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11-13-2012, 09:28 PM
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Define skill. If you mean as an all around player I can see potential merit to your argument, if you mean hands or puck skills then you're talking out of your ass because Gaudreau was far more skilled in that area then Bartschi. And I don't think there is any debate about who is more skilled between Grimaldi and Bartschi.
I meant more all around. Skill I guess was a bad word. Gaudreau no doubt has more offensive talent. Grimaldi in my mind is a more rounded player. Seems to be a little more defensively aware in his own end and speed kills in any league. Both a looking like very solid prospects at the moment.

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11-13-2012, 10:36 PM
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Gaudreau named Hockey East POTW.

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BOSTON, MA -- On Monday, Hockey East announced Calgary Flames prospect Johnny Gaudreau has been named the Athletic Republic Player Of The Week.

Gaudreau scored three times in wins over No. 8 Notre Dame and No. 12 BU, including the game-winner in each of two victories over ranked opponents. Gaudreau notched his first multi-goal game of the season on Friday vs. the Fighting Irish at Conte Forum. He finished the weekend with eight shots, a +2 rating and extended his point scoring streak to nine games.

The Carney's Point, NJ native has scored seven times this season with five of those markers being game-winners. He leads the nation in that category. The 19 year-old leads Boston College in scoring with 12 points in nine games.

Gaudreau's fellow Flames prospect and Boston College teammate Bill Arnold was named one of the Hockey East Weekly Top Performers. Arnold tallied two points (1 goal, 1 assist) and a team-high +3 rating in the two-game weekend sweep of Notre Dame and BU.

Arnold sits third in team scoring with 10 points (4 goals, 6 assists) in nine games.

Boston College was named the Hockey East Team Of The Week for their outstanding performances this past weekend. The Eagles picked up two victories vs. Top-15 opponents on the week, beginning on Friday with a 3-1 win vs. No. 8 Notre Dame and followed that up with a 4-2 road win at No. 12 archrival Boston University on Sunday. BC finished the weekend 11-for-12 (91.6%) on the penalty kill.
from http://flames.nhl.com/club/news.htm?id=645489

9 game point streak, still going steady for Johnny G.

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I completely agree that Flames fans need to cool their expectations for this guy and I am a flames fan who owns a "Gaudreauby Baker" shirt.

He is a nice prospect with very good offensive skill.

Players his size are rarely successful in the NHL, those that are are the exception not the rule

If people are patient with him does he have a decent chance at being an NHLer? Yes

Is he one of the best prospects in the world? Not a chance

If Johnny Gaudreau becomes an above average second liner in the NHL, flames fans should rejoice. Excellent use of a 4th round pick.


One thing I will state is there is a massive difference between undersized players that accomplish what Johnny is at a freshman level, than those who do it later in their college careers. Gaudreau is following a Gerbe type career arc and that is an encouraging sign.
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I didn't know pointing out how players are overagers was an opinion. Clearly you didn't read all my posts.
I think you're completely bang on. Don't let the 12 year olds bother you.

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11-14-2012, 12:49 AM
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I meant more all around. Skill I guess was a bad word. Gaudreau no doubt has more offensive talent. Grimaldi in my mind is a more rounded player. Seems to be a little more defensively aware in his own end and speed kills in any league. Both a looking like very solid prospects at the moment.
Fair enough. Just terminology I guess. Gaudreau isn't particularly fast, but he is quick from what I saw. I haven't ever watched Grimaldi live, so I can't comment too much on him.

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I completely agree that Flames fans need to cool their expectations for this guy and I am a flames fan who owns a "Gaudreauby Baker" shirt.

He is a nice prospect with very good offensive skill.

Players his size are rarely successful in the NHL, those that are are the exception not the rule

If people are patient with him does he have a decent chance at being an NHLer? Yes

Is he one of the best prospects in the world? Not a chance

If Johnny Gaudreau becomes an above average second liner in the NHL, flames fans should rejoice. Excellent use of a 4th round pick.


One thing I will state is there is a massive difference between undersized players that accomplish what Johnny is at a freshman level, than those who do it later in their college careers. Gaudreau is following a Gerbe type career arc and that is an encouraging sign.
Good summary, you're right. I do think that Johnny does have that high end clip that guys like Gerbe didn't even at the college level. Time will tell though.

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Fair enough. Just terminology I guess. Gaudreau isn't particularly fast, but he is quick from what I saw. I haven't ever watched Grimaldi live, so I can't comment too much on him.
Gaudreau's best asset in his skating is his agility and how he can go side to side without hardly losing any speed.

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I fail to see a discernible pattern that favours smaller players. Are 16-20 year olds, on average, smaller than NHLers? Yeah. The average height for CHLers is more than 3 inches shorter than NHLers. You've listed a number of 5'10" and even 5'11" players. I certainly would not call them undersized in an amateur league.

And again, you have to look deeper than just stats.

Example, in 07/08, 5'6" Joe Whitney played with the highest scoring player in the NCAA, Gerbe (who has become a servicable NHLer). After Gerbe moved on to the AHL, Whitney's point total dropped from 51 to 15. Gaudreau is not riding the coattails of other players.

