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11-15-2012, 03:44 PM
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Lol...no no no!! I will catch these my freind!!
Ok.. you can have Nosam Dnomyar, he's better than Gretz.

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11-15-2012, 04:08 PM
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calm in all situations
I like Ballard, but let's not pretend he's calm in all situations.


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11-15-2012, 04:30 PM
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I like Ballard, but let's not pretend he's calm in all situations.

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he was talkin about tanev

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11-15-2012, 04:37 PM
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he was talkin about tanev


Yeah...then cool as ice. Should've known better than to assume a defenceman being talked about in a Ballard thread was Ballard.

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11-15-2012, 06:26 PM
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That's what makes the deal make some sense. I know you guys would rather land a top pairing guy, just like we'd rather land a guy like Doan but beggars can't be choosers. Stewart is a little younger and played well more recently, I think the Canucks would be willing to add, especially if you can throw in a RHD for the farm.

I'm not trying to sell you on someone I don't like. If you read the Canucks board, I expect Ballard to finally round out his game this season. We got a player with a lot of talent but some bad habits from playing on poor teams, the Canucks have forced him to clean those up.
I agree that beggars can't be choosers. But I can't see the Blues dealing Stewart after one bad year. I wholeheartedly believe the blues expect him to bounce back. Ballard is a good player in a bad spot, but the Blues are in need of a top pairing defenseman. I just don't see Ballard being one.

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11-15-2012, 09:02 PM
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I agree that beggars can't be choosers. But I can't see the Blues dealing Stewart after one bad year. I wholeheartedly believe the blues expect him to bounce back. Ballard is a good player in a bad spot, but the Blues are in need of a top pairing defenseman. I just don't see Ballard being one.
He's not going to be a top line player, but he definitely would be a decent second pairing left defenceman for a lot of teams.

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11-15-2012, 10:13 PM
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That's fine and I understand completely where you are coming from. However, he is not enough of an upgrade to give up Stewart. Even admitting Stewart had a bad year I'm not really willing to give him up in a trade like this. I happen to think Stewart is going to rebound. Much like I wouldn't be surprised to see Ballard play much better.
Agree 100% and was undervaluing stewart in my orig proposal, tbh...
My post was really in reply to this type of smug crap:
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Imagine that a Nucks fan trying to dump Ballard. Never seen that before.

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11-15-2012, 11:47 PM
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Stewart has more value and upside. He's proven himself already, and will only get better. No way would St. Louis consider this.

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Vancouver would need to give up more.

Even though Stewart had an off year last season, he still has great upside is one of those rare players out there who can be both an offensive and a physical threat. The Canucks could have used a guy like Stewart against Boston in the Finals.

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11-15-2012, 11:54 PM
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if you actually believe that I feel sorry for you.
Piet, Shat, Cole, Polak, Jackman, Russell (who fits in really well since coming over)

He would be their 7th guy, maybe not even as there is Chorney. Ballard is nothing more than a marginal #5 bottom pairing dman.

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11-16-2012, 12:12 AM
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He's not going to be a top line player, but he definitely would be a decent second pairing left defenceman for a lot of teams.
He would be. But we already have two guys more than capable of playing on the second pairing. Jackman and Shattenkirk were excellent together. And Kris Russell really wowed last year. His offensive numbers won't wow you, but that's not what we're asking him to do. What the Blues need is a true number 2 that we can have either play along side of Pietrangelo, or carry the defense if he were to get hurt (God help us all if that happens).

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Agree 100% and was undervaluing stewart in my orig proposal, tbh...
My post was really in reply to this type of smug crap:
Gotcha. Most rational fans realize Ballard is in a tough spot. One of those guys that needs to play more to be effective.

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11-16-2012, 02:32 AM
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Piet, Shat, Cole, Polak, Jackman, Russell (who fits in really well since coming over)

He would be their 7th guy, maybe not even as there is Chorney. Ballard is nothing more than a marginal #5 bottom pairing dman.
BS, the only dmen better than him are Piet, Shat, Polak. Ballard is so underated its laughable.

