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11-16-2012, 03:33 PM
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New Jersey proposals (mostly Tallinder)

New Jersey:
Matt D'Agostini

St Louis:
Henrik Tallinder

St Louis need defensemen and Devils have a surplus on D. Its not that Tallinder isn't good its just that we have 7 D-men who play on the exact same level as him. Dags had 46 points last year and he could play 2nd/3rd line depending where Devils place Clarkson

New Jersey:
Chad LaRose

Carolina:
Peter Harrold
Blake Coleman

Harrold was impressive during the playoffs and kept Larsson out of a spot for sometime. Carolina is a bit thin on defense.

New Jersey:
Dan Cleary

Detroit:
Henrik Tallinder

Both have had injury issues but each will fit the need of the other team. Just a simple swap.

New Jersey:
Colin Greening
Condra

Ottawa:
Tallinder

Tallinder could play second pair with Phillips or Gonchar.

And revisiting something old
New Jersey:
Hemsky

Oilers:
Tallinder
Conditional pick on games played

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11-16-2012, 03:35 PM
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Carolina deal is pretty bad, IMO.

Harrold has no value really. He's a 7th defenseman and it's not like he helps their D that much. Tallinder+ for Jokinen may be a bit better. I'm not really interested in Cleary, either, getting older and less effective. The Tallinder to Detroit has been tried over and over again, it's quite obvious the forwards they are willing to give up don't fit our needs.

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11-16-2012, 03:48 PM
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I don't think any of the forwards you've got coming back are top 6 forwards.

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11-16-2012, 03:58 PM
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Change of scenery trade:

Jeff Schultz for Henrik Tallinder.

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I have to admit I don't watch too many Devils games outside of the playoffs. I'll assume by what you've said that Tallinder is a right side d-man? We could use more of those in Vancouver. Not really nuts about trading any of our top 6 players or Hansen though. Could a deal with Raymond be worked around? he's not a bad player at all, he's a top 6 forward whose become the odd man out to a lot of Vancouver fans because of Booth and the emergence of Higgins. Real fast, very responsible defensive forward, not very physical though. Can PK and PK well. Think of him like a Marchant or Schaefer type, with a bit more offensive upside.

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I have to admit I don't watch too many Devils games outside of the playoffs. I'll assume by what you've said that Tallinder is a right side d-man? We could use more of those in Vancouver. Not really nuts about trading any of our top 6 players or Hansen though. Could a deal with Raymond be worked around? he's not a bad player at all, he's a top 6 forward whose become the odd man out to a lot of Vancouver fans because of Booth and the emergence of Higgins. Real fast, very responsible defensive forward, not very physical though. Can PK and PK well. Think of him like a Marchant or Schaefer type, with a bit more offensive upside.
I would do a Raymond/Tallinder swap.

The D'Agostini trade looks pretty good too.

Not really interested in LaRose or Cleary.

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11-16-2012, 04:23 PM
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D'Agostini for Tallinder is good value on both sides.
I'd pull the trigger on St. Louis' end.

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I have to admit I don't watch too many Devils games outside of the playoffs. I'll assume by what you've said that Tallinder is a right side d-man? We could use more of those in Vancouver. Not really nuts about trading any of our top 6 players or Hansen though. Could a deal with Raymond be worked around? he's not a bad player at all, he's a top 6 forward whose become the odd man out to a lot of Vancouver fans because of Booth and the emergence of Higgins. Real fast, very responsible defensive forward, not very physical though. Can PK and PK well. Think of him like a Marchant or Schaefer type, with a bit more offensive upside.

I'd hate to give up Tallinder, I think that even the Devils fanbase underestimates his importance to the franchise. Nonetheless, Raymond is a decent return. But, he's impeding UFA. Big problem

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As a detroit fan, I'd do that.

What about an expansion, include Kindl and Tedenby?

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Carolina I started as having Jokinen for tallinder + but didn't know the plus

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Once again the Oilers want nothing to do with Tallinder and it would cost more then Tallinder to get Hemsky.

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Once again the Oilers want nothing to do with Tallinder and it would cost more then Tallinder to get Hemsky.
Well we want nothing to do with Hemsky !

