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11-16-2012, 08:53 PM
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I guess now I'll make a pick that could be subject to some ridicule...

Even though he's not known for it, better goals per game and points per game than Burrows. In fact, about .32 goals per game over the last four seasons. A fearless shot blocker, a player that plays against top competition quite often, a great leader, tireless worker, sublime penalty killer and fine goal-scorer...

Selke: 4th (6 first place votes), 10th and 64th once

C/RW Ryan Callahan


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Next pick forthcoming...

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11-16-2012, 09:30 PM
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Next pick has quite the resume, I'll make a nice bio for him as he's one of the best Czech players in history...

7x Czech League Champion
4x Czech League "Player of the Year"
4x Czech League Playoff MVP
Czech Player of the Year 2001 (includes NHLers - won it against Jagr and Hasek)
1998 Gold Medal in the first best on best Olympics (4th on team in scoring)
3x World Championships Gold Medalist
World Championships All-Star Team
Czech Hall of Fame

8th all-time in Czech League history in points with the likes of Vladimir Ruzicka (AAA), Milan Novy (ATD), Ivan Hlinka (ATD), Jiri Lala (MLD), Vincent Lukac (MLD), etc. Would have easily been top-5 all-time had he strangely not played about 2 and a half years in Germany earlier in his career. Or had he not tried his hand at the NHL at age 34 for a season and a half.

C/LW Jiri Dopita


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11-16-2012, 09:38 PM
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Ok The Barracudas are proud to select a defensive Gem to play along side Plekanec and Hecht on my 3rd line. A career nhl +- of +118 (9 seasons) C/RW Ric Seiling.
Nice pick, was hoping to grab him again this year.

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11-16-2012, 11:52 PM
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To add some more sand paper, Pk capabilities if need be, a physical guy full of grit RW KElly Buchberger.

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11-17-2012, 12:11 AM
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The Macon Whoopee select Matthew Barnaby, RW.


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11-17-2012, 01:03 AM
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I guess now I'll make a pick that could be subject to some ridicule...

Even though he's not known for it, better goals per game and points per game than Burrows. In fact, about .32 goals per game over the last four seasons. A fearless shot blocker, a player that plays against top competition quite often, a great leader, tireless worker, sublime penalty killer and fine goal-scorer...

Selke: 4th (6 first place votes), 10th and 64th once

C/RW Ryan Callahan


Ryan Callahan seen here doing man things.

Next pick forthcoming...
Why would anybody redicule that pick? It's actually a pretty good one - he's a great roleplayer here. I had him pegged as a possible 3rd or 4th line option from the start, and with McCarty (and no Buchberger gone), he was starting to climb to the top of my pile.

The only thing I disagree with is this... He does score a little more than Burrows over the last 4 years, but he's on New York's first PP unit. I think he actually has been their leading PP goalscorer over the past 3 seasons. Burrows, on the other hand, received only spot-duty on the PP until last season when he managed to earn 2nd unit time. Why does that matter? Well, Burrows won't get much PP time with us, and I assume Callahan won't get much with you. That's going to significanty take away from Callahan's production, while it won't impact Burrows nearly as much.

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To add some more sand paper, Pk capabilities if need be, a physical guy full of grit RW KElly Buchberger.
I think I actually wanted him moer than McCarty.

Seventies had convinced me that McCarty was a better 4th liner, but I still thought Buchberger brought a little more to the table with his PK abilities. McCarty might be the best 4th liner in the draft, but that's all he can do.

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11-17-2012, 02:44 AM
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Not to pile on, but Anson Carter is not the same as Burrows at all.
tarheel is too smart to actually believe what he was saying, I'm sure.

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I guess now I'll make a pick that could be subject to some ridicule...

Even though he's not known for it, better goals per game and points per game than Burrows. In fact, about .32 goals per game over the last four seasons. A fearless shot blocker, a player that plays against top competition quite often, a great leader, tireless worker, sublime penalty killer and fine goal-scorer...

Selke: 4th (6 first place votes), 10th and 64th once

C/RW Ryan Callahan


Ryan Callahan seen here doing man things.

Next pick forthcoming...
He's got all the tools; the only questionable part is the fairly low GP total - he's still building his track record.

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Really depends, McCarty brings a different skillset than Lapointe. Lapointe was probably better as top-6 glue guy while I think McCarty were better as a physical presence on a mid-6 line. I also think that McCarty brought more leadership to the table than Lapointe did. Depending on who you already have on your team I doubt you could go wrong with either of them.
By the way, McCarty was a prime example of a player I was thinking you could have had when you took McClelland. I don't see any reason one would take McClelland over him.

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To add some more sand paper, Pk capabilities if need be, a physical guy full of grit RW KElly Buchberger.
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The Macon Whoopee select Matthew Barnaby, RW.

LOL! The two worst fighters of all-time with 150+ fights get taken within 20 minutes of eachother!

