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11-16-2012, 01:12 PM
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We need a Left outfielder.
Melky Cabrera perhaps?

wow...

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11-16-2012, 01:14 PM
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Melky Cabrera perhaps?

wow...
Yeah...
If anyone doubted the Blue Jays' intentions, they can put those notions to rest.
AA is going all-in.

I just worry which Melky will show up, although he is in his prime right now.

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11-16-2012, 01:20 PM
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Yeah...
If anyone doubted the Blue Jays' intentions, they can put those notions to rest.
AA is going all-in.

I just worry which Melky will show up, although he is in his prime right now.
At 8 million per year, he really doesnt have to do much to earn that contract.

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At 8 million per year, he really doesnt have to do much to earn that contract.
Yeah. My only concern with him is he's a ****ing idiot. But if he can beat the test for next season, or if he actually is a good player and doesn't really need the juice he'll be a welcome addition.

Right now you gotta believe the Blue Jays are amongst the AL favourites. Another good reliever would help, and apparently AA is still looking for yet another SP.

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I'm a Baseball newb. Are Jays at the Yankee level yet? Or just contenders?
The Yankess are actually not nearly as good as they've been in the past, so yes I would say so. I would take the Jays rotation over the Yankees for sure, assuming the trade goes through. Lineup is more balanced now too.

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Melky Cabrera perhaps?

wow...
oh wow this is actually real!??! I thought you were just mentioning a potential good fit. This is awesome, if true.

The Jays are getting stacked.

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11-16-2012, 01:41 PM
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oh wow this is actually real!??! I thought you were just mentioning a potential good fit. This is awesome, if true.

The Jays are getting stacked.
http://sports.nationalpost.com/2012/...two-year-deal/

$16M/2 years.

Suddently the Jays look stacked.

SS - Jose Reyes
3B - Brett Lawrie
RF - Jose Bautista
1B - Edwin Encarnacion
LF - Melky Cabrera
CF - Colby Rasmus
C - JP Arencibia
DH - Adam Lind
2B - Maicer Izturis

SP - Josh Johnson
SP - Ricky Romero
SP - Mark Buehrle
SP - Brandon Morrow
SP - JA Happ

very solid lineup.

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11-16-2012, 01:46 PM
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http://sports.nationalpost.com/2012/...two-year-deal/

$16M/2 years.

Suddently the Jays look stacked.

SS - Jose Reyes
3B - Brett Lawrie
RF - Jose Bautista
1B - Edwin Encarnacion
LF - Melky Cabrera
CF - Colby Rasmus
C - JP Arencibia
DH - Adam Lind
2B - Maicer Izturis

SP - Josh Johnson
SP - Ricky Romero
SP - Mark Buehrle
SP - Brandon Morrow
SP - JA Happ

very solid lineup.
Also lots of time and assets (and who knows how much more pay roll) for AA to improve them even more.

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http://sports.nationalpost.com/2012/...two-year-deal/

$16M/2 years.

Suddently the Jays look stacked.

SS - Jose Reyes
3B - Brett Lawrie
RF - Jose Bautista
1B - Edwin Encarnacion/Cooper
LF - Melky Cabrera/Davis
CF - Colby Rasmus/Gose
C - JP Arencibia/Buck/D'Arnaud/Wilson
DH - Adam Lind
2B - Maicer Izturis/Bonifacio

SP - Josh Johnson
SP - Ricky Romero
SP - Mark Buehrle
SP - Brandon Morrow
SP - JA Happ

very solid lineup.
its deep too.

I added the depth to your list.

Their Bullpen is solid too...really like Lincoln, Delabar, and Janssen...hopefully Santos is what he was advertised to be last year.

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Now that I'm feeling greedy, would like to see another starting pitcher because of the potential for injury with the rotation..

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At 8 million per year, he really doesn't have to do much to earn that contract.
True...
But what version will show up?
The middling guy who is a .250 hitter with no power and who was with the 3rd team in 3 years, or the guy who hit .346 last season and won the all-star MVP?

