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11-05-2012, 04:23 PM
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There's a big difference with Hedman in Tampa and Hedman with Tre Kronor though. Ask Tampa and they're happy with what he's turned into, logging tough minutes and still is improving. Ask a bunch of Swedes and they'd probably say Hedman hasn't lived up to expectations because he's seen as an offensive D-man not putting up points. And the guy is 21.. He's actually younger than Justin Schultz and was drafted a year after him aswell. Perspective is key.

When players are reaching Backlund and Tedenby territory, i.e. a couple or more NA seasons but still aren't full-time players, that's when I'd start to talk about them maybe not living up to being 1st rd draft picks. But really, that's why they're called prospects and not stars the minute they are drafted. I don't think this comes as shock that some hit, some miss. Erik Karlsson and Marcus Johansson meet Dennis Persson and Anton Gustafsson. Evander Kane and Sean Couturier meet Angelo Esposito and Scott Glennie. Et cetera.

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11-10-2012, 04:54 AM
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2 goals for Erixon against Connecticut.

Cehlin have started the AHL season great, 8pts in 9 games.

Anders Nilsson back from injury got a win.

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Erixon is probably the most underrated Swedish prospect, several trades before becoming a regular doesn't help.

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Victor Rask has been assigned back to WHL.

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PosNameHtWtBornTeamGPGAPtsPIM+/-
RWGustav Nyquist5'111851989Grand Rapids Griffins1369154+9
CMarcus Krüger5'111721990Rockford Icehogs13371022-1
RWPatrik Cehlin*5'111761991Milwaukee Admirals1055106+2
CJoakim Andersson6'22071989Grand Rapids Griffins1245916+1
DOliver Ekman Larsson6'21901991Portland Pirates636912+4
CJacob Josefson6'11901991Albany Devils114486+7
DDavid Rundblad6'21901990Portland Pirates110884-3
DTim Erixon6'31991991Springfield Falcons1235816+6
RWJohan Larsson*5'111981992Houston Aeros1435812-2
LWMagnus Pääjärvi6'22041991Oklahoma City Barons132576-3
DAdam Almqvist5'111731991Grand Rapids Griffins1024680
DMattias Ekholm*6'41761990Milwaukee Admirals122468-3
RWJakob Silfverberg*6'01971990Binghamton Senators112462-3
CJohan Sundström*6'21951992Bridgeport Sound Tigers112356+3
CVictor Rask**6'11951993Charlotte Checkers101450+7
DAdam Larsson6'32001992Albany Devils1114580
RWAndre Petersson5'91771990Binghamton Senators1123512-5
CMika Zibanejad*6'22001993Binghamton Senators110444-4
DErik Gustafsson5'101801988Adirondack Phantoms1213415-3
DJonas Brodin*6'11801993Houston Aeros82244+2
DHampus Lindholm*6'31951994Norfolk Admirals121344+5
LWJohn Persson*6'22151992Bridgeport Sound Tigers113149-1
RWDaniel Bång*6'42051987Milwaukee Admirals71344+2
DAlexander Urbom6'52151990Albany Devils60339+3
LWMattias Tedenby5'101751990Albany Devils821320
CMattias Sjögren6'32191987Herchey Bears71126-3
DFredrik Claesson*6'02051992Binghamton Senators90225-4
FAnton Rödin6'11801990Chicago Wolves902215+1
LWCarl Klingberg6'32141991St. John's Icecaps91122+1
RWDavid Ullström6'32001989Bridgeport Sound Tigers70222-1
DPeter Andersson6'41991991Chicago Wolves80115+1
CAnton Lander6'01941991Oklahoma City Barons900040
DKlas Dahlbeck6'21941991Rockford Icehogs70002-1
DPatrik Nemeth*6'42331992Texas Stars90006+1
RWSebastian Wännström6'11801991Peoria Rivermen110002-5

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GRobin Lehner6'42131991Binghamton Senators91.740.942
GNiklas Svedberg*6'11761989Providence Bruins71.830.933
GAnders Nilsson6'52201990Bridgeport Sound Tigers22.510.906
GEddie Läck6'51961988Chicago Wolves92.930.903
GJacob Markström6'61951990San Antonio Rampage53.620.880
GCristopher Nihlstorp6'41841984Texas Stars73.200.870
GMagnus Hellberg*6'51961991Milwaukee Admirals34.340.838
GMark Owuya6'21981989Toronto Marlies23.550.833

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11-15-2012, 02:11 PM
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Nyquist is off with a flying start, and Cehlin being the best rookie so far!

