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11-11-2012, 09:41 PM
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Is anyone else fed up to the point where they want to show the NHL that fans care? IF the lockout isn't resolved soon I really don't want to spend a single dollar going to a game next year, and this is coming from a guy that went to 15 games last season. I'm just sick and tired of them pushing the fans around like this.
Yes you will. We all will. That's why this is happening, because they know we'll be back. You feel like this now, but once the pucks drop and the zamboni's rumble, you'll be back. We all will...

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11-12-2012, 03:47 AM
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Yes you will. We all will. That's why this is happening, because they know we'll be back. You feel like this now, but once the pucks drop and the zamboni's rumble, you'll be back. We all will...
I'm not buying tickets to one game. Not for a while. Maybe I'll get the urge again, but I bet prices will shoot up by then as they fight over dollars to control costs and manage to inflate salaries again, inflate ticket prices again and screw the entire point up again.

But not one dime from me for a long time.

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11-12-2012, 03:58 AM
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Yes you will. We all will. That's why this is happening, because they know we'll be back. You feel like this now, but once the pucks drop and the zamboni's rumble, you'll be back. We all will...
No. We ALL won't. Speak for yourself.

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11-12-2012, 10:37 AM
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No. We ALL won't. Speak for yourself.
I tend to agree with JKP. 90% of the people who say they wont return will return. The ones on a hockey msg board i would be willing to say 99% will return. Its understandable to be upset about whats going on here. However if you checking a msg board about hockey you are still wanting to see hockey played and will come back.

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I'm not buying tickets to one game. Not for a while. Maybe I'll get the urge again, but I bet prices will shoot up by then as they fight over dollars to control costs and manage to inflate salaries again, inflate ticket prices again and screw the entire point up again.

But not one dime from me for a long time.
I feel the same way.

I plan out holding out from putting a dime in the owner's pockets as long as I can.

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11-13-2012, 01:49 AM
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I'm not buying tickets to one game. Not for a while. Maybe I'll get the urge again, but I bet prices will shoot up by then as they fight over dollars to control costs and manage to inflate salaries again, inflate ticket prices again and screw the entire point up again.

But not one dime from me for a long time.
Interesting - I feel the same way. I know they care about every game lost now, but it doesn't seem that way.


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11-13-2012, 09:25 AM
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I'm not buying tickets to one game. Not for a while. Maybe I'll get the urge again, but I bet prices will shoot up by then as they fight over dollars to control costs and manage to inflate salaries again, inflate ticket prices again and screw the entire point up again.

But not one dime from me for a long time.
Ticket prices have no relationship to salaries. They charge the max they can get away with and that the market will bear regardless of salary structure.

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11-13-2012, 01:08 PM
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No, if they have a problem with it, it's either (i) bull**** or (ii) because the memo asserted falsehoods. If it is the latter, you can bet on a specific NHL response through the media.
Apparently, the memo did have some "falsehoods" but the general point was made and I think it's hurt negotiations.

But this is just another step in the drawn-out process that will shift some money from rich group "A" to rich group "B" while hurting the overall brand.

It's funny to me how some of the recent ex-players see things. I heard Mike Johnson and Jamie McLennan specifically discussing Fehr's strategic leak to TSN and then jumping to how unfair the owners are being to the players. How they are taking away players rights and contracts - you can totally see why the players have such a hate for the owners. They almost see it as the owners stealing from them.

I find it troubling that Bettman cannot seem to make a deal unless it involves a lockout. I'll get you the deal you want as long as you allow me to hold my breath as long as possible, because they will cave. And although he's right, it still feels wrong.


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Yes you will. We all will. That's why this is happening, because they know we'll be back. You feel like this now, but once the pucks drop and the zamboni's rumble, you'll be back. We all will...
I have no idea how "common" this behaviour is in labour negotiations and certainly, the media does add a lot of drama to any public labour disruption, but these guys seem to be unable to make progress to save themselves.

I wish there was a way of clearly articulating how much damage they are doing to the NHL brand and limiting its growth in non-hockey markets, in converting fringe fans that have shown some interest over the past few years.

As long as revenues continue to climb and costs are in control, most of the owners won't really care. But Gary should as he is the keeper of the brand.

Now, back to work.

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11-13-2012, 04:01 PM
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Ticket prices have no relationship to salaries. They charge the max they can get away with and that the market will bear regardless of salary structure.
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Only one problem: league revenues dictate based upon agreed percentages what the cap limits will be. So....sorry, incorrect.

But correct in that TML will charge double what NYI will because they can. Regardless, my money won't go to pay for a 15 year phenom or to redecorate Charlie's bidet.


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11-13-2012, 04:17 PM
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{MOD EDIT}

Only one problem: league revenues dictate based upon agreed percentages what the cap limits will be. So....sorry, incorrect.