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The only thing I disagree with is this... He does score a little more than Burrows over the last 4 years, but he's on New York's first PP unit. I think he actually has been their leading PP goalscorer over the past 3 seasons. Burrows, on the other hand, received only spot-duty on the PP until last season when he managed to earn 2nd unit time. Why does that matter? Well, Burrows won't get much PP time with us, and I assume Callahan won't get much with you. That's going to significanty take away from Callahan's production, while it won't impact Burrows nearly as much.
Yeah, you're definitely right there.

Burrows has maintained a 45 ESP/season average over 522 games, while Callahan has averaged 38 over 360.

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I think I actually wanted him moer than McCarty.

Seventies had convinced me that McCarty was a better 4th liner, but I still thought Buchberger brought a little more to the table with his PK abilities. McCarty might be the best 4th liner in the draft, but that's all he can do.
Nah, you're crazy

Even in the AAA, you should only want to use Buchberger on the PK if you're desperate.

then again, we want toughness and a guy to play the PK, so... maybe we are desperate!

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11-17-2012, 04:43 AM
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Not to pile on, but Anson Carter is not the same as Burrows at all. Carter was pretty soft as I recall and an absolute zero defensively. Very one-dimensional player and he wasn't even that good at that dimension (minus the year the Sedin's made him look competent). Right-handed shooting, 30-goal winger and out of the NHL for good 12 months later in his early 30's...
He scored in the upper 20's before going to Vancouver.

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Sheffield Steelers are proud to select an offensive defenseman: Jason Woolley, D



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11-17-2012, 10:31 AM
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It's been 4 hrs. since jkrx picked so Hedberg's skipped.

Via pm Seventieslord and dreakmur select Defenseman Tom Poti.

My pick is upcoming.

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11-17-2012, 10:54 AM
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St.John's rounds out their top 6 on defense by selecting Frantisek Kaberle Sr.



Kaberle will bring a good 2 way game to the Monsters defense. He formed a solid pairing in the old Czecoslovakia with Frantisek Popisil for many years.

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11-17-2012, 11:02 AM
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I'll take D, Dana Murzyn


Big stay-at-home defender will be my #6

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darn it. thought I had mine covered.
just a moment.

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11-17-2012, 11:29 AM
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Bob Errey will be my first made up pick.

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11-17-2012, 11:32 AM
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And we'll add Muzz Patrick to our defense. Hopefully we're up to speed here.

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11-17-2012, 11:48 AM
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193 Mike Farkas - Buffalo Mugwumps - Jiri Dopita, C/LW
194 BudsBuster - Birmingham Barracudas - Kelly Buchberger, RW
195 tarheelhockey - Macon Whoopee - Matthew Barnaby, RW
196 jkrx & Hobnobs - Sheffield Steelers - Jason Woolley, D
197 Hedberg - Fort Saskatchewan Traders - SKIPPED
198 seventieslord & Dreakmur - Regina Pat Canadians - Tom Poti, D
199 tony d - St. John's Monsters - Frantisek Kaberle Sr, D
200 Bring Back Scuderi - Pittsburgh Professionals - Dana Murzyn, D
201 chaosrevolver - Belleville Bulls - On the clock

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LOL! The two worst fighters of all-time with 150+ fights get taken within 20 minutes of eachother!

They may not have been the most winningest scrappers around but they never were afraid of one, and stuck up for them selves and team mates,

I love that pic of Matty too. lol


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Fort Saskatchewan selects noted cashier robber RW Ran McDonald

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It's been 4 hrs. since jkrx picked so Hedberg's skipped.

Via pm Seventieslord and dreakmur select Defenseman Tom Poti.

My pick is upcoming.
Thanks for making the pick.

We're happy to get Poti. He has been at the top of our list since we took Mark Hardy. Poti is not the best offensive guy left, but he is close. He's probably the only offensive guy left that isn't a liabilty.

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wow, so apparently if your firefox crashes and you're in the middle of a post it actually recovers it for you!

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Via pm Seventieslord and dreakmur select Defenseman Tom Poti.
Thank you.

Just a few notes on Poti:

We knew pretty early on, that we wanted to get an offensive specialist to play on our first PP unit and the third pairing, so we wanted to be sure to take the best possible "everything but offense" guy early on (Snepsts) so that it didn't matter who we took to be a specialist next to them. As small, soft, or poor defensively as they were, Snepsts would offset their liabilities.

Then we targeted a few guys to be that specialist. My favourite choice was Vladimir Malakhov (47 adjusted points per season and a 22-minute player), and I think our third was Berard (53 adjusted points per season; simply even higher risk and potential reward). My supposed second choice (48 adj.ESPPS) is not yet taken. Dreakmur talked me out of it, and I'm fine with that.

I tell ya, Poti might have one of two best TOI profiles of all available post-expansion defensemen: He's averaged 22.72 minutes per game over 808 games, for teams that have been 12% better than average. The latter is the most impressive part. Defensemen who have been important, and for a long time, and for good teams, are kinda hard to find now. Usually this far down you're picking a guy for one of those reasons - two, if you're lucky.