Not so many points from the Binghamton-swedes yet, allthough Binghamton as a team hasn't had too many goals either...


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11-16-2012, 05:38 AM
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Nyquist is off with a flying start, and Cehlin being the best rookie so far!

Not so many points from the Binghamton-swedes yet, allthough Binghamton as a team hasn't had too many goals either...
Tough for teams to get many goals when key players doesn't produce.

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11-16-2012, 06:26 AM
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Tough for teams to get many goals when key players doesn't produce.
True . And the opposite generally applies as well when looking at individual players. Easier to score if you play with skilled players...

Now, Silfverbergs' 6 points makes him share the first spot in Binghamtom, whereas he wouldn't make the top ten in some other teams. So how would you rate his AHL start?

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11-16-2012, 06:38 AM
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Almqvist doesn't count as a rookie because he's played in over 100 SEL games(the rookie eligibility rules say maximum 100 elite league games), yet they do list Cehlin as a rookie(who has 152), Bång however(only has 90) is counted and should be fine as a rookie despite being 25. Weird rules.

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True . And the opposite generally applies as well when looking at individual players. Easier to score if you play with skilled players...

Now, Silfverbergs' 6 points makes him share the first spot in Binghamtom, whereas he wouldn't make the top ten in some other teams. So how would you rate his AHL start?
I think Silfverberg has been a bit underwhelming, but as you point out, haven't really gotten a fair shake at playing with some of the top playmaking forwards on the team.

Lately he's been with career minor leaguers but strangely enough played his best hockey. Both Silfver and Mika are generating shots, though, so the goals will come eventually, even though many of them are from long range or not really prime scoring chances.

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11-16-2012, 06:59 AM
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I think Silfverberg has been a bit underwhelming, but as you point out, haven't really gotten a fair shake at playing with some of the top playmaking forwards on the team.

Lately he's been with career minor leaguers but strangely enough played his best hockey. Both Silfver and Mika are generating shots, though, so the goals will come eventually, even though many of them are from long range or not really prime scoring chances.
I only watched B-sens early on and Silfver looked really slow. Has this been the case lately aswell or has his speed adjusted by now?

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11-16-2012, 07:35 AM
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Almqvist doesn't count as a rookie because he's played in over 100 SEL games(the rookie eligibility rules say maximum 100 elite league games), yet they do list Cehlin as a rookie(who has 152), Bång however(only has 90) is counted and should be fine as a rookie despite being 25. Weird rules.
Are you sure that's the reason? Almqvist did have a few games with the Grand Rapids in the regular season 11/12.

If just counting SEL games, heck, Silfverberg must have closer to 200 and is still counted as rookie...!

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I think Silfverberg has been a bit underwhelming, but as you point out, haven't really gotten a fair shake at playing with some of the top playmaking forwards on the team.

Lately he's been with career minor leaguers but strangely enough played his best hockey. Both Silfver and Mika are generating shots, though, so the goals will come eventually, even though many of them are from long range or not really prime scoring chances.
Well, if Mika doesn't score soon, he just might be judged as the decent player he is...


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Are you sure that's the reason? Almqvist did have a few games with the Grand Rapids in the regular season 11/12.

