what part of mlb's cba that could lead this to being a rejected trade?
They can't reject the deal, only way it does not go through is if the physicals of some players reveal injuries I suppose.
Also some of the players (Reyes being one) have yet to take their physical.
No single player in the history of baseball has taken their team to the playoffs by themselves.
Yes, but that does play a big part in the voting. And like you said, no one was near Trout, so you'd think he could at least get his team into the PO's.
It's amazing how effectively you managed to capture my opinion of you with this post.
Yeah but...
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To say nobody else deserved to be in the conversation and short sighted and silly. We aren't talking about a vote that went down the wire, Cabrera comfortably defeated Trout.
I'm content with how far out in left field you are on this one.
So I just read that the trade will be reviewed. Can this deal actually be declined? Can someone explain to me what part of mlb's cba that could lead this to being a rejected trade?
The only reason they are saying this is because a few of the players haven't had their physicals yet/ and Selig is toying with the hearts of the Miami supporters giving them hope the trade doesn't go through. If this trade doesn't happen Selig loses his job, it's simple as that. It's a baseball move, similarly LA and BOS trade 3 months ago.
