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11-17-2012, 11:18 AM
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You know AA, if those names are being discussed in the media that definitely means that he does NOT have them on his list.
I suppose but these guys are pretty plugged in. Jays are a tight lipped organization but we still hear stuff here and there. IIRC, I remember seeing that Jays were interested in Jose Reyes and Josh Johnson at the deadline.

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Guaranteed Contracts

Jose Reyes, SS: $96MM through 2018
Mark Buehrle, SP: $52MM through 2015
Jose Bautista, OF: $43MM through 2015
Edwin Encarnacion, 1B: $29MM through 2015
Ricky Romero, SP: $23.1MM through 2015
Brandon Morrow, SP: $17MM through 2014
Melky Cabrera, OF: $16MM through 2014
Josh Johnson, SP: $13.75MM through 2013
Maicer Izturis, IF: $10MM through 2015
Sergio Santos, RP: $7.25MM through 2014
Adam Lind, DH: $7MM through 2013
John Buck, C: $6MM through 2013
Casey Janssen, RP: $3.9MM through 2013
Dustin McGowan, SP: $3.5MM through 2014
Darren Oliver, RP: $3MM through 2013
Rajai Davis, OF: $2.5MM through 2013

lind and buck = 13M per
dump that and sign Swisher
mr consistency:
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and he's a swish-hitter


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I'm a Red Sox fan and I have nothing to look forward to so I'm looking at the Jays from afar.

I like the idea of Herzog's speedball and you have a lineup who can really screw with batterys' heads. Having Boneface as the #9, then Reyes at #1 then the rotation of #2 batters you guys have. As a Red Sox fan, you just forced them to put Jarrod Salttalamachia to the trade market or 1B and put Lavarnway to Catcher. Do the Yankees re-sign Martin who has more thefts that Detroit?

Stolen bases allowed:
Salty BOS 80
Martin NYY 63
Arenciba TOR 53
Wieters BAL 51
Lobaton TB 42

Buck MIA 48

Caught stealing:
Wieters BAL 34
Arencibia TOR 22
Martin NYY 20
Molina TB 19
Salty BOS 18

Buck MIA 18

SB/SB+CS
Lavarnway BOS 2nd best in MLB (Adjusted for IP) .903
Lobaton TB 12th in MLB (Adjusted for IP) .840
Salty BOS 20th in MLB (Adjusted of IP) .816


Now stats a side, you are going to have a seriously fun team to watch. Offensively, the Jays were #6 in the league in HRs. #12 in RBI, #8 in SB. SABR stats wise the Jays were meh but with Melky this should go up. Only other flaw I can see is your batters need patience and take more walks.

If I was the manager,

LINEUP HR SB RBI AB
SS Jose Reyes S 11 40 57 642
LF Melky Cabrera S 11 13 60 459
RF Jose Bautista R 27 5 65 332
DH/1B Edwin Encarnacion R 42 13 110 542
CF Colby Rasmus L 23 4 75 565
C J.P. Arencibia R 18 1 56 347
1B/DH Adam Lind L 11 0 45 321
3B Brett Lawrie R 11 13 48 494
2B Emilio Bonifacio S 1 30 11 244

the 8,9,1,2 guys will run the pitchers into insanity, the catchers to sore arms, and set the table like crazy. If there was a need for a tweek, get a left handed bat at 1B, move Rasmus from 5th to 7th. And a 5th starter to replace Happ.

And the scary thing is, your farm system and bench could be depleted to facilitate that.

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11-17-2012, 11:47 AM
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Guaranteed Contracts

Jose Reyes, SS: $96MM through 2018
Mark Buehrle, SP: $52MM through 2015
Jose Bautista, OF: $43MM through 2015
Edwin Encarnacion, 1B: $29MM through 2015
Ricky Romero, SP: $23.1MM through 2015
Brandon Morrow, SP: $17MM through 2014
Melky Cabrera, OF: $16MM through 2014
Josh Johnson, SP: $13.75MM through 2013
Maicer Izturis, IF: $10MM through 2015
Sergio Santos, RP: $7.25MM through 2014
Adam Lind, DH: $7MM through 2013
John Buck, C: $6MM through 2013
Casey Janssen, RP: $3.9MM through 2013
Dustin McGowan, SP: $3.5MM through 2014
Darren Oliver, RP: $3MM through 2013
Rajai Davis, OF: $2.5MM through 2013

lind and buck = 13M per
dump that and sign Swisher
mr consistency:
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and he's a swish-hitter
Just did some quick math and that gives us an average of $126. I know it wont be that when you factor in Reyes and Beurhles salary only being 10m each.

