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11-15-2012, 08:30 PM
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They're calling the PA out now.

NHL: You don't even want to reach an agreement!

NHLPA: Of course we do!

NHL: Then get your butts back to the table and let's talk.
Huh...the NHL is the one proposing a 2 week moratorium...

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11-15-2012, 08:31 PM
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Even if he is, all this **** does is galvanize the players and solidify their unity.
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The PA will react to this they did the original NHL offer, with feigned incredulity in an attempt to show their unity, all a guise designed by Fehr.
See?

I didn't even have to hear it from the PA.

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Calling him the devil, because the players have said they wanted to play, because the owners have been the one moving on their offers, the players haven't really negotiated, etc.
They also claim their firmly behind him. I dont like him, as i said I thought he was a poor choice, you dont have to convince people of your stance, but the players do say they support him.

My point was if fehr suggested two weeks off, hed be looked at critically and poorly in this area, but bettman does it, and its great.

I dont like either bettman or fehr personally.

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Even if he is, all this **** does is galvanize the players and solidify their unity.
Or he causes some of them to start pushing for a deal. You can only negotiate against yourself for so long.

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Darren Dreger ‏@DarrenDreger
Series of Daly quotes on league initiated hiatus: "We have made repeated moves in the Players' direction with absolutely no reciprocation."

Darren Dreger ‏@DarrenDreger
Daly: "unfortunately, we have determined we are involved with Union leadership that has no genuine interest in reaching an agreement."


This will help.
Maybe I'm reading too much into this but if I'm not mistaken, this is the first time an actual shot has been taken at Fehr and the PA committee that's come straight from the horse's mouth and not from some 'NHL sources'. Why didn't the league make comments like this much earlier? I've always been pessimistic about this process and about having any season at all but it's possible that these direct comments are gloves off for the league. Maybe they've already decided that if need be, a season will be lost and they're now drawing the line in the sand. It seems like they're saying that they see Fehr's strategy and they've had about enough playing games. Again, I've been pessimistic about the whole thing and while I don't necessarily think his comments will prevent negotiations in the near future or even a deal happening (though I think unlikely), I do think these comments serve to add to the recent actions by the league to say that we're not making any first moves any more.

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11-15-2012, 08:32 PM
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They're calling the PA out now.

NHL: You don't even want to reach an agreement!

NHLPA: Of course we do!

NHL: Then get your butts back to the table and let's talk.
But first, we want a 2 week break b/c you don't want to make a deal.

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Gary is taking his ball and going home, he doesn't want to play with Fehr anymore.
So far, the pressure on Fehr and the NHLPA has come from the NHL / owners. The NHL has probably decided that unless Fehr feels some pressure from the players to make a deal, they won't get any further in negotiations. The delay is simply to create some uncertainty and financial costs to the players. If the players stay resolved and don't mind losing more paycheques and perhaps the season, then Fehr will continue to keep a hard line, and if the owners remain solid the season is toast.

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#CBA Can confirm what @aaronward_nhl first reported, that Gary Bettman suggested to NHLPA's Don Fehr that two sides take 2-week moratorium

Katie Strang ‏@KatieStrangESPN
#CBA Fehr told Bettman he'd like to talk to his membership about it. NHLPA plans on responding tmrw

If Bettman suggests a 2 wk break and the PA agrees to it, then how could the NHL just be to blame?

Plus, maybe it's just me but 2 weeks not talking will probably get them to the same point 2 weeks talking has anyway.

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The last part of the daly quotes:
@DarrenDreger: Daly: "Regardless of what we propose or how we suggest to compromise the answer is "no," At some pt you have to say "enough is enough".

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Huh...the NHL is the one proposing a 2 week moratorium...
Yes, to test the players in their "We're close to a deal" slant.

If they're close to a deal, get it done.

Otherwise, there's nothing to talk about.

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This is getting past the point of ridiculous. I know some will find a way of complimenting the negotiating tactics of one or both sides, but all I see is a bunch of greedy, delusional children who can't see the forest through the trees.

We're basically receiving the same line from both sides now: well, we want to negotiate, but it's clear the other side has no interest in negotiating.

One side, and as I see it, it should be the NHLPA, should counter with a more reasonable offer and hopefully they can negotiate off that.

What's going on right now is a travesty and both sides have already lost far more than they seem competent enough to understand.

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They also claim their firmly behind him. I dont like him, as i said I thought he was a poor choice, you dont have to convince people of your stance, but the players do say they support him.

My point was if fehr suggested two weeks off, hed be looked at critically and poorly in this area, but bettman does it, and its great.

I dont like either bettman or fehr personally.
Because Fehr's bargaining position is different than Bettman's.

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11-15-2012, 08:34 PM
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Huh...the NHL is the one proposing a 2 week moratorium...
Yes, they did. Then Fehr said he'd have to run it past his people first. What might happen now if, say, the players tell Fehr they don't want a moratorium?

Everyone here needs to stop taking everything everyone says about these talks at face value.

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11-15-2012, 08:34 PM
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It's the League's lockout.

And now it's the League's moratorium.

Meanwhile, all the concessions are from the PA. (The only question is how much they are willing to give up.)

I guess we'll wait at least another two weeks to find out.

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Huh...the NHL is the one proposing a 2 week moratorium...
Doesn't matter who suggests it. If the league wanted, they could have internally agreed to not contact the PA for two weeks and refuse any meetings. By seeking an official break between the two parties, they are putting some onus on the PA because if the breaks do happen, it's not because the owners forced it, it's because the PA agreed to it.

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Is this part of the playbook?

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It's the League's lockout.

And now it's the League's moratorium.

Meanwhile, all the concessions are from the PA. (The only question is how much they are willing to give up.)

I guess we'll wait at least another two weeks to find out.
Raises are a concession? That's a hell of a time, how do I get to be part of this union damn.

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Yes, they did. Then Fehr said he'd have to run it past his people first.

What might happen now if, say, the players tell Fehr they don't want a moratorium?
I can already see Fehr's comment tomorrow. "the owners would like a 2 week vacation from talks, I'm not sure how this helps negotiating a deal for hockey to return this year"

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11-15-2012, 08:37 PM
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Maybe those NHL "guardians" from the all star game will come and saves us like they said they would

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It's the League's lockout.

And now it's the League's moratorium.

Meanwhile, all the concessions are from the PA. (The only question is how much they are willing to give up.)

I guess we'll wait at least another two weeks to find out.
At least try to hide your bias. It's the league's lockout to prevent a potential strike.

The moratorium was offered. The PA would have to agree.

The PA is making money, only. The NHL isn't only making money.

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Raises are a concession? That's a hell of a time, how do I get to be part of this union damn.
Twelve percent smaller ones are.

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Because Fehr's bargaining position is different than Bettman's.
Yes, but my point is their extreme one sided viewpoints in favor of whatever bettman does, and extreme criticism whenever fehr uses "bargaining tactics"

All Im saying is I dont see how anyone can herald this as a great psychological bargaining tactic by bettman. Taking two weeks off.

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They need a break from taking a break.

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I can already see Fehr's comment tomorrow. "the owners would like a 2 week vacation from talks, I'm not sure how this helps negotiating a deal for hockey to return this year"
Bettman OFFERED a two-week moratorium. Both sides have to agree to it.

The owners are using this to test how badly the players want to deal. If they're comfortable sitting it out, they'll agree to the break. If they're not, they won't.

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It's the League's lockout.

And now it's the League's moratorium.

Meanwhile, all the concessions are from the PA. (The only question is how much they are willing to give up.)

I guess we'll wait at least another two weeks to find out.
and it appears to most fans the NHLPA are the bad guys.

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