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11-16-2012, 07:28 AM
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BS, the only dmen better than him are Piet, Shat, Polak. Ballard is so underated its laughable.
Jackman has been better then Ballard the last few seasons. Cole is still unknown but we don't have to give up anything for Cole and he's about an equal risk to Ballard going into next season. So I am very content on going into next season with Cole and Steward. Also Ballard has a high cap hit for the risk. It could be Ballard is a bad fit on the Canucks or it could be Ballard isn't the same player he was in Florida and that is a risk.

The Blues simply do not have the finances to currently take the risk on Ballard improving on another team in a different system.

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11-16-2012, 10:50 AM
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He's not going to be a top line player, but he definitely would be a decent second pairing left defenceman for a lot of teams.
But we dont need a second pairing lef dman, or a third pairing. We need a top pairing, which is why this deal is a non starter.

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11-16-2012, 11:52 AM
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The most logical conclusion to this thread is that if either player is traded, each is going east.


Highly unlikely that the 1st and 2nd place teams in western conference do a deal like this with each other.

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11-16-2012, 01:57 PM
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There's been some discussion for the new CBA that would allow teams to pay part of the salary of a player they are trading to help with parity. Would that make the Blues any more amicable to the deal?

I wouldn't mind adding a pick/prospect as well as a sweetener.

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11-16-2012, 02:14 PM
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There's been some discussion for the new CBA that would allow teams to pay part of the salary of a player they are trading to help with parity. Would that make the Blues any more amicable to the deal?

I wouldn't mind adding a pick/prospect as well as a sweetener.
No, he is not what we need. We hade one of the best defenses in the league last yr and the only hole there is a top pairing left d. Ballard is not a top pairing d man, so why would we give up an asset to get him. You can say he's stuck behind two good players but the fact still remains that in the last couple yrs he has not played up to his contract.

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11-16-2012, 02:29 PM
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Ballard is much better than people give him credit for. He hasn't really got a fair shake in Van IMO

He could really help out another team but not St Louis who are stacked at D

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11-16-2012, 02:31 PM
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Can a Blues fans expalin to me why Stewart was so terrible last year?

He just seemed like a total non-factor after being a game breaker the year before

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11-16-2012, 02:36 PM
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Can a Blues fans expalin to me why Stewart was so terrible last year?

He just seemed like a total non-factor after being a game breaker the year before
Looked like lack of effort, was apparently lack of conditioning.

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11-16-2012, 02:40 PM
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Can a Blues fans expalin to me why Stewart was so terrible last year?

He just seemed like a total non-factor after being a game breaker the year before
Just seemed unmotivated, which was a problem for him in Colorado as well as he had stretches where he was just a non-factor. Didn't go to the front of the net, didn't use physical play to control the game, didn't make simple and smart plays when he had puck possession (tried to get too fancy with passing and caused a lot of turnovers or killed the rush), didn't compensate for lost ice time with reliable defensive play or try to adapt to his linemates.

Pretty much all of the things that make a power forward successful, or even a sniper who can go to the dangerous areas in front of the net he wasn't committing to and was losing ice time because of it. He just needs to want to win and want to be a big part of his team to be a better player, no one else was holding him back other than Hitchcock demanding his forwards be effective in all 3 zones.

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Ballard is much better than people give him credit for. He hasn't really got a fair shake in Van IMO

He could really help out another team but not St Louis who are stacked at D
Might be the case. Doesn't change the fact Ballard's value is low on a multi-year deal at 4.2 million.

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11-16-2012, 02:53 PM
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Stewart reminds me a lot of Kassian. Both in the good ways and in the bad.

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11-16-2012, 03:04 PM
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Stewart kind of reminds me of Rene Bourque. Can be the most dominant player when he's on his game, and a complete non factor when he's not.

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