If just counting SEL games, heck, Silfverberg must have closer to 200 and is still counted as rookie...!
Whereas Silfverberg, Ekholm, etc only played in the NHL and not the AHL... Could that be the cutoff, no games in prior AHL seasons? Which in that case kind of would reflect the definition of "rookie"... as in contrast to the swedish version

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11-16-2012, 12:24 PM
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http://theahl.com/faq-p137653

Who qualifies as an AHL rookie?
To be considered a rookie, a player must not have played in a total of twenty-five (25) or more AHL and/or NHL regular-season games in any preceding seasons, nor in six (6) or more AHL and/or NHL regular-season games in each of any two preceding seasons, nor in one hundred (100) regular-season games in any European Elite League. A player who has met these qualifications but did so while playing on an amateur try-out agreement or as a signed junior will not have those games count towards his rookie status. Any player at least twenty-six (26) years of age (by Sept. 15 of that season) is not considered a rookie.

I don't know, read it as you like. Seems willy-nilly to me.

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11-18-2012, 04:22 PM
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I only watched B-sens early on and Silfver looked really slow. Has this been the case lately aswell or has his speed adjusted by now?
He's actually appeared quicker lately. I know what you mean though he did appear slow early on...probably just tentative and uncomfortable on the small ice.

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11-18-2012, 10:10 PM
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He's actually appeared quicker lately. I know what you mean though he did appear slow early on...probably just tentative and uncomfortable on the small ice.
Especially the first few strides were missing, he was getting caught more than he set himself free I thought.

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Well, if Mika doesn't score soon, he just might be judged as the decent player he is...
Hmm.. what? Are you saying that he gets more hype than he deserves? If so, I agree.

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He's actually appeared quicker lately. I know what you mean though he did appear slow early on...probably just tentative and uncomfortable on the small ice.
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Especially the first few strides were missing, he was getting caught more than he set himself free I thought.
Agree with you guys. He was caught taking too much time a lot early on as well.

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Skaters
PosNameHtWtBornTeamGPGAPtsPIM+/-
RWGustav Nyquist5'111851989Grand Rapids Griffins198111910+3
CMarcus Krüger5'111721990Rockford Icehogs214111522+1
DDavid Rundblad6'21901990Portland Pirates19411154-2
RWJohan Larsson*5'111981992Houston Aeros20671316-2
DOliver Ekman Larsson6'21901991Portland Pirates13581320+5
DTim Erixon6'31991991Springfield Falcons20491322+8
LWMagnus Pääjärvi6'22041991Oklahoma City Barons20211136-3
CJacob Josefson6'11901991Albany Devils18841212+6
CJohan Sundström*6'21951992Bridgeport Sound Tigers2066128+2
RWPatrik Cehlin*5'111761991Milwaukee Admirals17571210-1
RWJakob Silfverberg*6'01971990Binghamton Senators1857122+1
DErik Gustafsson5'101801988Adirondack Phantoms20391227-4
CJoakim Andersson6'22071989Grand Rapids Griffins18471133-5
DMattias Ekholm*6'41761990Milwaukee Admirals19471114+2
RWDaniel Bång*6'42051987Milwaukee Admirals1437106+4
DAdam Larsson6'32001992Albany Devils182810100
RWDavid Ullström6'32001989Bridgeport Sound Tigers133696+4
LWJohn Persson*6'22151992Bridgeport Sound Tigers20538110
DAdam Almqvist5'111731991Grand Rapids Griffins1626810+4
FAnton Rödin6'11801990Chicago Wolves161786+1
LWCarl Klingberg6'32141991St. John's Icecaps185276+2
LWMattias Tedenby5'101751990Albany Devils154376-5
CMika Zibanejad*6'22001993Binghamton Senators161674-3
RWAndre Petersson5'91771990Binghamton Senators1723516-7
CVictor Rask**6'11951993Charlotte Checkers101450+7
DHampus Lindholm*6'31951994Norfolk Admirals171458+2
DFredrik Claesson*6'02051992Binghamton Senators1605524+2
DJonas Brodin*6'11801993Houston Aeros82244+2
RWSebastian Wännström6'11801991Peoria Rivermen161234-6
DAlexander Urbom6'52151990Albany Devils1303315-2
DPatrik Nemeth*6'42331992Texas Stars1603318+3
CMattias Sjögren6'32191987Herchey Bears121122-5
CAnton Lander6'01941991Oklahoma City Barons1610180
DPeter Andersson6'41991991Chicago Wolves90116+1
DKlas Dahlbeck6'21941991Rockford Icehogs160006+4