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I would do that Detroit deal in a second and I'm one of the few believers in Cleary

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I don't think any of the forwards you've got coming back are top 6 forwards.
They are more second/third line tweeners.

Raymond and D'Agostini can both play top six minutes, the best spot for them is probably third line, but it's not like they'd be awful on the top six. A lot better than an unproven Tedenby/Butler.

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They are more second/third line tweeners.

Raymond and D'Agostini can both play top six minutes, the best spot for them is probably third line, but it's not like they'd be awful on the top six. A lot better than an unproven Tedenby/Butler.
Dagostini's #'s were mostly with 3rd liners so imagining what he could do with the likes of Elias and Henrique on his line could be a 50-60 point guy

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Dagostini's #'s were mostly with 3rd liners so imagining what he could do with the likes of Elias and Henrique on his line could be a 50-60 point guy
Watched some of his goals, and he can shoot the puck.

Play him alongside Elias-Henrique and I'm curious to see what he could do. Should easily hit 20-20, especially with the way he shoots the puck.

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11-16-2012, 08:19 PM
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Dagostini's #'s were mostly with 3rd liners so imagining what he could do with the likes of Elias and Henrique on his line could be a 50-60 point guy
When he got 46 points 2 years ago, the majority of them were when he was playing with Backes and getting a lot of powerplay time. The other linemate was Sobotka, so there wasn't a ton of offensive talent, but you should expect 40-50 points from D'Agostini when given 2nd line minutes and some powerplay time.

He has good speed and a good shot, but is also responsible enough defensively to not be a liability. Our depth is too much for him, and he'd be better served on a team that can provide him with the ice time so he can succeed.

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When he got 46 points 2 years ago, the majority of them were when he was playing with Backes and getting a lot of powerplay time. The other linemate was Sobotka, so there wasn't a ton of offensive talent, but you should expect 40-50 points from D'Agostini when given 2nd line minutes and some powerplay time.

He has good speed and a good shot, but is also responsible enough defensively to not be a liability. Our depth is too much for him, and he'd be better served on a team that can provide him with the ice time so he can succeed.
He's a right wing right? Here he'd be playing alongside one of Henrique or Zajac and Kovalchuk or Elias. Unless he disappoints, then he will be playing alongside Josefson and Clarkson. I really like that deal, win-win for both sides.

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He's a right wing right? Here he'd be playing alongside one of Henrique or Zajac and Kovalchuk or Elias. Unless he disappoints, then he will be playing alongside Josefson and Clarkson. I really like that deal, win-win for both sides.
Yeah, he's natural side is the right, but he can play the left as well.

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11-16-2012, 10:23 PM
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Yeah, he's natural side is the right, but he can play the left as well.
I watched most of his goals on NHL.com, he's a real good shooter. It seems like he would fit in well with Elias and Henrique.

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I have to admit I don't watch too many Devils games outside of the playoffs. I'll assume by what you've said that Tallinder is a right side d-man?
He can play both sides, but he usually plays the left side. The Devils had a balanced defensive corps this past season, with equal numbers of defencemen of each handedness. So for each defenceman: whichever side he shoots, that's the side he usually plays. Tallinder shoots left, plays left.

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When he got 46 points 2 years ago, the majority of them were when he was playing with Backes and getting a lot of powerplay time. The other linemate was Sobotka, so there wasn't a ton of offensive talent, but you should expect 40-50 points from D'Agostini when given 2nd line minutes and some powerplay time.

He has good speed and a good shot, but is also responsible enough defensively to not be a liability. Our depth is too much for him, and he'd be better served on a team that can provide him with the ice time so he can succeed.
I like the sound of that, he could be a good complementary forward for the second line. Can he play a physical game too?

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I like the sound of that, he could be a good complementary forward for the second line. Can he play a physical game too?
No, definitely not, but I wouldn't call him soft either.

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The D'Agostini-Tallinder proposal makes a lot of sense. I like it for both teams.

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No, definitely not, but I wouldn't call him soft either.
He's like a complimentary scorer almost like a Rolston type, except he can actually hit the net. He probably won't get numbers like Rolston did in his best years, but certainly should get 20g 20a if he plays with the right guys.

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