Plus, if he failed another one, it would be 100 games suspension.
There are certainly risks with this deal.

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Now that I'm feeling greedy, would like to see another starting pitcher because of the potential for injury with the rotation..
Ken Rosenthal (@Ken_Rosenthal) already said the Jays are looking for one more starter.
Given last year's debacle, when 3 starters went down in a span of a week, AA is probably looking at one.
Fans won't know until it happens too, because AA never reveals his hand to anybody.

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its deep too.

I added the depth to your list.

Their Bullpen is solid too...really like Lincoln, Delabar, and Janssen...hopefully Santos is what he was advertised to be last year.
The bullpen is probably what I like most about the team too.
There are some shut down types in there, and there are some good internal options (Cecil and quite possibly Happ, if AA got another starter).
If Oliver decides to pitch one more year, it gets even stronger.

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11-16-2012, 02:44 PM
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True...
But what version will show up?
The middling guy who is a .250 hitter with no power and who was with the 3rd team in 3 years, or the guy who hit .346 last season and won the all-star MVP?

Plus, if he failed another one, it would be 100 games suspension.
There are certainly risks with this deal.



Ken Rosenthal (@Ken_Rosenthal) already said the Jays are looking for one more starter.
Given last year's debacle, when 3 starters went down in a span of a week, AA is probably looking at one.
Fans won't know until it happens too, because AA never reveals his hand to anybody.



The bullpen is probably what I like most about the team too.
There are some shut down types in there, and there are some good internal options (Cecil and quite possibly Happ, if AA got another starter).
If Oliver decides to pitch one more year, it gets even stronger.
Cabrera also had a good season previous to this one with KC. And he is also heading into his prime. I believe he'll be worth full value of that contract plus more. Considering Torii Hunter got 13 million for what he did this season, Cabrera at 8 million is wonderful.

If the Jays are looking for another pitcher, Dan Haren would be a wise pickup. He'll probably be relatively cheap, and is a good candidate to have a bounceback season.

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11-16-2012, 03:20 PM
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Cabrera also had a good season previous to this one with KC. And he is also heading into his prime. I believe he'll be worth full value of that contract plus more. Considering Torii Hunter got 13 million for what he did this season, Cabrera at 8 million is wonderful.

If the Jays are looking for another pitcher, Dan Haren would be a wise pickup. He'll probably be relatively cheap, and is a good candidate to have a bounceback season.
It was a good season in 2011...
Nowhere as good as 2012, but it was a good one.
People did believe he would get about 10 on the open market, so I guess this could be considered to be a below market value deal.

I am just always weary about guys who was caught cheating.
The way he handled it also showed me that he was not too apologetic about what he did, as he vehemently denied it initially, and his people even set up a fake website to try to prove his innocence.
He eventually made things right by giving up his claim on the batting title, but I think he is pressured into doing it by all the parties involved (agents, team, Selig, etc.) to repair the damage.

Still, I do hope you are right and he has a great season, cleanly.
He is that left-handed bat that would balance a predominately right-handed lineup.
If he hit around .300, then call this deal a success.

Now I only see a 1B/ DH as the only need.

Dan Haren would be a good option, but I am pretty sure he will get at least 10 million on the free agent market.
He did not have a good season last year, but I think he was dealing with some injury issues.
The guy is a prime bounce back candidate, but I am not sure if the Blue Jays can take on another big contract.

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11-16-2012, 03:31 PM
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It was a good season in 2011...
Nowhere as good as 2012, but it was a good one.
People did believe he would get about 10 on the open market, so I guess this could be considered to be a below market value deal.

I am just always weary about guys who was caught cheating.
The way he handled it also showed me that he was not too apologetic about what he did, as he vehemently denied it initially, and his people even set up a fake website to try to prove his innocence.
He eventually made things right by giving up his claim on the batting title, but I think he is pressured into doing it by all the parties involved (agents, team, Selig, etc.) to repair the damage.