As far as offense, Poti has averaged 41 adjusted points per season, so as you can see, he's not as great a producer as the guys we originally tossed around, but he's been more successful overall. He managed to fill the "specialist" role for us while also being much less of a liability for Snepsts to cover for and protect.

From the 2010 A draft:

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I don't even really like Tom Poti, but he has developed into a very solid, reliable and useful two-way defenseman since the lockout, right under our noses.

Poti has averaged 22.76 minutes per game in his career, a very solid average for 804 games. His team icetime rankings throughout his career: 4-3-3-2-2-2-2-1-2-2-2. And impressively, those last two seasons where he was a #2 defenseman, he did it for a 100+ point team. How many undrafted defensemen have made such a contribution to regular season success? Just four. Poti, and three others.

The book on Poti was that he was going to be mostly an offensive specialist, and for a while, that appeared to be coming true. But since 2003 he has been a major part of his teams' penalty kill units, and you don't eat up ES minutes like this if you're a liability. In '04, '07, '08, '09, and '10, he was either his team's top PK minute muncher, or second.

As it stands now, Poti has been on the ice for 47% of his team's PPGF, and 42% of their PPGA - this qualifies him as a special teams beast.

Just look at how he's developed in 7 years:

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a good - but not great - "offenseman". Has major and plentiful defensive lapses.. a fine puckhandler and passer. He has good vision and can spring teammates with headman passes... carries the puck with speed and disguises his intentions. He is an excellent skater... teammates take advantage of his shot for tip-ins... needs to work on his defense... He is intelligent and will keep improving... has decent size but doesn't use it well... still adding some muscle... prefers to use his stick instead of his body to do the defensive work... effortless skating style helps him handle a lot of minutes... a smart, likeable guy and a good team man, but defensive deficiencies are maddening.
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did plenty of defensive heavy lifting last season including a large PK role which curtailed his point totals... stepped up in the playoffs with 4 points and a +9 before injury... continuted evolution from renegade puckmover to conservative stay at home type... adept at eluding the initial forechecker and making a safe, simple play... exploits patient positioning and huge reach defending, but rarely uses his imposing frame as a physical deterrent... a player who always seems to have more to give...
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The smooth skating defenseman is never going to be an overly physical player, but he is not as averse to contact as some think. His drawbacks have been accepted by Bruce Boudreau and Poti has turned into a very useful defenseman who can transition up the ice well and be trusted in all situations, especially on the penalty kill. A defenseman who can lead is team in PK minutes and post respectable even strength offensive totals is not exactly easy to find.
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Good player. I have a new found respect for him recently. If we had missed out on Snepsts, one thing I would have recommended was to wait 5-6 rounds and try to get Murzyn.

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They may not have been the most winningest scrappers around but they never were afraid of one, and stuck up for them selves and team mates,

I love that pic of Matty too. lol
Yeah, I mean no one ever puts those guys out on the ice to win fights, just to show up for them... and they did that.

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Fort Saskatchewan selects noted cashier robber RW Ran McDonald
Planning a heist?

I think this was one of the top-2 best pre-merger wingers left.

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Alex Kaleta, LW

Pretty sure he has the best offensive record among pre-expansion wingers available.

And actually, it doesn't look like it's by a small margin, either.

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197 Hedberg - Fort Saskatchewan Traders - Ran McDonald, RW
198 seventieslord & Dreakmur - Regina Pat Canadians - Tom Poti, D
199 tony d - St. John's Monsters - Frantisek Kaberle Sr., D
200 Bring Back Scuderi - Pittsburgh Professionals - Dana Murzyn, D
201 chaosrevolver - Belleville Bulls - AutoSKIPPED
202 Velociraptor - Utah Grizzlies - Alex Kaleta, LW
203 Johnny Engine - St. John's Ice Caps - SKIPPED @ 6:20 PM
204 BillyShoe1721 - EHC Eisbären Berlin - SKIPPED @ 10:20 PM

205 BillyShoe1721 - EHC Eisbären Berlin - AutoSKIPPED
206 Johnny Engine - St. John's Ice Caps - AutoSKIPPED
207 Velociraptor - Utah Grizzlies - SKIPPED @ 2:20 AM
208 chaosrevolver - Belleville Bulls - AutoSKIPPED
209 Bring Back Scuderi - Pittsburgh Professionals - On the Clock until 6:20 AM
210 tony d - St. John's Monsters -
211 seventieslord & Dreakmur - Regina Pat Canadians -
212 Hedberg - Fort Saskatchewan Traders -
213 jkrx & Hobnobs - Sheffield Steelers -
214 tarheelhockey - Macon Whoopee -
215 BudsBuster - Birmingham Barracudas -
216 Mike Farkas - Buffalo Mugwumps -

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I'm pretty sure I PMed everyone skipped and on the clock.

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I'll take LW, Dave Hunter

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As there are numerous picks to be made up I'll be waiting until sometime this afternoon to make my pick as to allow others to make up their picks.

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