Damn its good to see us having a good starting team on paper (even better if Romero can get back to where he was) and lots of good prospects in the farm.

Swisher would be a good depth move. But I still see a deal for another pitcher coming to give us five solid starters.

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11-17-2012, 11:50 AM
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Does anyone know where I can find the Romero interview from a few days ago?
http://mlb.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?topic_id=17396516

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I'm a Red Sox fan and I have nothing to look forward to so I'm looking at the Jays from afar.

I like the idea of Herzog's speedball and you have a lineup who can really screw with batterys' heads. Having Boneface as the #9, then Reyes at #1 then the rotation of #2 batters you guys have. As a Red Sox fan, you just forced them to put Jarrod Salttalamachia to the trade market or 1B and put Lavarnway to Catcher. Do the Yankees re-sign Martin who has more thefts that Detroit?

Stolen bases allowed:
Salty BOS 80
Martin NYY 63
Arenciba TOR 53
Wieters BAL 51
Lobaton TB 42

Buck MIA 48

Caught stealing:
Wieters BAL 34
Arencibia TOR 22
Martin NYY 20
Molina TB 19
Salty BOS 18

Buck MIA 18

SB/SB+CS
Lavarnway BOS 2nd best in MLB (Adjusted for IP) .903
Lobaton TB 12th in MLB (Adjusted for IP) .840
Salty BOS 20th in MLB (Adjusted of IP) .816


Now stats a side, you are going to have a seriously fun team to watch. Offensively, the Jays were #6 in the league in HRs. #12 in RBI, #8 in SB. SABR stats wise the Jays were meh but with Melky this should go up. Only other flaw I can see is your batters need patience and take more walks.

If I was the manager,

LINEUP HR SB RBI AB
SS Jose Reyes S 11 40 57 642
LF Melky Cabrera S 11 13 60 459
RF Jose Bautista R 27 5 65 332
DH/1B Edwin Encarnacion R 42 13 110 542
CF Colby Rasmus L 23 4 75 565
C J.P. Arencibia R 18 1 56 347
1B/DH Adam Lind L 11 0 45 321
3B Brett Lawrie R 11 13 48 494
2B Emilio Bonifacio S 1 30 11 244

the 8,9,1,2 guys will run the pitchers into insanity, the catchers to sore arms, and set the table like crazy. If there was a need for a tweek, get a left handed bat at 1B, move Rasmus from 5th to 7th. And a 5th starter to replace Happ.

And the scary thing is, your farm system and bench could be depleted to facilitate that.
Welcome FatCat. One of us, one of us.

I like the idea of having either Bonifacio or Izturis batting 9th line you said. We witnessed a similar set-up with Davis 9th and Gose leading off this past season. It was only for a few games but with those two on base, the entire defense had to be on their toes which adds a special dynamic to the offense.

As much as people like to say it, I'm not sure we forced many teams to deviate from their plans. The Yankees have to get creative to avoid the luxury tax next year, the Rays always penny pinch, and the Orioles...well who cares about them anyways. The only team that I could see actually "responding" is like you said, the Red Sox.

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Welcome FatCat. One of us, one of us.

I like the idea of having either Bonifacio or Izturis batting 9th line you said. We witnessed a similar set-up with Davis 9th and Gose leading off this past season. It was only for a few games but with those two on base, the entire defense had to be on their toes which adds a special dynamic to the offense.
+1 to this.

The ideal bat for the line up in this scenario IMO is Adam LaRoche, he and EE could alternate between DH and 1B while providing scary 4-5 spot power .. He'd be a bit pricey, but would be a solid addition if AA wants to spend some additional money

From there move Rasmus to the 7 spot and package Lind in a trade for some pitching depth.

On the topic of pitching depth, I'd absolutely love AA to pick up Brandon McCarthy .. A diamond in the rough IMO if he can regain his health.

Also I honestly don't see JPA getting moved until June unless the right deal comes around. With TDA having that injury ending the season last year it might be best for him to start in AAA and get his stroke back at the minor league level. If he's tearing it up, wait to bring him up until June .. That would delay his eligibility for arbitration for an additional year, correct? I'd be content with a Buck/JPA tandem to start the season.