And again, many of them were overagers. But this is not to say all of them fit my argument. Justin Azevedo led the OHL in scoring in his last year of amateur hockey (not an overager). So indeed, there are few players who are not overagers that just couldn't find a fit in pro hockey. Obviously the majority of these listed players never amounted to anything, but a number of them, such as Ennis, who have performed well and put up good numbers at every stage in their career, have shown that they have the skill required to compensate for their lack of size.

So yes, the argument that smaller players are at a disadvantage is correct. Though this was never in question.

My proposal is that the small players who have performed at every level, who were not overagers when they led their leagues in scoring, have a fair chance of becoming everyday NHLers.
Those point totals are just indicative of a bigger issue with stats scouting. Player's that put up high point totals do not always translate that lower league success to higher league success. That's not something that's restricted to smaller players alone, but is something that exists for every player.

That's a major reason why the whole "oh he's small, so we shouldn't consider his high point total indicative of him being a good prospect" as faulty. You have to look at more than stats and look at things like linemates, how the player gets said points, talents said player has, competition, etc etc etc.

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Just finished watching the BC game tonight.

2 assists for Gaudreau. Everytime he has the puck he makes something happen. Magic hands, and vision. His assist on the game winner was a thing of beauty. This kid is special.

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He just keeps producing, he has extremely high talent.

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Would you say he might end up similar to Ennis?

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Would you say he might end up similar to Ennis?
As in production? Besides the "small" factor, I see them as different styles.

He reminds me of Pat Kane... (not saying he will be like pat kane.. just the way he plays.)

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As in production? Besides the "small" factor, I see them as different styles.

He reminds me of Pat Kane... (not saying he will be like pat kane.. just the way he plays.)
Agreed.

Tyler Ennis is just a much more "explosive" player.

Gaudreau just amazes with hockey sense and skill.

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As in production? Besides the "small" factor, I see them as different styles.

He reminds me of Pat Kane... (not saying he will be like pat kane.. just the way he plays.)
this is the most common comparison.

When Gaudreau went to Boston College Montgomery also said that Gaudreau was the most talented player to come out of the USHL in the past 10 years.

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Really???

The second he gains the weight necessary to withstand NHL defenseman he's going to lose that speed and agility that's allowed him to become an NCAA star.

I don't see it with him. It's like Toni Rajala a few years back.

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5'8. 153 lb.


Really???

The second he gains the weight necessary to withstand NHL defenseman he's going to lose that speed and agility that's allowed him to become an NCAA star.

I don't see it with him. It's like Toni Rajala a few years back.
Just like Tyler Ennis did at 157 pounds?

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You don't necessarily have to be that heavy to be effective even if you are small (Steve Sullivan, 161 pounds).

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5'8. 153 lb.


Really???

The second he gains the weight necessary to withstand NHL defenseman he's going to lose that speed and agility that's allowed him to become an NCAA star.

I don't see it with him. It's like Toni Rajala a few years back.
Mmmmm, don't think that's 100% certain. How many times have you watched him, btw?

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Mmmmm, don't think that's 100% certain. How many times have you watched him, btw?
I'll bet never, but he's an Oiler fan so it is obligatory for him to go against him.

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Gaudreau has the perfect playing style for overcoming small stature; he's incredibly shifty, quick, high IQ, and a great passer. All the traits for small players to overcome their size, he has in spades, as well as having a ridiculous skill set overall. So if anyone at that size can make the NHL then it's him.

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Gaudreau has the perfect playing style for overcoming small stature; he's incredibly shifty, quick, high IQ, and a great passer. All the traits for small players to overcome their size, he has in spades, as well as having a ridiculous skill set overall. So if anyone at that size can make the NHL then it's him.
Solid post.

He has another 3yrs (this year included) at Boston College.

With the staff at BC and Flames development coach Rich Hesketh keeping in touch, and giving diets and workout programs, he should gain some solid mass before his NHL career begins.

I could see him easily being 5'9 - 170lbs

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Just like Tyler Ennis did at 157 pounds?
God knows that Steve Sullivan never had a successful career at 161 pounds.


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Good knows that Steve Sullivan never had a successful career at 161 pounds.
Wasn't Fleury 160 through most of his playing career too?

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Another comment I have heard about Gaudreu on multiple occasions is about his vision and how he is able to see everything happening on the ice.

His lower body strength is also very good, anyone to watch him regularly would know that he does win a good share of his puck battles.

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Another comment I have heard about Gaudreu on multiple occasions is about his vision and how he is able to see everything happening on the ice.

His lower body strength is also very good, anyone to watch him regularly would know that he does win a good share of his puck battles.
It's true. I purchased a Boston College yearly pass so I can watch (lots) his games. A perfect example of his excellent vision would be the game winning assist the other night in a 4-3 BC win. He drew both defenders to him, dangled the blue line at high speed, and placed a perfect pass on the tape of his winger streaking down... This is one of many examples. I really believe he will lots of positive attention at the World Juniors this January...

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