But correct in that TML will charge double what NYI will because they can. Regardless, my money won't go to pay for a 15 year phenom or to redecorate Charlie's bidet.
I don't know what the numbers are, but I'm curious what the ticket prices were pre-post each lockout, league-wide. Maybe I'll google it.

I remember reading that it was cheaper to fly to Tampa and watch a Lightning game, than go to a Leafs game, which is pretty astounding.

I wonder how much the non-hockey-markets struggle for gate receipts and have to lower prices, add a bunch of incentives like free parking or free games in order to sell tickets...and how they are impacted when there's a work stoppage.

I imagine this is a relatively small percentage of overall league revenues so it's probably not that much of an impact.


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11-14-2012, 08:54 AM
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I don't know what the numbers are, but I'm curious what the ticket prices were pre-post each lockout, league-wide. Maybe I'll google it.

I remember reading that it was cheaper to fly to Tampa and watch a Lightning game, than go to a Leafs game, which is pretty astounding.

I wonder how much the non-hockey-markets struggle for gate receipts and have to lower prices, add a bunch of incentives like free parking or free games in order to sell tickets...and how they are impacted when there's a work stoppage.

I imagine this is a relatively small percentage of overall league revenues so it's probably not that much of an impact.
It is most likely Cheaper to still fly to tampa and see a game. You can fly down there usually for about 80 bucks. Then get good seats for 10 Bucks.
I never been to a leaf game so i am not sure what there seats cost. However i assume there are at least 125 for a decent non nosebleed

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I want hockey!!!

there is plenty of hockey to be watched accoring the guys on the radio. Sadly we do not live in CA. so no nhl means no hockey

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11-14-2012, 12:58 PM
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It is most likely Cheaper to still fly to tampa and see a game. You can fly down there usually for about 80 bucks. Then get good seats for 10 Bucks.
I never been to a leaf game so i am not sure what there seats cost. However i assume there are at least 125 for a decent non nosebleed
You're not getting from Toronto to Tampa for $80.

But it is probably cheaper anyway.

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Oh well, it is what it is. Just a game of chicken now.

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Oh well, it is what it is. Just a game of chicken now.
following the arm wrestling competition, gary and donald will be held underwater until one of them surrenders. points will be awarded accordingly as we work towards an agreement.

what a joke

the public posturing and the pathetic use of media and general whiny attitudes is sickening.

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So I have vowed to not to buy one single NHL product this holiday season so long as the lock out continues. Too bad we can't get everyone to do this.

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So I have vowed to not to buy one single NHL product this holiday season so long as the lock out continues. Too bad we can't get everyone to do this.
I'm with you on that not one penny.. A lot of my winter clothes are made up of a ton of NHL gear and I feel dirty wearing it out in public.

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11-16-2012, 03:33 PM
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So I have vowed to not to buy one single NHL product this holiday season so long as the lock out continues. Too bad we can't get everyone to do this.
Off topic, but....

If you could buy only American made goods this X-mas, that would help us all. Unfortunately it means no NHL gear, plasma TV's, many electronics and so on, but it would help.

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11-16-2012, 04:34 PM
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So I have vowed to not to buy one single NHL product this holiday season so long as the lock out continues. Too bad we can't get everyone to do this.
The thing about choices is that the ones that are good for you aren't necessarily good for other people.

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The thing about choices is that the ones that are good for you aren't necessarily good for other people.
While I understand that, the players, owners, and the league as a whole are shafting the fans everyday this lockout continues. A bunch of grown men crying over millions when people around the world are suffering. Therefore I will do my talking with my money.

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Off topic, but....

If you could buy only American made goods this X-mas, that would help us all. Unfortunately it means no NHL gear, plasma TV's, many electronics and so on, but it would help.
I usually try to buy local to support businesses where I live. Unfortunately some gifts are only able to be bought from companies who don't necessarily make the entire product here in the US.

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Yes. I feel honored today. I was blocked by Matt Moulson on twitter. Way to treat your fans. He was rationalizing calling Bettman and idiot because the lockout is idiotic. So it's OK for players to call Bettmann an idiot.

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So I have vowed to not to buy one single NHL product this holiday season so long as the lock out continues. Too bad we can't get everyone to do this.
I dunno, maybe I'm in the minority, but I have just come to accept these stoppages as part of the big league package. I really don't care that they aren't playing right now and I'll be happy to watch again when they get it figured out. I'll still get my kids some Isles stuff for Christmas because they like the team and like to wear the logo.

At the end of the day, I don't care enough about their fight to muster the energy to get angry. Being angry takes energy, I'd rather use the energy elsewhere.

Maybe because I have other options (like the Mooseheads with MacKinnon and Drouin, the 6+ times a week I'm in the rink with my kids, the night I play in my beer league, the great university hockey in town), but I'm happy to wait until the NHL and players get their crap sorted out and I don't feel any real animosity to boycott or anything.

Solve your crap and let me know when you're done.

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