While I'm ecstatic about this offseason so far I'd absolutely love it if AA signed LaRoche, traded Lind for some pitching depth, signed McCarthy, and added an extra arm or two to the 'pen.

Soo pumped for next season

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Olney reports that former Colorado Rockies manager Jim Tracy and former Washington Nationals manager Jim Riggleman are two of the final names being discussed for the job.

However, CBSSports.com's Jon Heyman has learned that Riggleman has yet to be contacted by the Blue Jays if the team is indeed close to making a decision.

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Guaranteed Contracts

Jose Reyes, SS: $96MM through 2018
Mark Buehrle, SP: $52MM through 2015
Jose Bautista, OF: $43MM through 2015
Edwin Encarnacion, 1B: $29MM through 2015
Ricky Romero, SP: $23.1MM through 2015
Brandon Morrow, SP: $17MM through 2014
Melky Cabrera, OF: $16MM through 2014
Josh Johnson, SP: $13.75MM through 2013
Maicer Izturis, IF: $10MM through 2015
Sergio Santos, RP: $7.25MM through 2014
Adam Lind, DH: $7MM through 2013
John Buck, C: $6MM through 2013
Casey Janssen, RP: $3.9MM through 2013
Dustin McGowan, SP: $3.5MM through 2014
Darren Oliver, RP: $3MM through 2013
Rajai Davis, OF: $2.5MM through 2013

lind and buck = 13M per
dump that and sign Swisher
mr consistency:
http://www.baseball-reference.com/pl...wishni01.shtml
and he's a swish-hitter
I'd rather get LaRoche. But either would be good.

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Article by the bleacher report on the Jays signing Greinke, I think we'd be REALLY attractive for free agents right now.

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Full piece: http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1...-al-east-title

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Welcome FatCat. One of us, one of us.

I like the idea of having either Bonifacio or Izturis batting 9th line you said. We witnessed a similar set-up with Davis 9th and Gose leading off this past season. It was only for a few games but with those two on base, the entire defense had to be on their toes which adds a special dynamic to the offense.

As much as people like to say it, I'm not sure we forced many teams to deviate from their plans. The Yankees have to get creative to avoid the luxury tax next year, the Rays always penny pinch, and the Orioles...well who cares about them anyways. The only team that I could see actually "responding" is like you said, the Red Sox.
No, not one of you. I have 2 WS rings clanging around my heart so I'm happy. (And 3 SB rings. Come on Preds step up!)

Red Sox were going to move Salty anyway they are in love with Lavarnway. Now note, I think the Jays are the #1 team in the AL East and they aren't the top team in the MLB using last years numbers. 126 million would have been 6th. But the Sox traded away the GDP of a very small Pacific nation and I can't see the Yankees staying up at 198 Million. Philly will trade too. From what I am hearing on TSN radio D'Arnaud might stay in Buffalo for the year to heal up, but the idea of dumping Lind and Buck to any one and signing Swisher would be insane.

Since the Phillies most likely will be making moves to dump salary any rumors of re-acquiring Halladay for the 5th spot? he is on the last yr of his deal, 20m for this year.

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The Jays are close to announcing their next manager. Two of the final names they discussed were Jim Tracy and Jim Riggleman.
Worth noting its "two OF the final names". It doesn't say they are the two finalists... if I am reading it right.

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You know AA, if those names are being discussed in the media that definitely means that he does NOT have them on his list.
IIRC AA was trying for JJ for awhile according to rumours

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Worth noting its "two OF the final names". It doesn't say they are the two finalists... if I am reading it right.
Yep you are.

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to sign Greinke to the six-year, $150 million deal that John Perrotto of Baseball Prospectus says he's seeking.
lets see 150 divided by 6 is...... 25 million a yr

i cant see rogers being that giving

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No, not one of you. I have 2 WS rings clanging around my heart so I'm happy. (And 3 SB rings. Come on Preds step up!)

Red Sox were going to move Salty anyway they are in love with Lavarnway. Now note, I think the Jays are the #1 team in the AL East and they aren't the top team in the MLB using last years numbers. 126 million would have been 6th. But the Sox traded away the GDP of a very small Pacific nation and I can't see the Yankees staying up at 198 Million. Philly will trade too. From what I am hearing on TSN radio D'Arnaud might stay in Buffalo for the year to heal up, but the idea of dumping Lind and Buck to any one and signing Swisher would be insane.