Still, I do hope you are right and he has a great season, cleanly.
He is that left-handed bat that would balance a predominately right-handed lineup.
If he hit around .300, then call this deal a success.

Now I only see a 1B/ DH as the only need.

Dan Haren would be a good option, but I am pretty sure he will get at least 10 million on the free agent market.
He did not have a good season last year, but I think he was dealing with some injury issues.
The guy is a prime bounce back candidate, but I am not sure if the Blue Jays can take on another big contract.
I wonder if there's any way the Angels would want to dump that Pujols contract?

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I wonder if there's any way the Angels would want to dump that Pujols contract?
Man...
That would be a dream scenario eh?

But $200 million...
I don't know if Rogers would be that willing to do it.

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That would be a dream scenario eh?

But $200 million...
I don't know if Rogers would be that willing to do it.
go after Greinke while they're at it

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Yeah. My only concern with him is he's a ****ing idiot. But if he can beat the test for next season, or if he actually is a good player and doesn't really need the juice he'll be a welcome addition.

Right now you gotta believe the Blue Jays are amongst the AL favourites. Another good reliever would help, and apparently AA is still looking for yet another SP.
Let's not get too ahead of ourselves, There's a lot of good teams in the AL East we have to get through let alone the entire American League.

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Let's not get too ahead of ourselves, There's a lot of good teams in the AL East we have to get through let alone the entire American League.
Health will likely play a factor in the Blue Jays success...if they can stay healthy I like our chances.

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More then anything, I like that these moves have added depth to the Jays roster. Gose, Sierra, Hutch and Drabek(once healthy) can all go and continue to work on their issues in Buffalo, and in the case of Hutch and Drabek, continue to get healthy.

I don't mind have EE/Lind working 1b. Lind looked like a completely different hitter when he came back from LV. So I'm really hoping the Jays go ahead and promote Chad Mottola to the big club and keep Dwayne Murphy the hell away from guys like Lawrie and Lind...Arencibia too

Regardless...Love seeing the Jays making these moves. Can't wait to head down to Seattle next August!

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Sounds exciting—I watched this past years baseball playoffs and found it to be surprisingly exciting.

Looks like they have a pretty solid roster too. I'm no expert but they have too many catchers? Do you think they'll move Buck for a pitcher or something?

Or are they not done on the FA market? Can you imagine if they got Greinke? Or even Marcum for the #5 starter spot.

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wouldn't be surprised to see Buck get moved as he has a decent sized contract. But he likely doesn't hold as much value as JPA. They've also got Bobby Wilson, whom they recently acquired and Travis D'arnaud, who is in AAA but one of the top prospects in the game

Long story short, i'd suggest one of Buck or Arencibia are dealt before the season starts. Logic would dictate that Toronto and Texas seem a match as far as trade partners are concerned.

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An upgrade at DH and another 2/3 starting pitcher would put them in World Series contention IMO.

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An upgrade at DH and another 2/3 starting pitcher would put them in World Series contention IMO.
Josh Hamilton and Dan Haren?

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Josh Hamilton and Dan Haren?
They dont need to take that big of a risk on Hamilton. They basically need a DH/1B. It's the easiest position to fill. Hafner or Berkman would be great options and would come cheap and short-term.

Haren is a good option to fill for them.

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Josh Hamilton and Dan Haren?
No Hamilton.
He is a great story, but the dude can't stay healthy, and he has so much baggage.
For 100 million plus, there are better options.

Haren is great, but I think he is looking for 10 million plus.
That might be too expensive.

Still, AA might have something up his sleeve.
I would not be surprised if he flips some of the Marlins guys.
The name most likely to be moved is probably Buehrle.
He was so picky about where he plays, and he is the proud owner of a bulldog, which is banned in Ontario.
Of course, this is my speculation, and everything might work out fine.

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