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Does Anybody Here Remember Vera Lynn? (CBA & Lockout Discussion) XXVIII ‎

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11-15-2012, 11:28 PM
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"The players have offered the owners concessions worth about a billion dollars."

They did? When?
Yes they did, in 2004 when they agreed to the cap which saw their share of 75%(?) go down to 57%. This is what you are dealing with in Fehr 0:

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11-15-2012, 11:29 PM
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I think the NHL needs to go ahead with its best offer in 2 weeks as a take it or leave it or agree to that framework by December 15th or if not tell them 12/16 the 2012-13 season may R.I.P 2 months before they cancelled it in 2005. Judging from Daly's comments, the league has dropped the gloves and will not flinch on cancelling the season in Mid-December.
I think they've already put out their best offer, I don't think the owners are willing to go further.

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Did you even bother reading the context of the '2 week hiatus'?
Nope. I stopped paying attention to lockout related news a long time ago.

My response to Bettman if I was Donald Fehr? I'll take your '2 weeks' and raise you a month.

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This is the same old rhetoric and just indicates that the Fehrs are not interested in negotiating an end to the lockout but only in stonrealling an agreement while shifting blame to the owners.
Smoke n mirrors nothing more. pure BS.

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Nope. I stopped paying attention to lockout related news a long time ago.

My response to Bettman if I was Donald Fehr? I'll take your '2 weeks' and raise you a month.
yep lets play poker with it. Ill call you and if you don't accept last offer, season is cancelled. ALL IN!!!

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No they don't.

The owners can easily find replacement players, which will eventually break the NHLPA.

The players can't find 30 different billionaires to start a new league and pay them an average of 2.1M a season.
Easy solution. Release all 700 NHL players out of their contract and allow them to sign with the ECHL. The NHL teams can then sign players 701-1400 to fill their clubs. Lets see which league ends up being more successful in the end.

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11-15-2012, 11:33 PM
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Easy solution. Release all 700 NHL players out of their contract and allow them to sign with the ECHL. The NHL teams can then sign players 701-1400 to fill their clubs. Lets see which league ends up being more successful in the end.
Ill put money on the NHL. Have fun riding a bus!!

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Easy solution. Release all 700 NHL players out of their contract and allow them to sign with the ECHL. The NHL teams can then sign players 701-1400 to fill their clubs. Lets see which league ends up being more successful in the end.
I think the league with teams in the large, TV rich markets with a lot of money will be a bit more successful than the Utah Grizzlies and Wheeling Nailers, despite the drop-off in talent. The ECHL won't be able to sustain those players.

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That is not why many are with the league(owners). Many believe Fehr is not negotiating in good faith and has led the players down a dead end path.
Yeah, I'm with the owners because they offered the PA the best revenue split in North american pro sports in time to start a full season. Context matters.

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11-15-2012, 11:34 PM
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Easy solution. Release all 700 NHL players out of their contract and allow them to sign with the ECHL. The NHL teams can then sign players 701-1400 to fill their clubs. Lets see which league ends up being more successful in the end.
The ECHL couldn't even afford 1 single NHL players meal demands let alone a contract

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No, the league should just come out and say see you next summer, maybe.
After 12/15 and no deal then yeah they should say that. I still want to see hockey this year.

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I think they've already put out their best offer, I don't think the owners are willing to go further.
They could go a little bit further on the contract demands.

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11-15-2012, 11:35 PM
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Ill put money on the NHL. Have fun riding a bus!!
Well heck, why aren't you watching the AHL right now!

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The ECHL couldn't even afford 1 single NHL players meal demands let alone a contract
Its called Mcdonalds.

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I finally had to respond to one of these TSN Pro Player guys, Scott Cullen

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I'm fascinated by NHL assertion that they have moved in the players' direction -- I was unaware of any player gains in CBA proposals.
I had responded that the NHL wasn't technically wrong, only their initial offer was so low that by going up they were, in essence, "moving towards the players' direction". I also had told him that most fans believe that the PA should accept 50/50.

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@TheRockLobst3r Some fans believe PA should accept 50-50. Most fans believe contracts should be honoured too.
I've finally had enough of this. I responded that in the last CBA, you know, the one that Fehr likes to bring up saying "The owners got everything they wanted" in the last CBA, DIDN'T PAY OUT 100% of contracts (from what I've understood of the Escrow system).

And that I'm mad at both sides, because they are still fighting over how to split up money that we, the fans, will be giving to them...and it's a shame that the NHL and the PA believes that fans are just going to come back and continue giving the NHL record revenues.

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Easy solution. Release all 700 NHL players out of their contract and allow them to sign with the ECHL. The NHL teams can then sign players 701-1400 to fill their clubs. Lets see which league ends up being more successful in the end.
NHL, and it's hilarious to suggest anything else.

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Well heck, why aren't you watching the AHL right now!
I do when minor team affiliate plays

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And Sportsnet only shows Steve Fehr's response, but not Dalys response. Wtf. What a NHLPA mouthpiece.

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NHL, and it's hilarious to suggest anything else.
I respectfully disagree.

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They could go a little bit further on the contract demands.
I don't think they'll move on contract demands until the players are ready to negociate a real 50-50 linked deal.

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Easy solution. Release all 700 NHL players out of their contract and allow them to sign with the ECHL. The NHL teams can then sign players 701-1400 to fill their clubs. Lets see which league ends up being more successful in the end.
If this happened, I guarantee that at least half of the 700 NHLPA members would jump **** to make their millions of dollars in the NHL rather than make their thousands of dollars in the ****ing ECHL.

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11-15-2012, 11:40 PM
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I don't think they'll move on contract demands until the players are ready to negociate a real 50-50 linked deal.
Yeah I agree, but if the owners are going to give a little more in any area it should be that one.

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