Since the Phillies most likely will be making moves to dump salary any rumors of re-acquiring Halladay for the 5th spot? he is on the last yr of his deal, 20m for this year.
The only rumors I've heard regarding Halladay aren't actually rumors. Mostly fan speculation. I'd love for it to happen but AA would have to get very creative to clear some salary to make it happen. Hallady is owed 20M in 2013 and a 20M option in 2014 with certain requirements for innings pitched in the previous year. Lind being one of the primary targets to go. I don't see the Jays taking on another big salary like Roy though. Maybe the Jays take a shot at him if he's a free agent next year. D'Arnaud will most likely start the year in Buffalo, and probably play a full season unless he knocks the cover off the ball, or if there's an injury to one of Buck/JP.

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No, not one of you. I have 2 WS rings clanging around my heart so I'm happy. (And 3 SB rings. Come on Preds step up!)

Red Sox were going to move Salty anyway they are in love with Lavarnway. Now note, I think the Jays are the #1 team in the AL East and they aren't the top team in the MLB using last years numbers. 126 million would have been 6th. But the Sox traded away the GDP of a very small Pacific nation and I can't see the Yankees staying up at 198 Million. Philly will trade too. From what I am hearing on TSN radio D'Arnaud might stay in Buffalo for the year to heal up, but the idea of dumping Lind and Buck to any one and signing Swisher would be insane.

Since the Phillies most likely will be making moves to dump salary any rumors of re-acquiring Halladay for the 5th spot? he is on the last yr of his deal, 20m for this year.
Phillies arent really dumping money. In fact there are looking at signing one of the FA CFers so they are actually adding to their payroll. They still wanna be competetive.

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to sign Greinke to the six-year, $150 million deal that John Perrotto of Baseball Prospectus says he's seeking.
lets see 150 divided by 6 is...... 25 million a yr

i cant see rogers being that giving
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So basically, if the Jays do sign Greinke, the only real match for them within the division would be the Rays. And that would only be half of a good match, as the Rays would be able to combat the Jays on the mound, but not so much at the plate.
Honestly, if the Jays got Greinke now, I think it would guarantee us the AL East.

A rotation of: Greinke, Johnson, Morrow, Buehrle and Romero. (Imo, it doesn't really matter where our other four pitchers pitch in the rotation. Then you look at our offense which consists of, Bautista, EE, Melky, Reyes, Lawrie, JP, etc. This team could seriously win it.

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Honestly, if the Jays got Greinke now, I think it would guarantee us the AL East.

A rotation of: Greinke, Johnson, Morrow, Buehrle and Romero. (Imo, it doesn't really matter where our other four pitchers pitch in the rotation. Then you look at our offense which consists of, Bautista, EE, Melky, Reyes, Lawrie, JP, etc. This team could seriously win it.
Lets be real, Greinke is probably not coming here.

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The Pitching staff is miles better. The offense is top 3 in the MLB. If used right, could be #1. Still the weakness of the team is plate discipline. If you can get the batters to take more balls, you have something.

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Lets be real, Greinke is probably not coming here.
Never know with this crazy off-season, who would have thought the Jays would pull this off? The Blue Jays are most likely the most attractive team for a free agent to sign with right now, not saying he'll come but he has to at least be thinking about it.

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seeing most of our players contracts expire after 2015 (except reyes), its a 3 yr run.

i doubt anyone gets more than 3 yrs who's coming next

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AA won't give Greinke the term he wants IMO

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to sign Greinke to the six-year, $150 million deal that John Perrotto of Baseball Prospectus says he's seeking.
lets see 150 divided by 6 is...... 25 million a yr

i cant see rogers being that giving
You don't know that for sure who knows what are the jays willing to spend. But if it was for roy Holiday they would spend that 20mill like nothing.

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The Pitching staff is miles better. The offense is top 3 in the MLB. If used right, could be #1. Still the weakness of the team is plate discipline. If you can get the batters to take more balls, you have something.
Random question just because you're here, what do the RedSox plan to do with 1st base? Is Loney the guy next year or are they trying to find a replacement?

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