Goalies
PosNameHtWtBornTeamGPGAASV%
GRobin Lehner6'42131991Binghamton Senators121.630.950
GNiklas Svedberg*6'11761989Providence Bruins142.390.920
GCristopher Nihlstorp6'41841984Texas Stars142.490.904
GJacob Markström6'61951990San Antonio Rampage113.000.902
GEddie Läck6'51961988Chicago Wolves133.000.899
GAnders Nilsson6'52201990Bridgeport Sound Tigers83.220.896
GMagnus Hellberg**6'51961991Milwaukee Admirals53.820.862
GMark Owuya6'21981989Toronto Marlies43.790.833

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Especially the first few strides were missing, he was getting caught more than he set himself free I thought.
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Hmm.. what? Are you saying that he gets more hype than he deserves? If so, I agree.



Agree with you guys. He was caught taking too much time a lot early on as well.
He's looked quite a bit closer to the Silfverberg from last year lately.

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12-03-2012, 06:58 PM
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Wait, Alex Urbom is 6'5"? It feels like they've added an inch here and there on others too..

It doesn't feel like Urbom has progressed that well. A couple of years ago he was close to making the Devils out of camp. Maybe shouldn't read too much into his offensive numbers though, he's never gonna be that guy at the NHL level. Pretty interesting aswell that Josefson and Larsson are #1 and #2 in team scoring with those stats.

Personally I'm most impressed by Larsson and Sundström putting up a good amount of points right away.

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Wait, Alex Urbom is 6'5"? It feels like they've added an inch here and there on others too...
True! Only listed as 6'3 in eliteprospects. Whatever it takes to get a tall defenseman I suppose...

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It doesn't feel like Urbom has progressed that well. A couple of years ago he was close to making the Devils out of camp. Maybe shouldn't read too much into his offensive numbers though, he's never gonna be that guy at the NHL level. Pretty interesting aswell that Josefson and Larsson are #1 and #2 in team scoring with those stats.

Personally I'm most impressed by Larsson and Sundström putting up a good amount of points right away.
Very impressed by Sundström as well, anyone had opportunity to see him play? Why isn't Lander scoring more by the way, he has played pretty well when I've watched him..?!

Larsson has benefited a lot from getting to play on the first line with the Aeros. Will be interesting to see what happends now that Granlund seems to be returning to ice, although Larssons game should fit in well in the AHL/NHL imo.

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Wait, Alex Urbom is 6'5"? It feels like they've added an inch here and there on others too..

It doesn't feel like Urbom has progressed that well. A couple of years ago he was close to making the Devils out of camp. Maybe shouldn't read too much into his offensive numbers though, he's never gonna be that guy at the NHL level. Pretty interesting aswell that Josefson and Larsson are #1 and #2 in team scoring with those stats.

Personally I'm most impressed by Larsson and Sundström putting up a good amount of points right away.
Maybe they mesure with the skates on?

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Very impressed by Sundström as well, anyone had opportunity to see him play? Why isn't Lander scoring more by the way, he has played pretty well when I've watched him..?!

Larsson has benefited a lot from getting to play on the first line with the Aeros. Will be interesting to see what happends now that Granlund seems to be returning to ice, although Larssons game should fit in well in the AHL/NHL imo.
I'm not too surprised Lander has turned into an offensive black hole. He was put in the NHL right away playing no offensive situations at all. Even if he was sent to AHL late in the year he missed out on a step of development. He'll probably turn it around eventually but it might take the rest of this year, and the best thing for him would be if the lockout ends so he can play a more significant AHL role.

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Silfverberg is on fire now. 22pts in 25 games.

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